The Union Forever: A TL
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Here are the main political parties of the German Empire:
Conservative Party: Founded on January 10, 1920. Their position is Right-wing. Their ideology is economic conservatism, social conservatism, constitutional monarchism, retaining the powers of the monarchy and nobility, strong interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The party has a lot of support from the Prussian nobility, the junkers, as well as the nobility of the other German states. The leader as of 2002 is Chancellor Ernst Osterloh from Hesse. They are the spearhead of the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Christian Democrat Party: Founded on July 26, 1920. Their position is Center-Right. Their ideology is christian democracy, liberal conservatism, constitutional monarchism, interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Adolf Schliemann from Prussia, a descendant of the famous archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann (1822-1908). They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Social Democrat Party: Founded on February 1, 1921. Their position is Left-wing. Their ideology is Social democracy, decreasing and keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, anti-militarism, limited interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Ulriche Bartels from Prussia, the granddaughter of Franz Bartels (1889-1976), the Chancellor of Germany from 1946 to 1955. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, mostly for humanitarian reasons.
German Democratic Union: Founded on June 6, 1968 after a merger between numerous minor and regional left-wing parties in Germany. Their position is Center-Left. Their ideology is social liberalism, regulation of the economy, keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, interventionism only when necessary and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Lothar Schmidt from Württemberg. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Catholic Party: Founded on September 8, 1960. Their position is Center-Right. Their ideology is pro-Catholic, christian democracy and monarchism. Most of the party is socially conservative, with some more socially liberal factions. It is a regional party mostly popular in the southern German kingdoms. The leader as of 2002 is Georg Himmler from Bavaria. They take no position on the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Krulikist Party: Founded on October 15, 1940. Their ideology is Krulikist, Technocratic, anti-monarchist, anti-interventionism and anti-Association of European States. The party seeks to model Germany on technocratic China and the other technocratic states. The leader as of 2002 is Friedrich Konig from Saxony. They are against the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
German People's Party: Founded on April 12, 1942. Their position is Far-Right. Their ideology is corporatism, German nationalism, increasing the powers of the monarchy and nobility, pro-millitarism, pro-Junker, pro-Christianity, pro-interventionism, pro-Association of European States and anti-globalist. A number of factions within the party are known to be anti-semetic. The leader as of 2002 is the controversial Anton Dietrich from Oldenburg. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
German Communist Party: Founded on July 30, 1925. Their position is Far-Left. Their ideology is orthodox and anti-revisionist Marxism, anti-interventionism, anti-globalism and anti-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Martin Bruan from Austria. They are against the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, calling it "an imperialist war."
German Ecoist Party: Founded on May 20, 1980. Their position is Left-wing. Their ideology is based primarily on Ecoism, as well as decreasing and keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, anti-militarism, anti-interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Anna Kraft from Baden. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, only for humanitarian reasons.
Conservative Party: Founded on January 10, 1920. Their position is Right-wing. Their ideology is economic conservatism, social conservatism, constitutional monarchism, retaining the powers of the monarchy and nobility, strong interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The party has a lot of support from the Prussian nobility, the junkers, as well as the nobility of the other German states. The leader as of 2002 is Chancellor Ernst Osterloh from Hesse. They are the spearhead of the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Christian Democrat Party: Founded on July 26, 1920. Their position is Center-Right. Their ideology is christian democracy, liberal conservatism, constitutional monarchism, interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Adolf Schliemann from Prussia, a descendant of the famous archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann (1822-1908). They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Social Democrat Party: Founded on February 1, 1921. Their position is Left-wing. Their ideology is Social democracy, decreasing and keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, anti-militarism, limited interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Ulriche Bartels from Prussia, the granddaughter of Franz Bartels (1889-1976), the Chancellor of Germany from 1946 to 1955. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, mostly for humanitarian reasons.
