The Salvation War: A Review and Warning
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To this day, I still don't know exactly what happened apart from the guy in the Ukraine torrenting TSW and Pantheocide. I'd been following both novels regularly on SDN (that was pretty much the only reason I visited the site, as their hardcore-atheist attitude toward religion irks me), and I went away for some time, and then when I came back to check the latest updates on Pantheocide, BOOM, something had blown up over there and the whole topic of TSW had become "something we don't talk about anymore" there.
(For the record, I've been a member of Stuart's board in its various incarnations since 2000, so that predates my joining AH.com by quite a few years.)
So I'm getting along with my life and not really paying much attention to anything, when all of a sudden I am told that I'm apparently going into my Fight Club mode again. Yes, once more I've taken on the persona of a long-time poster on a website and used it to level horrid and unfair attacks on Stuart Slade!
Why do I do these things?
Because I am Snowball! I am Goldstein! I am Trotsky! And I am the Napoleon of Crime! I am the organiser of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected on the Internet... From my lair I co-ordinate an army of sock-puppets and liberal bobble-heads with only one goal! To ruin the literary career of Stuart Slade and bring about Sharia Law in the West!
I am obviously a very busy man indeed.
So far Stuart has accused me of being behind the website TBOsucks.com (that was DonBosco of spacebattles), of posting horrid reviews on Amazon (Coiler among others), of being responsible for various other critical blogs and forum posts (which weren't me, but I won't go into those because I don't post on those websites.) It is getting a little ridiculous. Now I don't comment on the accusations which concern posts on boards which I don't frequent. However I do frequent this board so I feel obliged to chime in. This will be a bit of a lengthy post since I didn't find out about this thread until just now.
The worst part is that I offered him several ways out, I told him he could call it the Ulema, or if he worried about that being obscure try the "Council of Viziers." However he insisted on calling it a "Council of Caliphs," and basing it on the tribal style government of Afghanistan. Nor is this just something that outsiders call it, the text explicitly stated that it was a "Council of Caliphs."
I should also add that there's a scene in the beginning of the book where they burn a group of people on the stake. The problem is that the one thing all schools of Islam (Sunni and Shia) agree on is this; burning people as part of a judicial punishment is blasphemy. You might as well have them celebrate a pork barbeque, it's just as haram, and religious fanatics are not known for being forgiving when it comes to the letter of the law.
Uhm... You know when I wrote that stuff saying "I am Snowball! I am Goldstein! I am Trotsky! And I am the Napoleon of Crime! I am the organiser of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected on the Internet" I was joking, but it seems that HPCA is buying into that whole hog.
As evidenced here:
I personally think it's because Stuart had never before faced someone who wouldn't be intimidated into silence, and at the same time he couldn't use bluster to make it seem like he at least had as good a case as I did. Simply put Stuart knew absolutely nothing about Islam or the Middle-East, all he had was vague references to "a professor in the original Caliphate" and "people who fought in Afghanistan." He was so ignorant and so wrong that he couldn't even fake knowing what he was talking about.
That is why he ran away bawling and claimed I was a poopyhead with a vendetta.
To make things worse whenever people criticize his Caliphate they bring up my criticisms, they may even quote them. And he's got nothing to say to that. All he can do is talk about "the deranged rantings of Norseman" and try to affect an air of affable superiority. What he can't do is give in an informed response to my original critique, because he just doesn't know enough to do so.
I think that eats away at him, that he lost, that he had to flee, that he was unable to give a good response. I think his fans might feel the same way if they look at our argument. They don't have a response either. So they have to dismiss me without materially dealing with my objections.
Oh Lord yes! That one was hilarious.
But seriously I will make a prediction: They will all laugh about how Stormlord is only 16-17, they will say he's an idiot, laugh more about him being a teen, and never, ever deal with any of his actual objections.
Why do I do these things?
Because I am Snowball! I am Goldstein! I am Trotsky! And I am the Napoleon of Crime! I am the organiser of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected on the Internet... From my lair I co-ordinate an army of sock-puppets and liberal bobble-heads with only one goal! To ruin the literary career of Stuart Slade and bring about Sharia Law in the West!
I am obviously a very busy man indeed.
So far Stuart has accused me of being behind the website TBOsucks.com (that was DonBosco of spacebattles), of posting horrid reviews on Amazon (Coiler among others), of being responsible for various other critical blogs and forum posts (which weren't me, but I won't go into those because I don't post on those websites.) It is getting a little ridiculous. Now I don't comment on the accusations which concern posts on boards which I don't frequent. However I do frequent this board so I feel obliged to chime in. This will be a bit of a lengthy post since I didn't find out about this thread until just now.
