The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II

How has the TT update impacted them?
TT has reinforced my 2WRW views more than anything.
Russia run by the AI should at best get Moscovian while the Reich rails from Bormann's death.
Speer,G4 and even Oberlander i think will fully depend on how decent the AI is at managing its smaller army but should be able to at least keep the border.
 

brooklyn99

Banned
TT has reinforced my 2WRW views more than anything.
Russia run by the AI should at best get Moscovian while the Reich rails from Bormann's death.
Speer,G4 and even Oberlander i think will fully depend on how decent the AI is at managing its smaller army but should be able to at least keep the border.
Fair enough. What about in terms of world building since TT added a whole bunch of content around areas like South America, West Africa, the proxy wars?
 
Fair enough. What about in terms of world building since TT added a whole bunch of content around areas like South America, West Africa, the proxy wars?
Paraguay's and Peron are absolutely cursed and hilarious paths and from the proxy wars the big one is the West African one which is fun regardless of winning or losing but i will reserve my thought for the day we get content for the big 2 and the 3 ending.
 
So, for those of you who have thought up your own headcannons for what happens in TNO. How has the TT update impacted them? What would be your personal headcannon for the newly added content like the new Moskowien Civil War, Phillipines proxy war, WAC, etc?
In my main canon, the Filipino rebels were defeated, but they managed to hold the island of Mindao in the south and fortify there.
Now Mindao is a separate Filipino state, a bit of Cuba's vibe. Liberty island in the Pacific Ocean, which has joined the OFN.

Muscovy was captured by Kaminsky, after which he agreed with Bormann.
Kaminsky was the leader (with the title of Voivode) of the Reich Protectorate of Muscovy until the end of the 70s. When the Reich withdrew its troops from Muscovy because of the terrorist-guerrilla war of 1971-1979 against the fanatics of Hyperborea. Kaminsky called on muscovite citizens to fight and said that he would never leave Moscow.

However, on the same day, he boarded his private jet and flew to a pre-purchased villa near Sorrento, Italian Empire.
Kaminsky lived there until 1986, having managed to write a memoir - "40 years at the helm."
 
My current headcanon involves WW3 breaking out, and the world not ending with Goering's Germany collapsing after a failed invasion of the US (to keep things interesting) and the Wehrmacht collapsing somewhere in Central Asia. The result is a cold war between the Bennet styled OFN vs a reformed and increasingly China centered CPS. Russia is neutral and trying to play both sides off each other, Europe is split between an OFN backed Central European Union and a CPS backed New Triumvirate. World War 4 stories are fairly common
 
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So, for those of you who have thought up your own headcannons for what happens in TNO. How has the TT update impacted them? What would be your personal headcannon for the newly added content like the new Moskowien Civil War, Phillipines proxy war, WAC, etc?
My main headcanon as to events is that for The Phillipines, The USFIP and AFRSR are able to claim the islands and push back the Japanese response of the 14th Army’s invasion and form the Coalition Government of the Philippines, however with Magsaysay launching a coup against Lorenzo Tañada, unofficially becoming a new dictator of the Phillipines.

West African Crisis ends in the victory of the Cameroonian African State leading to the creation of the Pan-African Community for Mutual Economic Assistance.

Moskowiens gets reunited by Operationszone Sankt Peterburg under the main command of Dietrich Friedrich Eduard Kasimir von Saucken before being subsequently crushed by an invasion from Bormann’s reich.
 

chankljp

Donor
So, for those of you who have thought up your own headcannons for what happens in TNO. How has the TT update impacted them? What would be your personal headcannon for the newly added content like the new Moskowien Civil War, Phillipines proxy war, WAC, etc?
In my TNO headcanon, the outcome of the English Civil War, the Malayan Emergency, and the Balintawak Blitz will indirectly resulted in Cameroon deciding to cooperate with the Japanese, as well as the reason why the Iranian Revolutionary Alliance Collapsed before the forces loyal to the Shah were even defeated.

Why? Well.... My headcanon was that all three of the conflicts that I have mentioned resulted in the resistance emerging victorious against the occupiers with OFN support... With the right-wing/capitalists/liberals/pro-OFN wing of the resistance gaining dominance in the post-conflict settlement. In that the NDL getting elected in England, Razak getting elected in Malaya, and the Coalition Government of the Philippines getting dominated by the USFIP/Commonwealth supporters.

