The Union Forever: A TL
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A question on the flag of Georgia
Ok ya'll I would like some feed back on which flag is better
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Thanks for the feedback. Also does anybody else want to claim another state?
Ok ya'll I would like some feed back on which flag is better
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#3. (Sorry about the size)
Thanks for the feedback. Also does anybody else want to claim another state?
yeah yeah, give the man a break. I think these wiki pages look awesome.
I apologize. I mostly do these sort of things for practice and am learning as I go along. I will fix this. After going through the insanity of putting together the info, putting it in the code format and patching it together with a pair of screenshot there is room for error.
I am working on the next installment (1913-1920). What would people like to see discussed? Also I have been thinking about the Temperance movement in this TL. Would/Should prohibition happen similar to OTL?
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Should it? No. Would it? All too likely. It's easy to forget how popular it was before it was tried, or the extent to which people believed it would work. (Look up the margins by which it passed Congress and the states.)
How to stop it? I can think of two ways:
(1) Decouple prohibition from women's suffrage. A big complaint of the women's rights movement was what alcoholism among men was doing to women. Let women have money and property independently of their husbands, and there's no need for the wife to prostitute herself or her children to starve on account of the hole in Daddy's face where all the money goes.
(2) Have a regional group of states — say, in the Midwest or South — jump the gun by enacting identical Prohibition laws at the state level and agree to cooperate in enforcement. The rest of the country can then watch to see what happens before trying it at the national level.
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I did not read the whole timeline, this is the first time I see it thanks to your map in "the map thread", anyway I understood that this is a great work.
And you are searching for sports, take a look in after 1900: Sports What Ifs. and maybe the future edition in some way help too Future of Sports and in wikipedia I like the List of world championships, and you can travel toevery year with the template(s) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sports_by_year_to_1850 and to every issue with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sport
And you are searching for sports, take a look in after 1900: Sports What Ifs. and maybe the future edition in some way help too Future of Sports and in wikipedia I like the List of world championships, and you can travel toevery year with the template(s) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sports_by_year_to_1850 and to every issue with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sport
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I think this approach might actually drag out Prohibition longer than IOTL. You'll have to factor in the effects of a number of hardcore drinkers choosing to pack up and move out of the Midwest or South to get away from a "dry state".
Plus, the Mafia isn't going to be able to capitalize as much on smuggling liquor into the dry states, since local law enforcement could set up checkpoints at a few of the notorious border crossings and really bring out the nasty. They wouldn't have as much reason to invest in being the chief bootleggers of a region (instead of the whole nation as in IOTL) and could decrease their willingness to take on the law. Less bootlegging leads to less crime, at least regionally, which reduces people's desire to end Prohibition.
Thanks for the links. This also makes me think about whether this TL will see a version of the olympic games or maybe just some regional versions (Commonwealth Games, Games of the Americas, etc.).
Hey everyone, sorry for the delay. I am still working on the next post (1913-1920). I appreciate everyone's support in the restarting of this timeline. It would make the updates come faster if I could get some more feedback on the following.
1) As mentioned in my state profile on Georgia the "big 4" of American sports in this timeline will be Baseball, Football (OTL soccer), Rugby, and Handball (an ATL sport somewhat similar to OTL basketball). I would like to hear some suggestions for sport team names from other cities. Also I would like to hear about a version of the Olympics and racing sports for The Union Forever TL.
2) As posted before I am trying to figure out about how to handle Prohibition. *Spoiler* As of now I am thinking that The Union Forever should have a version of prohibition and that it would happen pretty much the same as OTL. Is there any reason why the TL’s version should be different than OTL’s?
3) In OTL, WWI and WWII say many aspects of German culture being rejected in the United States. However in this TL, the Great War was against France and Germany was an ally. What influence would this have on American culture?
1) As mentioned in my state profile on Georgia the "big 4" of American sports in this timeline will be Baseball, Football (OTL soccer), Rugby, and Handball (an ATL sport somewhat similar to OTL basketball). I would like to hear some suggestions for sport team names from other cities. Also I would like to hear about a version of the Olympics and racing sports for The Union Forever TL.
2) As posted before I am trying to figure out about how to handle Prohibition. *Spoiler* As of now I am thinking that The Union Forever should have a version of prohibition and that it would happen pretty much the same as OTL. Is there any reason why the TL’s version should be different than OTL’s?
