David S Poepoe
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I am British and do not have a detailed knowledge of United States legislation or domestic policy in the period of this timeline. Also, this is my first timeline.
That does explain a lot.
I am British and do not have a detailed knowledge of United States legislation or domestic policy in the period of this timeline. Also, this is my first timeline.
Italy is an ally of Hungary and declares war on Romania and Serbia, but does little beyond bombing raids on Hungarian cities, and military and industrial targets. It is engaged in a low-level war with the British in British Somaliland. Mussolini really wants Hungary and Serbia to be weakened, so that his territorial ambitions in the Balkans are advanced.
Romanian and Serbian troops advance quickly on low lands but slowly on mountainous terrain. They bomb Hungarian cities, and besiege Sarajevo. The Hungarian army is riddled with dissent and opposition to the Fascist regime. Ten days after the invasion a group of anti-fascist army officers seize power in Budapest. They intend to restore civilian democracy and appoint Miklos Kallam, a moderate conservative as Prime Minister in a mainly civilian government. Hungary is declared a free and federal republic. Admiral Horthy assumes the title of President until elections can be held. Ferenc Szalasi is found hiding in a farmhouse about forty miles from Budapest and is summarily executed.
The new Hungarian government ends its alliance with Italy and appeals to the League of Nations for help in resisting aggression. The League orders a ceasefire, which is not complied with.
Eleanor Roosevelt's proposal on behalf of the United States government that a multi-national force under League of Nations command is established to resist Romanian/Serbian aggression, is met with near unanimous approval by member states. However because of opposition in the administration and by Progressive Republicans in Congress, the American contingent is limited to 2,000 men, none of whom see any miltary action. Most of the League's force is composed of contingents from Austria-Bohemia, France, Germany and Hungary.
The multi-national army advances on Serbian and Romanian territory from Hungary and Austria-Bohemia. The siege of Sarajevo is lifted. At the beginning of June, Serbia and Romania agree to a ceasefire as does Italy.
Eleanor Roosevelt sets out the policy of the United States government that the territorial integrity of all nations is preserved, and that no territorial gains are made by military aggression. This is accepted by the overwhelming majority of members of the League of Nations.
Originally posted by General Mung Beans
I'm curious why Britain and France simply crush Italy since it says the Brits are fighting the Italians in a low-level war in Somililand.
The Disability Income Act 1941 provides a regular income for adults with a disability who are not in paid employment or self-employed.
In the war in the Far East Soviet forces continue to advance against the Japanese in Manchuria and Korea. By the end of 1941 they have reached the south coast of Manchuria, and a line about 50 miles south of Seoul in Korea. They have taken the southern, Japenese half of Sakhalin and are adavancing, island by island, through the Kurile Islands. Soviet planes inflict increasingly heavy bombing damage on Japanse cities and the Soviet navy has control of the Sea of Japan. In China, Nationalist and Communist armies are advancing against the Japanese from the east and south.
In late February 1942, senior intelligence agents at the United States embassy in Tokyo make secret contact with Emperor Hirohito and Prince Takamatsu. (Of course this was not known at the time. It came to light many years later in the memoirs of the people involved and with the publication of classified Embassy papers). They told them that if the Emperor fulfils the following conditions: He ends military rule, removes General Tojo as Prime Minister, appoints a civilian Prime Minister and cabinet, promises to hold free elections when the war is over, offers the Nationalist Chinese a ceasefire, and withdraws from China; the United States government will ask the League of Nations to send a multinational armed force, which would contain up to 50,000 American troops to resist Soviet aggression. They reassure the Emperor and the Prince that the United States will get the agreement of General Chiang-Kai-Shek and the Nationalist Chinese to a ceasefire, to which they say the Communists will also agree. They also promise to give the Japanese aid for reconstruction.
The Japanese agree to these conditions except that withdrawal from China will not take place until League of Nations forces have replaced them, to which the American agents agree.
