TLIAW(II):A Rigged Deck, for a Rigged System

A very cool TL!

I'll admit, I thought you'd have Kerry asking Romney to run.

In terms of questions... How does Quebec figure into Canadian-US relations here? What are US-European relations like post-World War? What's the International League membership look like, and is it a "World War victor's club" like the OTL UN?
 
They are both "big government" parties but with different agendas. The Federalists started off as the party of national supremacy over the states, and they sort of evolved into a Northern Whig/Republican mix with more state capitalism, with a touch of Rockefellerism in later years. Their constant control of the courts basically let them do whatever with the Constitution, turning it into a blank check. They are both centrist and conservative in modern day, taking whatever changes happened in stride and improving them so they aren't as weak or wasteful.

The Whigs here are basically the Democratic-Republicans/Democrats of OTL, but less of the States Rights shtick as that came off as sort of Jeffersonish, who is known as another kind of Benedict Arnold here. They also were pseudo-populists who took votes from poor whites but acted against their interest, while claiming to oppose those elitist Federalists.

The Reform Party is basically the OTL Greenback Party, sometimes known as the Greenback Labor Party and the Labor Reform Party. They were an odd mix of OTL's usual suspects, including the Prohibitionists. They did a lot better with the common man, getting their patronage to him and were lucky poor whites and blacks rose up enough to change things, but not enough to cause a race war and discredit the suffrage movement. They later expanded from rural populism to urban quasi-socialism and later new kinds of leftism. They want to use the government to help out the common man's interest as opposed to the Federalists wanting to help out the rich man's interests.

Two elements in your story I particularly like are your Federalist driven interpretation of the Constitution, and how you made the Vice Presidency actually powerful.

For the Constitution, you have the Federalists get the maximum possible effect out of the "Necessary and Proper Clause" so that very few Amendments were ever needed. That made a lot of sense and was a good bit of detail.

What you did with the Vice Presidency was very cool. You had the position truly remain as the President of the Senate, presumably with congressional rules and court rulings strengthening and expanding that role. This real authority then allowed VPs to challenge the Prez several times, which was awesome.
 
Other than Canada I just want to see how the changes in America affect the rest of the world.

Europe is still smarting from forced decolonization. Britain is still angry at Ireland after all this time, occasionally picking fights with them or sending in their ships a little too close. France is the hemegon over most of continental Europe. German is a rather loose confederation, with Prussia being the leading member and aspirant to be the one to one day get France off their backs. Russia went from monarchy to military regency to military republican to slowly liberalizing Republic. Oil money is really helping them out when it comes to repairing infrastructure and keeping the populace content.

Most of Africa is recovering from the effects of colonialism, assisted in terms of money, infrastructure, and establishing liberal constitutions from Asia and America. Some are dealing very well, like Morocco and Nigeria, others are fighting among themselves over various issues (revenge on locally strong minorities, bad leaders who tried to seize power, etc.).

Asia has the rising hemegon of the Five-Colored Republic of China (that's the standard translation of their name) looking to overtake the Empire of Japan as the "Caretaker of the East". Japan never really needed to go conquering when it could just "suggest" to their neighbors they'll protect them from Europe in exchange for some favorable trade deals. Or, you know, you can try and fight yourselves and die. In recent years there have been protests and attempted boycotts by anti-Japanese Asians who are sick and tired of the unfair advantages Japan retains to this day.

The Social Republic India is the crown jewel in Asia when it comes to Democracy and equality, or so they say. It's fairly good, but there is the age old problem of separatists in various parts of her borders. They might ask the IL to send in some anti-guerrilla experts to help them out.

Australia had an influx of white Africans who feared (rightly or wrongly) annihilation by the black lead independent African countries. The anti-Asian immigration country was happy to receive a large influx of people, but oppose their attempts not to properly integrate into the Southern Jewel of Britain.

A very cool TL!

I'll admit, I thought you'd have Kerry asking Romney to run.

In terms of questions... How does Quebec figure into Canadian-US relations here? What are US-European relations like post-World War? What's the International League membership look like, and is it a "World War victor's club" like the OTL UN?

Quebec doesn't like America because America is much more antagonistic to France, French-things, and Catholicism. Generally they know they'll have to stick with the rest of Canada if things got hot with America. Think of it, you had the Revolutionary War, the Liberation War in the 1850's, the American refusal to assist France and Britain during the Grand European War, and the World War. All of which pitted America against the interests of Britain and France. The French and Anglo-Canadians are going to have to stand together or be hung separately.

The biggest problem in Canada is they do take unfair advantage of their far flung territories, Alaska gets the worst of it. There really isn't much of a demand back east to stop the oil and mineral payments to them, nor much of a desire to make the low-population, underdeveloped, and culturally different Alaska an equal province. They might be a problem to Canada as time goes on, if they aren't already.