German Democratic Union: Founded on June 6, 1968 after a merger between numerous minor and regional left-wing parties in Germany. Their position is Center-Left. Their ideology is social liberalism, regulation of the economy, keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, interventionism only when necessary and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Lothar Schmidt from Württemberg. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Catholic Party: Founded on September 8, 1960. Their position is Center-Right. Their ideology is pro-Catholic, christian democracy and monarchism. Most of the party is socially conservative, with some more socially liberal factions. It is a regional party mostly popular in the southern German kingdoms. The leader as of 2002 is Georg Himmler from Bavaria. They take no position on the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
Krulikist Party: Founded on October 15, 1940. Their ideology is Krulikist, Technocratic, anti-monarchist, anti-interventionism and anti-Association of European States. The party seeks to model Germany on technocratic China and the other technocratic states. The leader as of 2002 is Friedrich Konig from Saxony. They are against the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
German People's Party: Founded on April 12, 1942. Their position is Far-Right. Their ideology is corporatism, German nationalism, increasing the powers of the monarchy and nobility, pro-millitarism, pro-Junker, pro-Christianity, pro-interventionism, pro-Association of European States and anti-globalist. A number of factions within the party are known to be anti-semetic. The leader as of 2002 is the controversial Anton Dietrich from Oldenburg. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War.
German Communist Party: Founded on July 30, 1925. Their position is Far-Left. Their ideology is orthodox and anti-revisionist Marxism, anti-interventionism, anti-globalism and anti-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Martin Bruan from Austria. They are against the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, calling it "an imperialist war."
German Ecoist Party: Founded on May 20, 1980. Their position is Left-wing. Their ideology is based primarily on Ecoism, as well as decreasing and keeping in check the power of the monarchy and nobility, anti-militarism, anti-interventionism and pro-Association of European States. The leader as of 2002 is Anna Kraft from Baden. They support the German and AES intervention in the IEF Civil War, only for humanitarian reasons.
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Disclaimer: The above list is, just for know, speculation. I talked to Mac and apparently their are some errors. After I'm done talking to Mac I will edit the post and fix the errors.
I thought that the German monarchy was symbolic though? Is more power for them a political issue?
It was in OTL Germany, and Prussia always had pretty strong royal authority, so I don't see why it'd be out of the ordinary ITTL.
But one of the things that happened in TTL was that Frederick III established a fully Constitutional monarchy. It would be like more power for the monarchy being an issue in the Benelux countries.
Heres a map of the world of the The Union of Forever as of January 1, 2000.
If Mac Gregor approves of this map, I'll keep it up.
If Mac Gregor approves of this map, I'll keep it up.
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Good map but borders of Baltia are wrong. Check that from map some pages back ago. And I am too bit unsure about border of Poland. And probably you should show Afghanistan, Balochistan, Punjab and Sindh as puppets of Persia.
It seems that there not be list of popes.
And I would want to see list of presidents of France and Italy.
Mac, when there will be next update?
There is list of popes.
255. Pius IX (1846 - 1878)
256. Clement XV (1878 - 1901)
257. Gregory XVII (1901 - 1919)
258. Innocent XIV (1919 - 1925)
259. Leo XIII (1925 - 1937)
260. Leo XIV (1937 - 1964)
261. Pius X (1964 - 1983)
262. Clement XVI (1983 - 1996)
263. Gregory XVIII (1996 - )
255. Pius IX (1846 - 1878)
256. Clement XV (1878 - 1901)
257. Gregory XVII (1901 - 1919)
258. Innocent XIV (1919 - 1925)
259. Leo XIII (1925 - 1937)
260. Leo XIV (1937 - 1964)
261. Pius X (1964 - 1983)
262. Clement XVI (1983 - 1996)
263. Gregory XVIII (1996 - )
Profile: Harshad Nanda
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Sorry for the delayed response. Lalli, great start to the Nanda article. I made some changes and edits on one of the TL's most important people. I also changed the picture as Sam Manekshaw might be to well known. Enjoy.