At the beginning of March, Emperor Hirohito dismisses General Tojo and places him under house arrest, appoints a civilian Prime Minister and cabinet, and announces that free and democratic elections will be held when the war is over. He announces that he and General Chiang-Kai-Shek have agreed to a ceasefire by their armed forces. Though nothing is said about the Chinese Communists.
A few days later Eleanor Roosevelt, the United States ambassador to the League of Nations, proposes to the League that, in view of these events, Japan is readmitted, that the Soviet Union is declared an aggressor and that a multinational force, which would include Japan, is assembled and dispatched to resist Soviet aggression. She says that the US administration is prepared to commit up to 10,000 troops to that force.
The League agrees to readmit Japan. There is intense debate about the multinational armed force. Britain, France and Holland agree to contribute only if Japan ends its support for independence/nationalist movements in their colonial possessions in Asia. Austria-Bohemia, Germany and Hungary agree. By the end of March a majority of nations in the League agree to contribute in men and/or arms to this force. It is also agreed that there will be no bombing of civilian inhabitated areas of Soviet cities.
In the US, Ambassador Roosevelt's commitment to an American contribution of 10,000 troops to the League of Nations armed force produces a huge row. President Vandenberg says he authorised that decision, but that figure is a hypothetical maximum. Henry Wallace resigns in protest from the administration and leads an anti-war campaign. Many Progressive Republicans are opposed. The Democrats declare that there should not be any limit set to the number of American troops sent to resist communist aggression. Henry Stimson, who by this time has joined the Democratic party, is a particularly fervent hawk.
It takes about six weeks for a multi-national force of 100,000 troops (that is excluding Japanese troops) to be assembled and sent to the Far East. (I have no idea how realistic that time period or troop numbers would be in OTL). By this time the Soviets have conquered all of Korea, except for a Japanese enclave in the south-east around the city of Pusan. In China they have taken Peking and all of northern China as far south as the river Yangtse. They also subject Japanese cities to intense bombing, including fire-bombing, and have made a bridgehead on the island of Hokkaido. They have naval superiority in the seas around Japan, and air superiority. However the Chinese, both Nationalist and Communist are adhering to the ceasefire, though the Communists are secretly receiving arms and other supplies from the Soviet Union.
In mid May a total force of about 200,000 troops, including 8,500 Americans, land at the Japanese-held enclave of Pusan in south-east Korea. However they are outnumbered by the Soviets, who have air and naval superiority. After intense fighting with heavy casualties on both sides, the Allies surrender with tens of thousands killed or injured and tens of thousands more taken prisoner. Of the American contingent, over 7,000 are killed, injured or taken prisoner.
The Soviets tell Emperor Hirohito to order his forces to surrender and admit members of the Japanese Communist party to his government. Otherwise they will totally destroy all Japanese cities by aerial and sea bombardment. Hirohito reluctantly agrees to these terms and orders the surrender of all Japanese armed forces on June 3, 1942.
Soviet forces occupy Japan. In August they impose the Treaty of Tokyo on the Japanese. The terms of which are: Hirohito is allowed to remain as Emperor, but with Soviet "advisers" and a Japanese Communist Prime Minister and majority Communist government. Soviet troops will be stationed permanently in Japan. The Japanese must withdraw from Manchuria, the southern part of Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands which are all annexed by the Soviet Union. They must give independence to Korea, in which a communist government under Kim il-Sung is installed. They must withdraw all their forces from China, and give the island of Taiwan (Formosa) to the Nationalist Chinese government. The Soviets have agreed with Chiang-Kai-Shek that they will withdraw all their troops from China. However they are still arming and supplying the Communists.
Originally posted by General Mung Beans
1. How come the LON simply ignores and leaves Japan after their first task force gets destroyed?
2. Is anyone working on the atomic bomb yet?
It was hard enough to assemble the League of Nations task force, when it was destroyed League governments had little desire to assemble a new one. Also the Japanese government did not request a new task force.
In our OTL the atomic bomb was developed during the Second World War. I do not yet know if it will be developed in this timeline.
