His version where he mass nationalizes Japanese buisnesses is too agressive given his proximity to Japan.
He can still align but not to the absurd extent of burning bridges with a close superpower and strangling potential investments.
The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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He can still align but not to the absurd extent of burning bridges with a close superpower and strangling potential investments.
It turns out that TNO might've already integrated the Operation Deep Freeze or not.
Adding to what Introverted said, Russia needs to build it's own block. The OFN will be Russia main adversary after it defeats the nazis.
Ehh... I doubt Russia has the capacity to actually be its own block lorewise at least.
The closest it may get is a really significant regional power opposed to the Pakt but defeat Nazi's is impossible lorewise because of nukes.
Though in Mikhail II case he would probably align against Japan of all powers due to being an Aussie.
All russias except Roddie will be anti Japanese to get the far east back
And well, PinkPanzer said that TNO2 is about the rise of Russia and nobody countered it now, so I do think Russia can get allies along the world and challenge the CPS and the OFN
Or you know Russia could be part of the OFN and not pointlessly destroy its global standing.
More seriously all Communist paths will have the international to kinda build that depending on how realistic the devs will be with what Russian Communists will act like.
I could see the weird(Rurik and Warble) ones and the very idealistic(SBA and Tomsk) ones doing what you propose but at a strict detriment towards Russia.
The only way this will destroy Russia global standing is if the OFN really has taken over the world, then there is no cold war anymore and you reached a pax americana.
Yeah. Even in a best case scenario this Russia will never be even half the threat the USSR was otl and the US will almost certainly have more important things to do like finish off Japan.
Not to mention that if OFN winning the cold war is "canon", Russia has nothing to gain from being hostile to it.
I remember canon being decanonized because it made the message of you dont need to fight facism because it wouod eventually solve itself to be boring narratively.
When did I say it was wrong? I was just saying that Mikhail and his government have no choice but to align with the OFN after the events of the Siberian divorce. I do think that Mikhail's government would align with the OFN on the world stage but not join it outright. Not only does America not want a nation that so openly antagonised Japan directly in its faction but also internal affairs within Chita would majorly hinder such attempts. For example, the state ran imperial corporations and their oligarchs are one of the main supporters for Mikhail's coup against Shepunov and they wouldn't be too happy for American companies to be encroaching on their turf. Its why dealing with the imperial corporations and the transition to a freer economy should be a big part of Mikhail II's content after reunfication alongside how the Russian Empire's poltical system will function depending on who Mikhail choses to favour between Sobchak or Volkogonov
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A "canon" timeline hasn't been apart of TNO for a long time. The original canon timeline was very dumb and dull (USA helping Germany in the 2WRW against Zhukov's USSR) anyway so it was no big loss when it was scrapped.
Nowadays, nothing is canon in TNO so the timeline is whatever happens in a playthrough.
What? Russia not joining the OFN won't ruin its global standing at all. Russia (depending on the unfier) can have good relations with the OFN while not directly joining their faction. Especially if they win the 2WRW against Germany, I imagine that most Russian warlords would chart an independent path where they try to keep good relations with both the USA and Japan for investments into rebuilding Moscow and other Eastern European holdings if they secured them from Germany.
Obviously some warlords like Petlin would join the OFN and others like Shepunov would join the CPS but those are the exceptions.
I don't get this. "Lorewise" is whatever the TNO writers think what will make a good narrative not what makes the most sense realistically. I bet that when/if Russia ever gets post unification content that the majority of Russian unfiers will set up their own cold war faction that focuses mainly on securing Europe from any potenial German revanchism after a victory in the 2WRW because it makes for better gameplay opportunities and narrative for the majority of unfiers. It also has the side benefit of keeping Russian warlords who will outright join existing factions unique in their foreign diplomacy/narrative.
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I am over some very thin ice, but let's say that current day russia that is a Pariah state is still able to get his influence over most of Latam and large parts of Africa, even without the ideological justification that the soviet union had. Mikhail II Russia might have less people than modern russia (for obvious reasons), but assuming it gets its way and take over Belarus, Ukraine, the baltics and caucasus it will have a bigger power projection than modern russia since it will posses more resources.
Honestly I see Russia as being OFN friendly, if not necessarily part of that organisation, to be the most likely scenario for many democratic or communist Russia's, and quite a few of the simple autocrats and dictators as well.