Harshad Nanda (1912 - 1979)
Nanda circa 1937
Harshad Nanda was born on May 5, 1912 in Dehradun, British India to local official Rahul Nanda (1884 - 1951) and Kiran Nanda (1887 - 1964). Most historians describe Nanda’s childhood as unhappy due to his father’s alcoholism, probably brought on by his service and the loss of his two brothers during the Great War. From 1927 to 1932, Nanda attended the Kitchener Academy, a military prep school in Delhi, and was one of only a dozen Indians selected to attend the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. Nanda had a tough time as a cadet and was often mocked and ridiculed by his white comrades. Despite these hardships, Nanda commissioned as a second lieutenant of artillery in the predominantly British led Indian Army.
Posted at a remote garrison near the Afghan border, Nanda was involved in several skirmishes with bandits and rebellious tribesmen. Although eventually promoted to captain, Nanda’s military career came to a screeching halt after a violent altercation with his commanding officer, a cruel martinet named Lieutenant Colonel Sebastian Dodd. Dodd had wrongly accused Nanda of pilfering the garrison’s supply of brandy. Nanda knew that Dodd, a heavy drinker, had likely stolen the liquor himself, flatly denied the charges, and accused Dodd in return. Accounts differ as to who struck first but the end result was that Nanda gave Dodd a “proper thrashing.” Nanda was duly arrested, court-martialed, and cashiered from service. Sentenced to three years in a detestable Karachi jail, Nanda made contact with a number of Indian dissidents of various stripes and forged his own beliefs for a strong and united India free of British influence.
After being released from prison in 1941, Nanda quickly got involved in politics, joining the Indian Independence Party (IIP) working first as an enforcer in Calcutta but rising soon as a leader in the party’s nascent paramilitary. In 1944, Nanda married Priyanka Gowalad the daughter of local wealthy businessman. The unlikely marriage would prove a significant boost to Nanda’s career as his father-in-law’s business contacts proved crucial to his rise to power. The couple had three children, Pranab, Rajiv, and Indira although Nanda is often described as an indifferent father,.
On April 5, 1949 Nanda narrowly escaped being arrested at the IIP’s annual congress when the gathering was crashed by the police. Nanda was present when three days later a group of IIP radicals issued a declaration of independence for India and formed the United Front for the Liberation of India (UFLI). Nanda joined and soon became a trusted confidant to UFLI leader Shivraj Yadav. During the war for independence, Nanda led several operations against British and loyalists forces becoming a well-known rebel commander. In 1955, Nanda was wounded during the attack on Jaipur which killed Yadav and several other UFLI leaders. After Yadav’s death, the UFLI fractured into several factions with Nada leading one of the larger corporatist elements.
When the war finally ended with the signing of the Treaty of Geneva in 1958, the former British Raj was divided to several nations with Burma, Ceylon, Madras, Travancore, Mysore and Hyderabad remaining in or allied to the British Empire. Nanda was furious over the terms and considered it a grave betrayal. Nanda's served briefly in the new Indian Republican Army but soon retired to focus on politics.
On February 18, 1959 Nanda along with several other former UFLI members founded the National Unity Party Rastriya Ekata Parti (REP) which espoused corporatism and pan-Indian nationalism. It opposed European imperialism and wanted to reunite all the territory of the former Raj. During the 1959 general election, the REP gained several seats in parliament but was only one of many small opposition parties. In 1960 Nanda published his political manifesto "The Indian Nation" in which he advocated ultra-nationalism, corporatism, and eradicating British imperialism from Asia. The book’s massive popularity surprised even Nanda himself and helped lead the party to success in the 1963 general election with the REP becoming the single biggest opposition party.
The REP continued to grow over the next four years decrying the Indian government as hopelessly ineffective and often violently clashing with their opponents in the streets. In 1967, the REP and its allies won over half the seats in parliament in a jaw-dropping landslide. As the new premier, Nanda quickly began remaking the country. His government ran through a new constitution ushering in the second republic under the title the United Republic of India with Nanda as its powerful president. The depth and breadth of Nanda’s reforms are hard to overstress. India’s provincial borders were redrawn to form 34 states and the once sleepy centrally located townofNagpur was rechristened as Ekata Sahara “Unity City” to serve as the new capital. Discrimination against women and lower castes were curbed and a myriad of social programs created. Nanda’s India had a dark side as well with freedom of the press sharply curtailed and rival political groups ruthlessly persecuted by the Internal Security Commission Antarika Suraksa Ayoga (ASA). The military was modernized and enlarged dramatically. In 1973, Nanda cemented an alliance with Japan and other corporatist nations by signing the Calcutta Compact.
