TL-191: After the End
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Unfortunately, or fortunately, I believe it imploded and was dismembered by Bharat and Iran.
Pakistan fought a war against Bharat in the 1990s, later known as Kashmir War. The Kashmir War, in spite of its name, also involved fighting in the Middle East and East Africa that involved the allies of Pakistan and Bharat. Bharat emerged victorious in this war against Pakistan and the Ottoman Empire.
After the end of the Kashmir War, which resulted in Pakistani territorial losses to Bharat, the Pakistani military overthrew the country’s civilian government. The militarist regime in Pakistan remained in power until it collapsed in 2014. The fall of the militarist regime led to the Pakistani Dissolution, the political fragmentation of the country. The Pakistani Dissolution, and the resulting conflicts, coincided with the fragmentation of the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East, in the Ottoman Dissolution.
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After all was said and done, did any of the Pakistani successor states claim to be Pakistan, or did they try to create entirely separate identities.
In 2162, does the Republic of Bharat have any sub national monarchies, such as Hyper bad.
Out of curiosity, what was both the US’s and the international community’s official positions on the legal status of the former CSA after the dissolution of its government? Because I know that after Germany surrendered the Allies took the line that the German state seized to exist with the death of Hitler and the capitulation of its armed forces.
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Out of curiosity, what was both the US’s and the international community’s official positions on the legal status of the former CSA after the dissolution of its government? Because I know that after Germany surrendered the Allies took the line that the German state seized to exist with the death of Hitler and the capitulation of its armed forces.
Debellatio - Wikipedia
Legal status of Germany - Wikipedia
Berlin Declaration (1945) - Wikipedia
After the end of the Second Great War, the position of the US government was that the Confederate States of America had ceased to exist as a legal sovereign nation with the formal surrender of of the CS government to the USA on July 14, 1944. This position was not contested outside of the USA.
Is Nihilism - the fictional counterculture - kinda like an earlier and more popular equivalent of goth and emo subculture with OTL’s 50s Greaser culture/60s biker culture mixed in?
Similarly, what equivalents can describe statacco and fabrika punk?
Similarly, what equivalents can describe statacco and fabrika punk?
Did state governments continue to exist during the occupation of the former CSA or did the military occupational authorities hold complete sovereignty over them? Maybe as the years passed some states had provisional civilian administrations before being formally (re)admitted to the Union?
Probably they left at least mid-level official keep them jobs as long as they accepted existing realities like Allies did with Germans after WW2. USA just needed experience of Confederate officials to manage things.
The Nihilist countercultural movement that emerged in the United States and throughout the European Community in the 1970s in TTL wasn’t really analogous to either the goth or emo subcultures from our world.
In the United States, Nihilism was rooted in cynicism and pessimism about the state of the world and expectations for the future, following the destructive Fourth Pacific War. For an idea of the tone and themes of many of the Nihilist novels, poems, songs, and films from TTL, imagine a version of the film Jaws in which the shark wins.
Nihilism also had a strong influence on the genre of speculative fiction, the analogous in TTL to alternate history. The novel Doctor Lexington by Greg Bliss, with its relentlessly dystopian setting and bleak outcome, was labeled by critics and later by cultural historians as one of the best examples of Nihilist culture, even though Bliss denied that he had been influenced by Nihilism when writing the story.
Motorcycle gangs were a part of both the American and European branches of the Nihilist counterculture, although in different ways. In the United States, many motorcycle gangs associated with the Nihilist counterculture were rooted in survivalist ideas. In the European Community, many motorcycle gangs associated with the Nihilist counterculture in different countries exhibited behavior analogous to hooliganism in our world.
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Staccato doesn’t really have an exact analogue from our world. It’s also a term that critics and cultural historians gave to different artistic works, genres, and styles in the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s in TTL that weren’t necessarily related.
In the United States, Staccato subcultures have some similarities to the Beat subculture from our world, although it’s also a subculture that has elements that wouldn’t be incompatible with Objectivism from our world. Some artists and philosophers associated with Staccato subcultures promoted a lifestyle dedicated to maximizing individual wealth and happiness at the expense of any obligations to anyone else. For an idea of the tone and themes of many Staccato films, songs, novels, and poems from TTL, imagine the novels of Ayn Rand if they had been written by Hunter S. Thompson.
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Fabrika Punk is a genre of music that originated in the Russian Republic in the 1990s. It’s a genre that drew on traditional folk music, but with modern and countercultural themes. Fabrika Punk was also influenced by foreign musical genres, such as Stomp from the United States and Bossa nova from the Empire of Brazil. Fabrika Punk was also specifically influenced by Second Great War-era fashions and technology, and has an aesthetic similar to the Dieselpunk subgenre in our world.
Oh, I see.
When I read the 1970s chapter of this timeline, I assumed that Nihilism was a mix of ideas similar to 50s greasers, 60s biker gangs, goth/emo culture, and 2020s doomer culture.
One would assume with Germany as a superpower, something similar to OTL's goth/emo subcultures would emerge - but apparently not.
Interesting.
Cool.
By 2162, there are no monarchs in power within Bharat. Hyderabad was annexed by Bharat in the 2030s following a referendum.
None of the successor states claimed continuity with the former government of Pakistan after the end of the Pakistani Dissolution.
By 2023, the largest successor states in what was once Pakistan are the Republic of Balochistan, the Republic of Sindh, and the Republic of Punjab. There are also independent Pashtun states along the border with the Kingdom of Afghanistan.