Hence, from the perspective of the more radical and vanguardist leftists, they will get the idea that by forming a coalition with the liberals in order to fight off the pro-Axis establishment will result in socialism getting 'domesticated' under bourgeois democracy at best, or entirely sidelined at worst. Hence, if the want to revolution to emerge victorious, they should purge the liberals before the conflict is finished. Leading to the clusterf*ck that was the Iranian Civil War, with the Revolutionaries getting all the way to Tehran... Only to collapse into in-fighting when the communist tried to purge everyone else, allowing the Shah loyalist forces to regroup and ultimately retake the entire country.

Anyway, here is a list of my new headcanon after the TBT update:

- UMAJF victory against the Japanese in the Malayan Emergency, with the pro-OFN Razak winning the post war election thanks to CIA support. With this being one of the first American victories since the end of WW2.​
- General Fertig's USFIP managed to take Manila in the Balintawak Blitz, with the USFIP forming the United Filipino Front with the AFRSR to fight off the Japanese 14th Army's retaliatory invasion... With the CIA making sure that the AFRSR at Luzon takes the brunt of casualties in the process. After the war, Coalition Government became dominated by democratic/pro-OFN sympathizers.​
- Due to OFN forces being distracted elsewhere, as well as the rushed nature of Admiral Moore's attempted intervention, the native Malagasy Republic, with Japanese support, takes control of Madagascar, with the island becoming the Co-Prosperity Sphere's stronghold in the Western parts of the Indian Ocean, sort of like an ATL Cuba.​
- Total OFN victory in the South African War, followed by successful decolonization of the former RKs. With a good chunk of Southern and Central Africa becoming OFN observers.​
- ... To balance this out, the West African War will be a fight between the French Military Alliance vs. Pan-African Liberation Front... With the Front led by Cameroon being victorious. But when they tried to push on to Liberia and Sierra Leone in the Mano Campaign, it quickly became a quagmire for the Cameroonian, resulting in a ceasefire, with both West African nations becoming OFN members.​
- As such, while the Germans might have been pushed out of Africa for good (Outside of Reunion Island), Africa is still a battleground for the Cold War, except now it is between OFN and the Co-Prosperity Sphere.​
 

brooklyn99

Banned
In my TNO headcanon, the outcome of the English Civil War, the Malayan Emergency, and the Balintawak Blitz will indirectly resulted in Cameroon deciding to cooperate with the Japanese, as well as the reason why the Iranian Revolutionary Alliance Collapsed before the forces loyal to the Shah were even defeated.

Why? Well.... My headcanon was that all three of the conflicts that I have mentioned resulted in the resistance emerging victorious against the occupiers with OFN support... With the right-wing/capitalists/liberals/pro-OFN wing of the resistance gaining dominance in the post-conflict settlement. In that the NDL getting elected in England, Razak getting elected in Malaya, and the Coalition Government of the Philippines getting dominated by the USFIP/Commonwealth supporters.

Hence, from the perspective of the more radical and vanguardist leftists, they will get the idea that by forming a coalition with the liberals in order to fight off the pro-Axis establishment will result in socialism getting 'domesticated' under bourgeois democracy at best, or entirely sidelined at worst. Hence, if the want to revolution to emerge victorious, they should purge the liberals before the conflict is finished. Leading to the clusterf*ck that was the Iranian Civil War, with the Revolutionaries getting all the way to Tehran... Only to collapse into in-fighting when the communist tried to purge everyone else, allowing the Shah loyalist forces to regroup and ultimately retake the entire country.

Anyway, here is a list of my new headcanon after the TBT update:

