TL-191: After the End

What became of Frank Kellogg and Milton Hershey ITTL? If Kellogg never founded a major corporation that popularized cereal as a breakfast food, what would most Americans eat for breakfast as of 2023?
Edit: meant Will K. Kellogg, whoops.
 
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Also, I recall it being mentioned here somewhere that Ireland was occupied during the Second Great War. How did that play out and how is that remembered in Ireland and Britain in the modern day?

I don’t remember if a lot of details were provided on what happened in Ireland during the Second Great War in the TL-191 series. Given the nature of the regime in Britain, I imagine that the British military occupation of Ireland was extremely brutal, though it did not halt partisan warfare by Irish rebels.

By 2023, the experience of Ireland under British military rule remains a source of bitterness in Ireland. There are war memorials in every Irish city and town. Ireland also has its own Remembrance Day, which was established after the end of the Second Great War to commemorate the Irish military defeat and experience under British military rule.

The experience in Ireland of initial military defeat and occupation at the hands of the United Kingdom is one reason why Ireland remains a staunch military ally of the United States, and why different postwar Irish governments worked to ensure a permanent US military presence in Ireland through both the CDS and bilateral US-Irish defense agreements.

Diplomatic relations between Ireland and the United Kingdom remain strained by 2023. There has not been any kind of reconciliation between the two nations since the end of the Second Great War. This was in contrast to the postwar diplomatic relations between Bharat and the United Kingdom, which were normalized in the late 1970s when the British agreed to the establishment of a Committee of Inquiry with the government of Bharat to investigate the atrocities and crimes that had been committed under the Coalition regime in India in the 1930s and 1940s.

Diplomatic and economic relations between Ireland and the United Kingdom are not fully normalized until the mid-2030s.
 
I don’t remember if a lot of details were provided on what happened in Ireland during the Second Great War in the TL-191 series. Given the nature of the regime in Britain, I imagine that the British military occupation of Ireland was extremely brutal, though it did not halt partisan warfare by Irish rebels.

By 2023, the experience of Ireland under British military rule remains a source of bitterness in Ireland. There are war memorials in every Irish city and town. Ireland also has its own Remembrance Day, which was established after the end of the Second Great War to commemorate the Irish military defeat and experience under British military rule.

The experience in Ireland of initial military defeat and occupation at the hands of the United Kingdom is one reason why Ireland remains a staunch military ally of the United States, and why different postwar Irish governments worked to ensure a permanent US military presence in Ireland through both the CDS and bilateral US-Irish defense agreements.

Diplomatic relations between Ireland and the United Kingdom remain strained by 2023. There has not been any kind of reconciliation between the two nations since the end of the Second Great War. This was in contrast to the postwar diplomatic relations between Bharat and the United Kingdom, which were normalized in the late 1970s when the British agreed to the establishment of a Committee of Inquiry with the government of Bharat to investigate the atrocities and crimes that had been committed under the Coalition regime in India in the 1930s and 1940s.

Diplomatic and economic relations between Ireland and the United Kingdom are not fully normalized until the mid-2030s.

I am bit surprised that Britain and Ireland haven't normalised relationships even yet almost 80 years (3 - 4 generations) after GW2 since at least I would imaginate that Ireland would benefit with trade with Britain. Even Germany and Poland have at least mostly reconcilated their relationships and Irish occupation hardly was worse than Plish occupation. So is then Northern Ireland still big issue?
 
I am bit surprised that Britain and Ireland haven't normalised relationships even yet almost 80 years (3 - 4 generations) after GW2 since at least I would imaginate that Ireland would benefit with trade with Britain. Even Germany and Poland have at least mostly reconcilated their relationships and Irish occupation hardly was worse than Plish occupation. So is then Northern Ireland still big issue?
I suppose it would also depend on how much blame and responsibility the UK government is prepared to accept. the OTL German Government fully recognizes the destruction and evil that the Nazi regime caused.

If the UK Government in this timeline isn't willing to do that, and only begrudgingly accepted Ireland's independence under the threat of military action from the US & Germany, they might not feel compelled to accept guilt at all. in that scenario, i could easily see how the Irish government would remain resentful. It's not so much the scale, it's the willingness to accept responsibility.
 
I am bit surprised that Britain and Ireland haven't normalised relationships even yet almost 80 years (3 - 4 generations) after GW2 since at least I would imaginate that Ireland would benefit with trade with Britain. Even Germany and Poland have at least mostly reconcilated their relationships and Irish occupation hardly was worse than Plish occupation. So is then Northern Ireland still big issue?

This is what I previously wrote about Northern Ireland in TTL.

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The TL-191 series shows Ireland gaining independence after the end of the First Great War with control over what would have become Northern Ireland in our world.