I mean... who else is there? The Nazis? Japan for a few of the less scrupulous I suppose. And if the Russians win a war with Germany, the OFN will likely have been vital in doing so. I can see a victorious Russia being distant from the graces of the OFN but I can't see them out and out opposing them unless the OFN actually supported Germany or completely refused to help.
Even a victorious Russia is still a broken shell of it's OTL self, and the Germans might be back for round four one day.
I mean... who else is there? The Nazis? Japan for a few of the less scrupulous I suppose. And if the Russians win a war with Germany, the OFN will likely have been vital in doing so. I can see a victorious Russia being distant from the graces of the OFN but I can't see them out and out opposing them unless the OFN actually supported Germany or completely refused to help.
Even a victorious Russia is still a broken shell of it's OTL self, and the Germans might be back for round four one day.
I sort of think Russian presence in the OFN will be be a turning point down the line assuming a decline in German power down the line long term but short term does not matter.
The OFN very much is perceived by the US at least as opposing some of the worst powers in human history in a world gone mad, some in the USA are very idealistic about it creating a better more free world while others are a bit apathic or pragmatic not trying to genocide a large chunk of the world is a low bar to fulfil and will support anyone who can do that.
Unless Russia's openly, proudly fascist and or a near direct extension of Japan I can very much see the US accepting and maybe encouraging Russian revanchism and imperialism just like how they used to tolerate Italy's colonies or having fascist members in the OFN given it is still better than Germany. A Russian great power is not inherently hostile to the OFN and as one of the three main blocks they would be vital to building it up and helping it claim new lands.
Granted though if Russia did manage to drive Germany out of eastern Europe you probably would see a bit of friction in the OFN over how it should act towards Russia managing Europe with some favouring unconditional support because not do so could encourage Germany to think support is divided versus those preferring to condition aid making sure their newly taken land and people are not abused to much.
The OFN very much is perceived by the US at least as opposing some of the worst powers in human history in a world gone mad, some in the USA are very idealistic about it creating a better more free world while others are a bit apathic or pragmatic not trying to genocide a large chunk of the world is a low bar to fulfil and will support anyone who can do that.
Unless Russia's openly, proudly fascist and or a near direct extension of Japan I can very much see the US accepting and maybe encouraging Russian revanchism and imperialism just like how they used to tolerate Italy's colonies or having fascist members in the OFN given it is still better than Germany. A Russian great power is not inherently hostile to the OFN and as one of the three main blocks they would be vital to building it up and helping it claim new lands.
Granted though if Russia did manage to drive Germany out of eastern Europe you probably would see a bit of friction in the OFN over how it should act towards Russia managing Europe with some favouring unconditional support because not do so could encourage Germany to think support is divided versus those preferring to condition aid making sure their newly taken land and people are not abused to much.
Italy's likely the biggest hope, in fact they arguably have the biggest interest in supporting Russia against Germany since a Russian war would make them the masters of Europe, Iran depending on the civil war could prove a option though these nations though they lack the amount of support one of the main blocks could have and would likely have their arms twisted at various time to pressure Russia if it's acting to hostile to the big three.
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Reading the comments, I found an interesting comment:
Basically, Vyatka is made up of White Russian Emigres who fled to Europe. That said, Russian Monarchist Exiles ended up being sympathetic to local Fascism and National Socialism in their host countries, and Monarchists ended up collaborating with the Far-Right in Europe, what with many Monarchists harboring sentiments of antisemitism and anti-communism. Many Tsarist Exiles were very involved with the Far-Right Political Circles in Europe.
I mean, Taboritsky is one example of Tsarist Exiles being Pro-Nazi supporters. But you also had people like Pavel Bermondt-Avalov, Boris Smyslovsky, Igor Sakharov, and Evgeny Messner, who were Nazi-sympathizing Tsarists.
That said, Igor Sakharov, one of Vyatka's Generals, had fought for the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War, with Sakharov even joining and pledging allegiance to Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera's Fascist Falangists. Sakharov would also lead the Vonsiatsky-sponsored Fascist collaborationist RNNA (Russian National People's Army) in World War 2.
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Speaking of Chita being way cooler, that one event where the former nazi and former communist bond and become semi-friends due to the fact that both of them are being worked to death in your centrist labor camps is still one of my favorite in the mod.