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There were multiple long posts about the battle. ITTL it was an Anglo-US force that intercepted the Japanese. US/UK casualties were higher but they did even more damage to the Japanese than OTL.
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There were multiple long posts about the battle. ITTL it was an Anglo-US force that intercepted the Japanese. US/UK casualties were higher but they did even more damage to the Japanese than OTL.
usertron2020
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As usual in this TL, the REAL weirdness is from OTL...
I believe it was American volunteers.
Claire Chennault's 14th Air Force?
The Essex-class really can't be built much faster, since its a new design. Somewhere between March and May of 1943 is where one could expect the USS Essex to arrive in the SW Pacific.
Having been so incredibly burned in WWI, and crushed by the British, Turkey's main concern is staying out of it until the Germans are so far away that they couldn't bomb Istanbul save on a one-way suicide mission
Plus, use of the Dardenelles by wartime powers is NOT something the Turks look kindly to. OTL they didn't DoW Germany until after the surrenders of Bulgaria and Romania. On February 23, 1945. Charge!They did it (really) just to join the United Nations.
The problem with reading the Battle of Midway is that it is dispersed over long RT periods, making for difficult searches.
But its worth it. The most exciting part of this novel IMVHO. And a great story of Allied courage and mutual co-operation.1) REPORTED. For forgetting the (big) Free French Naval contingent at the Battle of Midway.
Vive L'France!You [fill-in country of origin here
] Exceptionalist!2) Just keeping you honest.
If other Allied powers can bitch about America not joining in the suffering of war, then...
Huh? Have I missed something? It's been all of three days since the last update.And just like that, it's dead again.
And just like that, it's dead again.
You know, you really need to be patient. It takes a long time to research and write the quality of updates that Astrodragon produces. It can take months, indeed a year or more. 3 days without an update does not mean the story is dead
All students of Dragon lore know that their reporoduction cycles are very slow and once laid their eggs can take centuarries to hatch so when dragon watching patience is a virtue
All students of Dragon lore know that their reporoduction cycles are very slow and once laid their eggs can take centuarries to hatch so when dragon watching patience is a virtue
Plus you need to wave lots of coffee around.
Saphroneth
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One thing I wonder is whether the way the war's going will result in - not so much a "meet in Poland" as a "Germany collapses with a lot of terrain between the Red Army and historical Germany" -that is, say, the Red Army has done the OTL 1943 offensives during the time which the Allies are making their landings... and also pushing north out of the side-switched Italy.
The practical upshot of which is that both sides need to advance into something looking increasingly like a vacuum, but the Red Army has a lot more terrain to cover before it reaches Germany...
The practical upshot of which is that both sides need to advance into something looking increasingly like a vacuum, but the Red Army has a lot more terrain to cover before it reaches Germany...
Maybe, maybe...
On the other hand, no-one expected the Allied landings on the Frisian Islands...
All I am going to say is that it will not be the same as OTL.
Artaxerxes
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Honestly Astros thread attracts replies like crap attracts flies, I cannot tell if its dead or not as it gets so many superfluous replies.
(pointless replies +1)
No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition either, but it doesn't mean they were a nice bunch. Some ideas just don't work.Maybe, maybe...
On the other hand, no-one expected the Allied landings on the Frisian Islands...
Nah, more like surströmming attracts swedes. Oh the glory days of TWHW, when even when updates came no more than a week apart you'd get half a page of useful replied and three or more pages of food-related discussions between each post.
Axis CVs
Now let's start working on Axis CVs:
Germany:
Graf Spee --- sunk in the Denmark Straits
Italy:
Not applicable
Japan:
Large Carriers
Shokaku --- body and fender shop after Midway
Zuikahu -- sunk Miday 6/42
Akagi -- sunk Midway 6/42
Soryu -- Sunk Midway 6/42
Kaga --- Sunk Midway 6/42
Hiryu --- sunk Wake Island 12/41
Light Carriers (Most sunk in either Malay Barrier ops or midway, don't have time to account for all of it yet... must reread (damn)
Tajasaki
Tsurigisaki
Ryujo
Hosho
Shoho
Taiyo
Chitose
Chiyoda
Chitose?
Now let's start working on Axis CVs:
Germany:
Graf Spee --- sunk in the Denmark Straits
Italy:
Not applicable
Japan:
Large Carriers
Shokaku --- body and fender shop after Midway
Zuikahu -- sunk Miday 6/42
Akagi -- sunk Midway 6/42
Soryu -- Sunk Midway 6/42
Kaga --- Sunk Midway 6/42
Hiryu --- sunk Wake Island 12/41
Light Carriers (Most sunk in either Malay Barrier ops or midway, don't have time to account for all of it yet... must reread (damn
) Tajasaki
Tsurigisaki
Ryujo
Hosho
Shoho
Taiyo
Chitose
Chiyoda
Chitose?
Saphroneth
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I can remember that the USN built Ticonderoga (a Yorkie) in addition to their OTL ones, if that helps, though I'm not sure if they built any CVLs.
The CVL schedule is basically as OTL, they didn't see a need as they needed large fleet carriers in the Pacific. True, the RN ones have proved useful, but they weren't invented in America...
Saphroneth
Banned
And, being fair, if the US did go all-in on CVs from 1933 onwards they could have built a pontoon bridge across the Aleutians on flight decks alone
What, not nearly as effectively as some people think it does?
I'm rereading the story from the beginning. Not only is it great, but reading it the first time round made me realize just how much of a Britscrew OTL was.
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