In the United States the Democrats milk the Pusan disaster and events in the Far East for the maximum political advantage. They blame the Progressive Republican administration for losing Japan and Korea to communist Russia, because of the pacifists or near pacifists in that party. A Democratic president would have committed as many troops as necessary to the League task force. Many, probably most, Progressive Republicans were opposed to American involvement in the task force.
The Public Housing Act 1942 provides for a forty-year program of low-rent urban housing, slum clearance, rural housing and federal aid for private projects. Senator Robert Taft, a co-sponsor of the act, said that "private enterprise has never provided necessary housing for the lowest income groups." (See this article from 1947- http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=471263 - for information about the Wagner-Ellender-Taft public housing bill and comments by Robert Taft).
In the 1942 midterm elections the Democrats win a majority in both houses of Congress. The results are as follows:
House of Representatives: Democrat 245 (+36)
Republican 183 (-33)
Socialist 7 (-3)
Senate: Democrat 49 (+2)
Republican 47 (-2)
Socialist 1.
Robert Taft is elected Senate Minority Leader by his colleagues. Alben Barkley is the new Senate Majority Leader, and Sam Rayburn is the new Speaker of the House of Representatives.
There is widespread speculation throughout 1943 and into 1944 as to whether Henry Stimson will run for nomination as Democratic candidate for President. Although born in September 1877 and therefore would be 77 years old if elected President in 1944, he has been actively attacking the administration in speeches throughout the country.
At the beginning of the 1944 election season, the other Democrats seeking their party's nomination as President are Alben W. Barkley, Huey Long and James Howard McGrath, the Governor of Rhode Island. FDR and Cordell Hull both announce that they will not run for President.
In the primaries, Huey Long does better than expected and wins states outside the South. However there are Democrats who are determined to stop him winning the nomination. On March 12 1944, while campaigning in Montgomery, Alabama, in that states Democratic primary election, Long is shot dead. Atticus Robinson, a mentally retarded black man, who is found holding a gun, is immediately seized by police and marched to the local police station. The next day he appears in the local court, obviously having been beaten up by the police. In a farce of a trial, in which he is assigned an incompetent defence attorney, he is sentenced on the same day to death by an all-white jury. With simple dignity, he asserts his total innocence of the crime. He is executed the following day. Long is buried without an autopsy being performed on his body.
Harper Lee, a student at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, is in the courtroom that day. She strongly believes that Robinson is innocent and is determined to vindicate him. Her 1955 novel To Kill a Mockingbird is closely based on the case and triggers widespread demands for a thorough and impartial investigation into the matter. At a public enquiry headed by a justice of the Supreme Court, eye
witnesses testify that they heard two or three shots coming from more than one direction and saw a man put a gun into Robinson's hands. The enquiry unanimously pronounces Atticus Robinson innocent of the murder of Huey Long, who they declare was killed by person or persons unknown.
It is still not known who murdered Huey Long, though conspiracy theories crop up regularly.
Charles McNary, the Vice-President, dies on February 25, 1944 (as in OTL). A new VP is not appointed as under the terms of the relevant amendment to the Constitution passed in 1937, if a Vice-President dies in a presidential election year, a new one is not appointed.
In the Progressive Republican party Henry Wallace is President Vandenberg's only challenger for renomination as his party's candidate for President.
In China from Autumn 1942 the Communists consolidate their position in the north and west of the country, and take over the remainder of mainland China. In September 1944 they march into Peking and the Nationalist government of Chiang-Kai-Shek flees to Taiwan.
Originally posted by General Mung Beans
how come the Japanese didn't request a new task force?
The Japanese government learns through its diplomatic contacts with major European powers that they have little interest in assembling a new task force. Also the Japanese Communist party has sympathisers in the government and civil service.
When the Democratic party convention assembles none of the candidates - Alben Barkley, James Howard McGrath or Henry Stimson - has an overall majority of delegates. There is intense debate about the advantages and disadvantages of the candidates, principally Stimson.
Stimson has many years cabinet experience and as an ex Progressive Republican (PR) is likely to attract conservative PRs and Independents. But he is 76 years old and while age is associated with wisdom, there is the danger of senility and the 'old man in a hurry' syndrome. Also if he doesn't die during his first term, it is very unlikely that he will run for reelection, so the choice of Vice President is of more than usual importance.