3) In OTL, WWI and WWII say many aspects of German culture being rejected in the United States. However in this TL, the Great War was against France and Germany was an ally. What influence would this have on American culture?
For sports teams: the Atlanta Rebels
For the Olympics, I guess it all depends on when they were founded. Were they founded in 1896 like OTL or later?
Well, if we have more updates on culture and society it would be easier to tell. Was there a temperance movement ITTL or any other equivalent? It prohibition being led by religious conservatives who think it's the devils brew, or by progressive liberals who think people are too stupid to drink responsibly?
Well, France and all things French would be much less Romanticized ITTL. France also wouldn't have the reputation of being cheese eating surrender monkeys, at least in the US. That title would more likely belong to the Italians ITTL. Germany, depending on how liberal or conservative it is, might take the place of France's role ITTL.
Just some recommendations;
-Miami Manatees
-Havana Peloteros (for baseball more than anything else)
-San Juan Coquis (it would be the state symbol and all
)-Richmond Marblemen (apparently "Marble Man" was Robert E. Lee's nickname; given his somewhat more positive role ITTL, I can see a sports team named after him)
-Tahlequah Braves (or some other positive reference to the Amerindians; certainly not "Redskins" of course)
Just going by my off-hand recollection of AP US History, I'm going to say no. The Temperance movement seems to largely stem from Populist/religious sentiments largely beyond the scope of the POD.
Well, for one thing one could expect a greater exposure to German cuisine, well beyond the standard beer and Brats (and boy, does that sound delicious right now
).Popular Culture is surely different. I think that in Europe did not develop very strong movie indrustry because of devastating war. Hollywood or where American movies then make probably rises earlier.
Another thing is science and specially nuclear physic. How that develops? I think that there not be nuclear weapons or these invents much later. Without Holocaust Jewish scientists stays in Europe so maybe Europe has more important role in nuclear physic.
Another thing is science and specially nuclear physic. How that develops? I think that there not be nuclear weapons or these invents much later. Without Holocaust Jewish scientists stays in Europe so maybe Europe has more important role in nuclear physic.
-Very true, I'm actually kinda hoping to see what becomes of the music scene as well (particularly in the US, although the butterflies elsewhere should prove equally interesting
).-According to the last few updates on the finished TL, the US first got the bomb in 1963, followed at some point by the UK, Russia/IEF and Germany. The maximum allotted number of weapons for each country is limited by treaty to 500 (although it wouldn't surprise me if many more times that number of weapons would be held in "semi-assembled" status...just in case).
Just some recommendations;
-Miami Manatees
-Havana Peloteros (for baseball more than anything else)
-San Juan Coquis (it would be the state symbol and all
-Richmond Marblemen (apparently "Marble Man" was Robert E. Lee's nickname; given his somewhat more positive role ITTL, I can see a sports team named after him)
-Tahlequah Braves (or some other positive reference to the Amerindians; certainly not "Redskins" of course)
Just going by my off-hand recollection of AP US History, I'm going to say no. The Temperance movement seems to largely stem from Populist/religious sentiments largely beyond the scope of the POD.
Well, for one thing one could expect a greater exposure to German cuisine, well beyond the standard beer and Brats (and boy, does that sound delicious right now
Great points. I especially like the team names. keep them coming. Cheers!
Thanks! Apologies for the few names I came up with, as a Southerner it comes easier to me to use the regional cities vice the Northern/Western ones
Another result of the more positive relationship with Germany would be greater exposure to their wines; which IMNSHO are very underrated (Riesling comes to mind).
Another result of the more positive relationship with Germany would be greater exposure to their wines; which IMNSHO are very underrated (Riesling comes to mind).
The United States: 1913-1920
1913-1920
Part 1: Post War America
The reopened Panama Canal
1914
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Purchase of Panama
The United States gained possession of the Panama Canal in 1910 after entering the war against the Entente. However, before the garrison surrendered to the invading Americans the French did a thorough job of sabotaging most of the locks rendering the canal inoperable for the rest of the war. Repair of the canal began before the war was over but would take until 1913 to be completed. The following year, President Roosevelt secured the purchase of the rest of the Panamanian isthmus, minus the Darien Jungle, from the United States of Columbia whose pro-Washington post war government was desperate for funds. Despite protestations from the Democrats over the hefty sum of the purchase, the acquisition of Panama along with the continued operation of the Nicaraguan Canal further cemented American influence over Central America.