The worst part is that I offered him several ways out, I told him he could call it the Ulema, or if he worried about that being obscure try the "Council of Viziers." However he insisted on calling it a "Council of Caliphs," and basing it on the tribal style government of Afghanistan. Nor is this just something that outsiders call it, the text explicitly stated that it was a "Council of Caliphs."
I should also add that there's a scene in the beginning of the book where they burn a group of people on the stake. The problem is that the one thing all schools of Islam (Sunni and Shia) agree on is this; burning people as part of a judicial punishment is blasphemy. You might as well have them celebrate a pork barbeque, it's just as haram, and religious fanatics are not known for being forgiving when it comes to the letter of the law.
Uhm... You know when I wrote that stuff saying "I am Snowball! I am Goldstein! I am Trotsky! And I am the Napoleon of Crime! I am the organiser of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected on the Internet" I was joking, but it seems that HPCA is buying into that whole hog.
As evidenced here:
I personally think it's because Stuart had never before faced someone who wouldn't be intimidated into silence, and at the same time he couldn't use bluster to make it seem like he at least had as good a case as I did. Simply put Stuart knew absolutely nothing about Islam or the Middle-East, all he had was vague references to "a professor in the original Caliphate" and "people who fought in Afghanistan." He was so ignorant and so wrong that he couldn't even fake knowing what he was talking about.
That is why he ran away bawling and claimed I was a poopyhead with a vendetta.
To make things worse whenever people criticize his Caliphate they bring up my criticisms, they may even quote them. And he's got nothing to say to that. All he can do is talk about "the deranged rantings of Norseman" and try to affect an air of affable superiority. What he can't do is give in an informed response to my original critique, because he just doesn't know enough to do so.
I think that eats away at him, that he lost, that he had to flee, that he was unable to give a good response. I think his fans might feel the same way if they look at our argument. They don't have a response either. So they have to dismiss me without materially dealing with my objections.
Oh Lord yes! That one was hilarious.
But seriously I will make a prediction: They will all laugh about how Stormlord is only 16-17, they will say he's an idiot, laugh more about him being a teen, and never, ever deal with any of his actual objections.
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Like I care!
Also: you're here? That's cool.
EDIT: I am so obviously the terrible Four-In-One. You see, I happen to be simultaneously two Americans, one of whom is a New York pop star, a Norwegian/Finn, and an English teenager living in Belgium, for after delving into the Kabbalah I discovered how to be four people with wildy different personalities and ages simultaneously. Soon I will spread my influence into all society, and where will bad literature hide then?
EDIT2: ALL IS ONE IN NORSEMAN. THIS MIGHTY BODY IS MY CHURCH.
Also: you're here? That's cool.
EDIT: I am so obviously the terrible Four-In-One. You see, I happen to be simultaneously two Americans, one of whom is a New York pop star, a Norwegian/Finn, and an English teenager living in Belgium, for after delving into the Kabbalah I discovered how to be four people with wildy different personalities and ages simultaneously. Soon I will spread my influence into all society, and where will bad literature hide then?
EDIT2: ALL IS ONE IN NORSEMAN. THIS MIGHTY BODY IS MY CHURCH.
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See, the problem I have with this is that while it's explained that doesn't mean it's not dumb or that that explanation stands up to scrutiny.
Like, is there anyone who couldn't think of a better plan to invade the Earth from hell than the one the demons used in five minutes? Like, take five minutes out now and think of one.
Even if you realistically would expect the demons to be unprepared for modern warfare (cause we'd really be prepared for telepathic teleporting demons!) having them be so unprepared is a tiresome way to write a story.
Or I think so anyway. I'm always surprised by the number of people I meet who claim stories don't need drama.
Guess the week wasn't enough?
Okay. Strike 2.
Kicked for a week for coming back into a thread where you were kicked for trolling & picking up right where you left off.
Pull this sort of immature crap again when you come back and I'll ring up the "K".
Nice. Not enough to come into this thread and try to restart the flames? Figured you would drag in an Internet fight (one of the silliest things in existence) from a different Board in the bargain.
For a long time member you really should know the rules a lot better.
Take a week and study them.
When you come back leave the Gas Can and troll rar rah behind.
For a long time member you really should know the rules a lot better.
Take a week and study them.
When you come back leave the Gas Can and troll rar rah behind.
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