Barkley appeals to the Democratic party base, but less so outside the party. Also at 66 years old he is only 10 years younger than Stimson, so his candidature would not overcome the age argument.
McGrath is young (born November 28, 1903) and the governor of a northern state (Rhode Island). But maybe his opportunity will come in four years time.
After two inconclusive ballots the Stimson and McGrath camps make a deal in which the McGrath delegates vote for Stimson. In return the Stimson delegates will vote for McGrath on the first ballot for Vice Presidential candidate. Stimson also tells McGrath that if elected President he will serve for only one term. So Stimson is elected as Democratic candidate for President on the third ballot, and McGrath is chosen on the first ballot as Vice Presidential candidate.
In the Progressive Republican party, President Vandenberg comes to the convention with a commanding lead in delegates, and is elected as candidate for President on the first ballot. The contenders for Vice Presidential candidate are Harold Stassen, Robert Taft and Henry Wallace. Stassen is chosen on the second ballot.
In the election campaign the Democrats declare that they will restore honour to America, and attack the incompetence of the Vandenberg administration, whom they blame for losing China, Japan and Korea to Communism. They talk about "rolling back Communism" and embarking on a "crusade to extend freedom", without being specific about it. They accuse the Progressive Republicans of being "soft on Communism". In contrast to previous elections, they state that they will not bring back the first past the post system for congressional elections but keep the alternative vote.
In reply to questions about his age, Henry Stimson says that doctors have declared him to be in top rate physical and mental health. When asked if he will be a one term only President, he replies that is up to God and the American people.
The Progressive Republicans campaign on their record of increasing prosperity, extending social benefits and as the party of peace.
The result is as follows:
Henry Stimson/James Howard McGrath (Democrat) 410 electoral votes
Arthur Vandenberg/Harold Stassen (Progressive Republican) 121 electoral votes.
The results of the congressional elections are as follows:
House of Representatives: Democrat 262 (+17)
Progressive Republican 167 (-16)
Socialist 6 (-1)
Senate: Democrat 51 (+2)
Progressive Republican 44 (-2) (In the 1942 Senate elections they won 46 seats, not 47 as stated in my previous message).
Socialist 1
Among President-elect Stimson's cabinet appointments are Averall Harriman as Secretary of State and James Forrestal as Secretary of Defense.
Originally posted by Arkhan
Map soon?????
Originally posted by General Mung Beans
get you have a post on Europe please? You haven't had one on Europe for a while.
There's a blank map thread. Take one of those, color it in in an image program (like Paint or Photoshop), and the upload it via "Imageshack". Then click on the portrait icon in the post edit box, copy the image location into it, and then you're good.I don't know how to create maps and post them here.
In the Spring of 1945 US intelligence agents in Moscow become aware that the Soviet Union is in the early stages of developing a nuclear weapon, though as yet one has not been tested. The American ambassador informs President Stimson. After consulting with the Vice President, the Secretaries of Defense and State, and the military heads of the armed forces, he orders that top priority is given to the development by the United States of nuclear weapons. This project is to be kept secret. In this ATL it is basically similar to the Manhattan Project ( http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project ) in OTL and is given the same name by General Leslie Groves, the military head of the project (as in OTL).
However in this timeline, one of the scientists involved in the project tells a journalist working for The Nation (the leftwing weekly magazine in this timeline and in OTL) about it in January 1946, and it publishes the story.
Originally posted by Emperor Norton 1
Where's Einstein in all this?
Originally posted by rcmciii
I would really hope they get the POWs back.
I have edited the relevant post. The League of Nations task force lands at Pusan in mid to late November 1942. After its devastating defeat, Emperor Hirohito surrenders to the Soviets on December 16, 1942.The time for deploying [the expeditionary force] would be nearer six months than six weeks.
Originally posted by General Mung Beans
How come the scientists involved in the Manhattan Project told a journalist? BTW, what's happening in the European colonies in Asia and Africa?