The International League is a mixture of the OTL U.N. and the Non-Aligned Movement. The non-Canadian Americas plus much of Asia+many Democratic African nations. They all go discuss peacekeeping efforts, helping new countries democratize, and how to better integrate with each other while keeping national sovereignty.

Two elements in your story I particularly like are your Federalist driven interpretation of the Constitution, and how you made the Vice Presidency actually powerful.

For the Constitution, you have the Federalists get the maximum possible effect out of the "Necessary and Proper Clause" so that very few Amendments were ever needed. That made a lot of sense and was a good bit of detail.

What you did with the Vice Presidency was very cool. You had the position truly remain as the President of the Senate, presumably with congressional rules and court rulings strengthening and expanding that role. This real authority then allowed VPs to challenge the Prez several times, which was awesome.

Precedent matters a lot. OTL only John Marshall was known as the hardcore Federalizer of the Constitution, here, plenty more are willing to expand the power of the Government in accordance to Federalist principles. The Vice-Presidency is similar, with Adams and Pinckney succeeding their predecessors, and King managing to oppose the latter; in addition to a series of competent and qualified men who could successfully do their job, well the office gets a lot more prestige. If the President of the Senate want's to block the President of the United State's policies, well then the latter is kind of fucked. The VP is thus sort of a chancellor or Prime Minster, but stuck with them for 4 to 8 years.
 

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Just two questions:

Which place serves as capital city of California? And of Texas?

And I suppose Mexico and Central America are better off than OTL due to the less interventionist American policy, am I right?
 
Just two questions:

Which place serves as capital city of California? And of Texas?

And I suppose Mexico and Central America are better off than OTL due to the less interventionist American policy, am I right?

Eureka is the capital of California here, while Austin is still the capital of Texas.

Basically. The Federalists advocated a hands-off policy in South America, occasionally making contact and treaties, while the Whigs occasionally wanted land and (unofficially) sent out filibusters to try and destabilize countries (banned by the William Walker Act of 1855, named after the man who tried to take over most of the west coast with a group of miners, and who were all executed by Mexican authorities). The Reformers were mostly isolationist, and admittedly a little xenophobic about foreigners coming to take all their jobs, so relations stayed mostly cool under them.

Mexico kept their Empire for a bit longer, aka much longer, and started off their Republic where they left off the Empire, kind of corrupt but stable at least. Mexico is more or less the "boss" of Southern America, especially after expelling the European colonizers and setting themselves up as top dog and the ones who could intervene if need be, while America retained the title of odd man out along with Canada. Relations between the English-speaking Americas and the Spanish-speaking Americas are generally good, the big problem being how protectionist America is and how Southern Americans can't properly grow their economies without them taking down those anti-Free Trade borders. The Southern American states formed the original members of both the INS and IL.
 
Two questions I forgot to answer a while back:

EDIT: I notice you didn't mention that FDR broke Washington's precedent and served 3 terms.

2ND EDIT: Rankin losing to Stevenson makes her TTL's Stevenson (ran twice, lost twice).

FDR did not break Washington's precedent, he only ran in 1936 and 1940, serving 1937-1945, and did not run in 1944. I'm fairly certain the third term will never be reached by anyone ITTL and I'm hesitant to say if anyone would even consider running for it after how bad of a reaction Theodore Roosevelt had.

An yeah Rankin is kind of the Stevenson of this TL, somewhat funny considering how the actual Stevenson only ran and won a single time. :p

Oh, okay. So not everyone will be used like in a normal Shuffling... I guess that makes them a part of the "burned" cards? That'd be an interesting idea to use right there. :p

Basically. I've held to the idea this was a remix list, and not a pure shuffling. Maybe this idea will catch on? Mixing in successful and failed candidates from particularly elections into a new list? That would be cool.

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I want to thank Perhapsburg for writing "Rolling the Dice" and letting me use parts of it in the beginning, Ares96 for letting me use some of the borders from his SoaP map, and of course everyone who commented on the thread, asked questions about the story, and gave me every little bit of encouragement to continue this to the end.

Also, this will happen a little after everyone reads this, thank you for helping me reach 10,000 views!
 
Ohh, so this was the thing you wanted to use my map for. It's an amazing thing, this, although I was a bit disheartened to find Perot and Gary Johnson nominated by what was once a quasi-socialist party. But of course, this being an American party, I'm sure there remains a social democratic wing that's been waiting in the background for a few years. Sanders in 2016, mayhap?
 
Ohh, so this was the thing you wanted to use my map for. It's an amazing thing, this, although I was a bit disheartened to find Perot and Gary Johnson nominated by what was once a quasi-socialist party. But of course, this being an American party, I'm sure there remains a social democratic wing that's been waiting in the background for a few years.