After the end of the Second Great War, Ireland regained its independence, and maintained control over what would have become Northern Ireland in our world. The Protestant population largely fled the north in the aftermath of the Second Great War, with most leaving for Australia or New Zealand.

By 2023, the northern regions of the Republic of Ireland are centers of shipbuilding and light industry, although these regions never fully recovered from the damage caused by the Second Great War and its aftermath. Belfast is the location of a large Irish-CDS air and naval base. The CDS air and naval base in Belfast is meant to compliment similar Irish-CDS air and naval bases located in Dublin and Cork.
 
How commonplace is terrorism ITTL compared to OTL. And, 2023, what was the deadliest terror attack in history. Also, has there been by 2250 any incidents similar to the 1995 Tokyo Sarin attacks?
 
What is Paul Robeson like in this timeline? I know he would exist because his mother's side of the family were always free, and his father escaped slavery to Philadelphia in 1860, before the POD.

The analogue to Paul Robeson in TTL was Leroy Robeson, born on a different date compared to our world. Robeson, like his counterpart from our world, was gifted academically and artistically, and also attended Rutgers. After graduating from Rutgers, and after the the end of the First Great War, Robeson moved to New York City, where he found work in the city’s growing theatrical world.

Robeson celebrated the victory of the Socialist Party in the 1920 presidential elections, and through himself into support for the party. During the 1920s, Robeson began to shift from a career as a stage actor to that of a playwright. Robeson’s plays in the 1920s, which were celebratory of Socialism, denounced racism, and promoted a future society of social and economic equality, were financially successful in an artistic medium and City that was receptive to the more idealistic forms of Socialist thought.

By the time of the Business Collapse in the early 1930s, Robeson was financially secure as a respected playwright and producer in the contrasting worlds of the left-wing network known as the Workers Theater and also on Broadway itself. Robeson is thought by US cultural historians to be the anonymous author of City of the New, a utopian novel that was published in 1931, and imagined a futuristic version of New York City where socialism has banished both economic poverty and societal prejudice. This idealistic period of Robeson’s career ended with the twin shocks of the Business Collapse and the rise of the Freedom Party in the CSA.

Leroy Robeson spent the 1930s trying to organize a political alliance in New York City across political lines against the Freedom Party and the CSA. These efforts faltered in the late 1930s, as the Socialist Party under President Al Smith adopted a policy of appeasement towards the Featherston regime and the CSA. Robeson, who did not waver in calling for a harder line by the United States, found himself alienated from a Socialist Party that seemed to have embraced the idea that Al Smith’s policies toward Featherston would avoid another Great War.

Robeson also tried to organize a political alliance to help African American refugees escape from the former CSA, only to discover that this was not a popular cause, even among the Socialist Party.

After the beginning of the Second Great War in 1941, Robeson supported efforts to mobilize New York City, particularly the artistic and theatrical worlds, behind the war effort. Robeson did not stop his attempt to bring attention to the plight of African Americans in the CSA and for the USA to accept refugees from the Freedom Party, but still found that the political establishment in New York City and Philadelphia was uninterested in his proposals to prioritize to rescue of refugees.

The revelations at the end of the Second Great War of the horrors and scale of the Destruction enraged Robeson. In 1946, Robeson, in what what would later be called the Long Letter that was carried by most newspapers in New York City, denounced the Socialist Party and the very concept of Socialism, and mocked the idea of the Socialists actually believing in equality. Robeson then retreated from public life, and would never produce another play again.

The last play that Robeson wrote, which was finished in 1959, was not performed in his lifetime, was called Alone. The play, which was taken from the accounts of different survivors of the Destruction, chronicled the gradual demise of one African American family in the former CSA under the Freedom Party, until the last member of the family delivers a furious denunciation of the Confederacy for its long list of injustices and crimes against his family and his people, while speaking directly to the audience.

Alone would not be performed onstage until 1984, four years after Robeson’s death. By 2023, it’s still considered by critics and historians to be the most depressing play in US history.
 
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Whats the legacy of the three Pashas ITTL and was it ever mentioned here if they continued making changes to the empire after both great wars?
 
I'm also curious as to the final fate of Philippe Petain, who led the French collaborationist Vichy regime in our timeline, and General Georgy Zhukov, the famous Soviet General who commanded the defence of Moscow in 1941.

Philippe Pétain never recovered physically or emotionally from the French defeat at the Battle of Verdun during the First Great War. He was unceremoniously expelled from the French Army in 1917, and died in his sleep in 1921.

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The analogue to Georgy Zhukov in TTL, of the same name, was born on a different date compared to our world. He was drafted into the Imperial Russian Army in 1914, and was killed during a Russian offensive against the Austro-Hungarians on the Eastern Front in 1916.
 