1916 Presidential Elections
The 1916 presidential election was the first presidential election since the passage of the 15th Amendment which granted suffrage to women and ethnic minorities. The election would pit incumbents Theodore Roosevelt and Jacob R. Alexander against Democratic challengers James B. Clark of Missouri and Eugene Foss of Massachusetts. The American Socialist Party and the Temperance Party also fielded candidates in the election, neither of which garnered more than 4% of the popular vote. When the votes were finally tallied President Roosevelt easily won reelection for a second term.
James B. Clark of Missouri
1916 Democratic Canidate for President
First Transatlantic Flight
Lance Rockhill's American Eagle in Paris
December 11, 1920
On December 10-11, 1920 32 year old Lance Rockhill of Charleston, Virginia made the first nonstop transatlantic flight. Rockhill, a former Army pilot during the Great War, became an international hero after flying his airplane the American Eagle from Lincoln Field, Long Island to Paris, France where he was decorated personally be French President Marcel Ames. Coming one day after the 10 year anniversary of the end of the Great War, Rockhill’s flight seemed to embody the postwar sense of peaceful international cooperation. Furthermore, the fact that Rockhill chose to land in Paris was viewed by many as signify France’s return as a respectable member of the family of nations.
Sports in America
Baseball players
Indianapolis, Indiana 1913
As the soldiers returned from the Great War, the United States experienced what American historian John K. Lofdahl would call “an athletic explosion” as interests in sports intensified to new highs never before seen. Baseball had been growing steadily in popularity since the Civil War and by the time of the Great War had firmly established itself as the national pastime. By 1919 the Professional Baseball League boasted a total of 26 teams with 14 and 12 teams in the Star and Liberty Leagues respectively. Other sports such as rugby, handball, and lacrosse continued to expand and develop their own college and professional teams across the country. However, the sport to have the biggest impact from America’s involvement during the Great War was football.[1] Although football was played in the United States before the war, wartime experiences of playing football matches against allied units overseas fueled a dramatic increase in the sport’s popularity in postwar America. A number of professional football teams sprung up by the end of the decade and the American Football Association’s American Cup was turning into one of the most anticipated sporting events of the year. In addition to the previously mentioned ball sports, auto racing was also becoming extremely popular during the post war years. Many historians have viewed this as a natural byproduct of the growing auto market as Americans began purchasing autos in ever increasing numbers.[2]
The American Film Industry
Film set for the movie Love Lake
San Jose, California 1920
The United States had been the leader of the motion picture industry since its beginning in the late 1800’s. By the end of the Great War, the American film industry had solidified around San Jose, California which in time became a metonym for the movie industry in general. Literally built atop the ruble left over from the 1906 earthquake, San Jose became synonymous with the glitz and glamour of the post war years as stars and starlets amazed fortunes staring in films such as T. B. Evans’s The Front and Millard Thomas’s bible epic Day of Days, two of the most successful movies of the decade. By the dawn of the twenties, so called “talkies” began to overtake the earlier silent films.
[1] That is OTL’s soccer
[2] That’s right, ITTL cars are almost always referred to as autos instead of cars.
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Professional Baseball in The Union Forever
Liberty League
1. Name: Atlanta Goobers City: Atlanta, GA Colors: Blue, Yellow, and White
2. Name: Havana Peloteros (Players) City: Havana, CU Colors: Pink, Lime Green, and White
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1. Name: Miami Manatees City: Miami, FL Colors: Navy Blue, Gray, and White
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Professional Baseball in The Union Forever
Below is the beginning of a list of professional baseball teams from 1920 in The Union Forever. Together, let's complete it. Thanks for the help and Cheers!
Liberty League
1. Name: Atlanta Goobers City: Atlanta, GA Colors: Blue, Yellow, and White
2. Name: Havana Peloteros (Players) City: Havana, CU Colors: Pink, Lime Green, and White
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1. Name: Miami Manatees City: Miami, FL Colors: Navy Blue, Gray, and White
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