T'is the fate of all left-wing parties, to run to the center. As well the fate of all outsider and reform movements, to eventually become insiders, politicians, and "corrupted" by interests and whoever is the boogeyman of the day.

Then again, you can argue Reform didn't change, but that the electorate did. Reform has retained it's traditional urban and rural electorate since it's founding, more or less. A large rise in the immigrant, environmentalist, socially conscious small business owner, and youth vote, alongside a bunch of Federalists-who-don't-trust-their-party and disgusted swing voters, have all diluted the original members. Imagine a glass of alcohol filled to a third, that has had the remaining two-thirds filled with tap water. Still the same amount of alcohol, just with a lot more water in it.

Sanders in 2016, mayhap?

I think I might update this either when all the candidates are officially announced, or right after voting ends in 2016. Maybe.
 
My favorite presidents in this whole story were Green Clay Smith and Benjamin Franklin Butler. And not just because of their awesome names. :p The imagery you created of Smith standing there with gun on his hip, surrounded by bodyguards, stating the President could go anywhere in his own damn country he pleased was just fantastic. Then having Butler as The Chessmaster, playing the long game against the Federalists and shoving states' rights right in the face of all those hypocritical crypto-slavers begging for the federal army to save them from the revolting peons was highly entertaining. The creativity shown throughout this whole TL was impressive, but those were my favorite bits.
 
Can't believe I missed this TLIAW (I generally don't read those), but awesome work done here! It's a shame that Canada wasn't welcomed into the Union's arms when they and Britain had their little tiff, but c'est la vie. I also greatly enjoyed both the Butler bit (an example of how States' Rights could/should've been endorsed IMO) and the FDR bit with the USA pushing forward against colonialism in a heel-turn from OTL's stance (despite being largely isolationist ITTL otherwise).
 
My favorite presidents in this whole story were Green Clay Smith and Benjamin Franklin Butler. And not just because of their awesome names. :p The imagery you created of Smith standing there with gun on his hip, surrounded by bodyguards, stating the President could go anywhere in his own damn country he pleased was just fantastic. Then having Butler as The Chessmaster, playing the long game against the Federalists and shoving states' rights right in the face of all those hypocritical crypto-slavers begging for the federal army to save them from the revolting peons was highly entertaining. The creativity shown throughout this whole TL was impressive, but those were my favorite bits.

What they lacked in immediate success, they made up for in personality and long term vindication. I figured that they were men whose strength lied in their personalities and cleverness, not really any kind of ideology, and that success would come from those angles. I'm glad I could use them in believable ways, which is largely what determine if they can succeed or fail in this story.

Can't believe I missed this TLIAW (I generally don't read those), but awesome work done here! It's a shame that Canada wasn't welcomed into the Union's arms when they and Britain had their little tiff, but c'est la vie. I also greatly enjoyed both the Butler bit (an example of how States' Rights could/should've been endorsed IMO) and the FDR bit with the USA pushing forward against colonialism in a heel-turn from OTL's stance (despite being largely isolationist ITTL otherwise).

Thank you! Without a real need to go out into the world, to fight evil like the Nazi's or Japanese Militarists, or rebuild a destroyed Europe who is in danger of being overrun by the Soviet, the US remains largely as it always has. A bit of a foot in South America but isolationist otherwise.

Butler, I figured, was one of the cleverest and shrewdest men to never be President. He'd either be great, a failure, or both if he ever did come into the office.

Canada has always been somewhat attached to the mother country, through thick and thin. There's probably soon sympathy felt in Britain with Alaska being Canada's Ireland, and how humiliating it would be to lose such a big part of their nation.
 
Having just read this for the second time, I just wanted to ask what inspired your party choices for the respective presidents.

I mean I can see Carter and Mondale in the Reform party, but why do you put Kerry and FDR in the same party as McCain and Teddy Rooservelt
 
Having just read this for the second time, I just wanted to ask what inspired your party choices for the respective presidents.

I mean I can see Carter and Mondale in the Reform party, but why do you put Kerry and FDR in the same party as McCain and Teddy Rooservelt

The logic was, as the Federalists are stronger in the Northeast then anywhere else, prospective politicians from the Northeast would likely be part of the Federalists.
 
I just read this yesterday, and I have to say, even with the butterfly genocide, this is a very well-written TL, and seems plausible to me.

From what I can tell, the Federalists seem to be essentially TTL's equivalent to the GOP (but with Northeastern Democrats like Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and John Kerry), while Reform is more "standard" Democrats and left-wingers.

Also, it's a shame to see Thomas Jefferson disgraced this way. While I'm not a fan of him, he did have an important influence on our nation.
 
Wilson was from Virginia - the only reason he lived in New Jersey when he ran for President was that he'd been head of Princeton University.
I was counting the state that he was elected from. Nobody would consider, say, Ronald Reagan to be an Illinois man even though that's where he was born.
 
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