In August 1974 Nanda began his long awaited plan to unite the subcontinent, by invading the State of Islamic Bengal. It was a stunning success and the country fell in less than two months. Arguably no single person was more instrumental to the start of what would become the Asia-Pacific War than Nanda. In 1976, Nanda seized on what he believed to be a great opportunity by invading Hyderabad. The conflict soon escalated, spreading from South America to the Pacific. At first, India scored some impressive successes but Indian forces were soon stopped by stiffening resistance. As the war dragged on, China and Persia joined forcing the United Republic of India to fight on three fronts. As the odds swung decidedly against Nanda, the resolve of his soldiers and civilians declined and riots and eventually rebellions against his rule erupted across his would-be empire.
Nanda was killed on June 18, 1979 as a Commonwealth bomb destroyed his command post in Ekata Sahara. The war ended a few days later. In the years since his death, Nanda remains a polarizing figure. Some in India continue to view him as a hero of the revolution and a modernizer, while others believe that he callously led his nation to ruin. Outside of India, Nanda is usually considered an ambitious military strongman who, although gifted, plunged the world into one of the deadliest conflicts in human history.
Sorry for the delayed response. Lalli, great start to the Nanda article. I made some changes and edits on one of the TL's most important people. I also changed the picture as Sam Manekshaw might be to well known. Enjoy.
Harshad Nanda (1912 - 1979)
Nanda circa 1937
Harshad Nanda was born on May 5, 1912 in Dehradun, British India to local official Rahul Nanda (1884 - 1951) and Kiran Nanda (1887 - 1964). Most historians describe Nanda’s childhood as unhappy due to his father’s alcoholism, probably brought on by his service and the loss of his two brothers during the Great War. From 1927 to 1932, Nanda attended the Kitchener Academy, a military prep school in Delhi, and was one of only a dozen Indians selected to attend the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. Nanda had a tough time as a cadet and was often mocked and ridiculed by his white comrades. Despite these hardships, Nanda commissioned as a second lieutenant of artillery in the predominantly British led Indian Army.
Posted at a remote garrison near the Afghan border, Nanda was involved in several skirmishes with bandits and rebellious tribesmen. Although eventually promoted to captain, Nanda’s military career came to a screeching halt after a violent altercation with his commanding officer, a cruel martinet named Lieutenant Colonel Sebastian Dodd. Dodd had wrongly accused Nanda of pilfering the garrison’s supply of brandy. Nanda knew that Dodd, a heavy drinker, had likely stolen the liquor himself, flatly denied the charges, and accused Dodd in return. Accounts differ as to who struck first but the end result was that Nanda gave Dodd a “proper thrashing.” Nanda was duly arrested, court-martialed, and cashiered from service. Sentenced to three years in a detestable Karachi jail, Nanda made contact with a number of Indian dissidents of various stripes and forged his own beliefs for a strong and united India free of British influence.
After being released from prison in 1941, Nanda quickly got involved in politics, joining the Indian Independence Party (IIP) working first as an enforcer in Calcutta but rising soon as a leader in the party’s nascent paramilitary. In 1944, Nanda married Priyanka Gowalad the daughter of local wealthy businessman. The unlikely marriage would prove a significant boost to Nanda’s career as his father-in-law’s business contacts proved crucial to his rise to power. The couple had three children, Pranab, Rajiv, and Indira although Nanda is often described as an indifferent father,.
On April 5, 1949 Nanda narrowly escaped being arrested at the IIP’s annual congress when the gathering was crashed by the police. Nanda was present when three days later a group of IIP radicals issued a declaration of independence for India and formed the United Front for the Liberation of India (UFLI). Nanda joined and soon became a trusted confidant to UFLI leader Shivraj Yadav. During the war for independence, Nanda led several operations against British and loyalists forces becoming a well-known rebel commander. In 1955, Nanda was wounded during the attack on Jaipur which killed Yadav and several other UFLI leaders. After Yadav’s death, the UFLI fractured into several factions with Nada leading one of the larger corporatist elements.