How is autism treated in ITTL by 2023, mainly in the USA, Germany, and the other ISC permanent council members?

By 2023, autism, as in our world, is treated as a spectrum disorder around the world. In most nations, those on the autism spectrum tend to be exempt from mandatory military service, though not from other forms of national service. Unfortunately, it isn’t easy for those on the autism spectrum in a world in which most nations have more conformist societies compared to our world.
 
IOTL the Baron-Cohen family is best known for the cousins Simon (research in autism specter disorder) and Sacha (Ali G, Borat, Bruno, The Dictator). How would the trajectory of a typical British-Jewish family like them look like, the fate of their common grandparents if they existed?

By 2023, the analogue to the paternal side of Sasha Baron Cohen’s family lives mostly in Australia, while the analogue to the maternal side of Sasha Baron Cohen’s family mostly lives in the Commonwealth of Zion.

There was emigration by British Jews from the United Kingdom, mostly to Australia or New Zealand, during the Interwar period, as well as after the end of the Second Great War. These waves of Jewish emigration were part of the larger waves of British emigres who left the United Kingdom in the Interwar and post-Second Great War years.

While the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition that held power in Britain in the 1930s and 1940s was not ideologically antisemitic like the regimes that governed France and Russia during this time, there were people in the Coalition, most prominently Oswald Mosley, who were antisemitic and made no strict of their dislike for Jews having any place in British society.

By 2023, there are almost no Jews living in the United Kingdom.
 
By 2023, autism, as in our world, is treated as a spectrum disorder around the world. In most nations, those on the autism spectrum tend to be exempt from mandatory military service, though not from other forms of national service. Unfortunately, it isn’t easy for those on the autism spectrum in a world in which most nations have more conformist societies compared to our world.
Speaking as someone having been diagnosed with autism, I think I can safely say I am relieved to hear this.
Philippe Pétain never recovered physically or emotionally from the French defeat at the Battle of Verdun during the First Great War. He was unceremoniously expelled from the French Army in 1917, and died in his sleep in 1921.

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The analogue to Georgy Zhukov in TTL, of the same name, was born on a different date compared to our world. He was drafted into the Imperial Russian Army in 1914, and was killed during a Russian offensive against the Austro-Hungarians on the Eastern Front in 1916.
This strikes me, strangely, as a better fate for Petain than he got in our world after he collaborated with the Fascists.

Do you have any ideas about what might have become of Pablo Picasso, the fellow who painted the mural 'Guernica' in this alternate universe?
 
Does the Netherlands still own its Caribbean territories like Aruba? When did they sell Suriname to Brazil?

Also is illegal immigration a big issue in the US in 2023?
 
How much larger is the population of the Canadian states compared to OTL’s Canada by TTL’s 2023?

By 2023, the population of the Canadian states is somewhat lower than the population of Canada in our world. This is a legacy of the First Great War and the two Canadian Rebellions, as well as the movement of Canadian Americans south of the former border after the end of the Second Great War.

The Canadian state with the highest population by 2023 is Ontario.
 
Does the Netherlands still own its Caribbean territories like Aruba? When did they sell Suriname to Brazil?

Also is illegal immigration a big issue in the US in 2023?

By 2023, the Kingdom of the Netherlands stilll controls Aruba and Curaçao.

Suriname was sold by the Netherlands to the Empire of Brazil in 1946, as the country tried to rebuild after the devastation of the Second Great War.

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By 2023, illegal immigration is not a significant political issue in the United States. The US government enforces immigration and labor laws to a stronger degree compared to our world. There are also a range of specialized programs that allow people from nearby nations to work temporarily in certain industries before returning home.
 
What became of Frank Kellogg and Milton Hershey ITTL? If Kellogg never founded a major corporation that popularized cereal as a breakfast food, what would most Americans eat for breakfast as of 2023?
Edit: meant Will K. Kellogg, whoops.

Frank Kellogg was born before the POD for the TL-191 series. Kellogg never joined the US government in TTL, and spent his career practicing law in Minnesota.

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Milton Hershey is was born before the POD for the TL-191 series. In TTL, Hershey remained apprenticed to a printer for a German language newspaper in Pennsylvania. Hershey spent his career as a journalist for several newspapers In Pennsylvania before the First Great War. After the end of the First Great War, Hershey left Pennsylvania for Wisconsin to take a job for another German language newspaper in Madison. Hershey spent the rest of his life in Wisconsin.

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By 2023, the most popular breakfast dishes in the United States have a stronger influence from traditional German cuisine compared to our world. Cereal is also less present for breakfast in TTL compared to our world.
 
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