When the war finally ended with the signing of the Treaty of Geneva in 1958, the former British Raj was divided to several nations with Burma, Ceylon, Madras, Travancore, Mysore and Hyderabad remaining in or allied to the British Empire. Nanda was furious over the terms and considered it a grave betrayal. Nanda's served briefly in the new Indian Republican Army but soon retired to focus on politics.
On February 18, 1959 Nanda along with several other former UFLI members founded the National Unity Party Rastriya Ekata Parti (REP) which espoused corporatism and pan-Indian nationalism. It opposed European imperialism and wanted to reunite all the territory of the former Raj. During the 1959 general election, the REP gained several seats in parliament but was only one of many small opposition parties. In 1960 Nanda published his political manifesto "The Indian Nation" in which he advocated ultra-nationalism, corporatism, and eradicating British imperialism from Asia. The book’s massive popularity surprised even Nanda himself and helped lead the party to success in the 1963 general election with the REP becoming the single biggest opposition party.
The REP continued to grow over the next four years decrying the Indian government as hopelessly ineffective and often violently clashing with their opponents in the streets. In 1967, the REP and its allies won over half the seats in parliament in a jaw-dropping landslide. As the new premier, Nanda quickly began remaking the country. His government ran through a new constitution ushering in the second republic under the title the United Republic of India with Nanda as its powerful president. The depth and breadth of Nanda’s reforms are hard to overstress. India’s provincial borders were redrawn to form 34 states and the once sleepy centrally located townofNagpur was rechristened as Ekata Sahara “Unity City” to serve as the new capital. Discrimination against women and lower castes were curbed and a myriad of social programs created. Nanda’s India had a dark side as well with freedom of the press sharply curtailed and rival political groups ruthlessly persecuted by the Internal Security Commission Antarika Suraksa Ayoga (ASA). The military was modernized and enlarged dramatically. In 1973, Nanda cemented an alliance with Japan and other corporatist nations by signing the Calcutta Compact.
In August 1974 Nanda began his long awaited plan to unite the subcontinent, by invading the State of Islamic Bengal. It was a stunning success and the country fell in less than two months. Arguably no single person was more instrumental to the start of what would become the Asia-Pacific War than Nanda. In 1976, Nanda seized on what he believed to be a great opportunity by invading Hyderabad. The conflict soon escalated, spreading from South America to the Pacific. At first, India scored some impressive successes but Indian forces were soon stopped by stiffening resistance. As the war dragged on, China and Persia joined forcing the United Republic of India to fight on three fronts. As the odds swung decidedly against Nanda, the resolve of his soldiers and civilians declined and riots and eventually rebellions against his rule erupted across his would-be empire.
Nanda was killed on June 18, 1979 as a Commonwealth bomb destroyed his command post in Ekata Sahara. The war ended a few days later. In the years since his death, Nanda remains a polarizing figure. Some in India continue to view him as a hero of the revolution and a modernizer, while others believe that he callously led his nation to ruin. Outside of India, Nanda is usually considered an ambitious military strongman who, although gifted, plunged the world into one of the deadliest conflicts in human history.
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The list of Popes is as follows.
Popes:
Pius IX: 1846-1878
Clement XV: 1878- 1893
Leo XIII: 1893- 1907
Paul VI: 1907-1930
Gregory XVII: 1930-1937
Leo XIV: 1937-1965
Pius X: 1965 – 1983
Clement XVI: 1983 – 1996
Gregory XVIII: 1996 -
Lets discuss the early chancellors of Germany. Would von Bethmann-Hollweg still come to power in a Prussia where Bismarck was discredited? I also don't think that the Social Democrats would be able to secure a majority government. Lets start the discussion of what would the political parties be at the foundation of the German Empire in 1911?
I posted this map for 2000 several pages back. I can't vouch for some of the internal borders that your map has for Germany, China, Nigeria, Congo, etc. If you are going to show satellite states, which my map does not, then Sindh, Baluchistan, and Punjab should be colored for Persia.