- UMAJF victory against the Japanese in the Malayan Emergency, with the pro-OFN Razak winning the post war election thanks to CIA support. With this being one of the first American victories since the end of WW2.​
- General Fertig's USFIP managed to take Manila in the Balintawak Blitz, with the USFIP forming the United Filipino Front with the AFRSR to fight off the Japanese 14th Army's retaliatory invasion... With the CIA making sure that the AFRSR at Luzon takes the brunt of casualties in the process. After the war, Coalition Government became dominated by democratic/pro-OFN sympathizers.​
- Due to OFN forces being distracted elsewhere, as well as the rushed nature of Admiral Moore's attempted intervention, the native Malagasy Republic, with Japanese support, takes control of Madagascar, with the island becoming the Co-Prosperity Sphere's stronghold in the Western parts of the Indian Ocean, sort of like an ATL Cuba.​
- Total OFN victory in the South African War, followed by successful decolonization of the former RKs. With a good chunk of Southern and Central Africa becoming OFN observers.​
- ... To balance this out, the West African War will be a fight between the French Military Alliance vs. Pan-African Liberation Front... With the Front led by Cameroon being victorious. But when they tried to push on to Liberia and Sierra Leone in the Mano Campaign, it quickly became a quagmire for the Cameroonian, resulting in a ceasefire, with both West African nations becoming OFN members.​
- As such, while the Germans might have been pushed out of Africa for good (Outside of Reunion Island), Africa is still a battleground for the Cold War, except now it is between OFN and the Co-Prosperity Sphere.​
And how did Moskowien fare? If it was unified by any of the "4" (Saucken, Gorby, Kaminski, Helldorff) then did they manage to successfully negotiate with Germany? (I'm pretty hyped for Moskowien once Europas Narben drops. The collapse gives a sense of "completeness" to the Russian Anarchy and I trust the content and narrative will be as good as we see with the Russian warlords).

How about the royal mess that is Paraguay?
 
Some ideas for TNO but America and Russia are reversed:
  • Hitler for ASB induced reasons essentially permanently postponed the invasion of Soviet Russia and redirected his genocidal designs for Lebensraum on Western Europe (and presumably Africa), carving reichskommissariats out of France, Britain, and Iberia (the italians got the southern coast of France and western coast of Iberia for their troubles and a lot of refugees are fleeing their).
  • Operation Sealion actually didn't happen here and instead Britain held out until the early 50s and essentially got carpet nuked into suffering a Decisive Darkness style societal breakdown. Ireland is currently preparing for an apocalyptic struggle for it's existence in case Germany decides it's next on the list.
  • Needless to say alongside the disaster that was Atlantropa, Germany turning it's genocidal aims westward has irreversibly wrecked it's relationship with Italy and the Catholic Church is seriously pondering straight up declaring a crusade.
  • Himmler takes Heydrich's place in the Civil War (at least initially) and is the one that advocates the hardest for doubling down on Generalplan Ost and destroying the Bolshevik Menace once and for all...
  • The Soviet Union is needless to say is extremely paranoid given who they're surrounded by and it's border with Germany is the most militarized zone on the planet. They installed a puppet government in Iran, are backing anti colonial rebels in Asia and Africa, and are doing all they can to support the American Reds.
  • The civil war in America that also managed to drag Canada down with it has calmed down into a extremely uneasy and undeclared cease-fire in the late forties. The main factions are a communist state that takes most of the steel belt and north Atlantic states alongside Southern Ontario, a fascistic state in the south that only through intensive German support hasn't completely collapsed (old President Long is not a happy man), and a rump United States remnant on the west coast that has fallen under increased Japanese influence. Of course there are a fuckton of much smaller warlord states all in between.
 

chankljp

Donor
And how did Moskowien fare? If it was unified by any of the "4" (Saucken, Gorby, Kaminski, Helldorff) then did they manage to successfully negotiate with Germany? (I'm pretty hyped for Moskowien once Europas Narben drops. The collapse gives a sense of "completeness" to the Russian Anarchy and I trust the content and narrative will be as good as we see with the Russian warlords).
I think I will wait until we get some actual RK Moskowien content before deciding on my headcanon for the place. For the moment, since I have Speer as the winner of the German Civil War in my headcanon, I lean towards a Gorbachev victory, just to see what his interactions with the 'reformist fuhrer' would be like, and to see if a peaceful reunification will be possible.

One thing that I would like to point out about Moskowien: If the 'SS-Aktionsgruppe Moskowien' takes control of the territory, they would go full Pol Pot on the place in their attempt to impose Agrarian Spartanism. According to one Reddit user, by the time Germany brings down the law and retake the territory, both Moscow and Sankt Peterburg would have been utterly wrecked, to the point of having zero infrastructure and no building slots, with the implication being that the SS had emptied out the cities by driving out their populations and razed everything, similar to what they did to Warsaw in OTL.

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In the long term, this might have some... Interesting, implication for the Second West Russian War. In that this might make things much harder for both the Germans and the Russians when fighting over the ruins of Moskowien due to the lack of local transportation infrastructure for logistics. With things being worst for the Russian unifier even if they emerge victorious, in that they have spent so much blood and treasure of their newly reunified state to retake what was once the Russian people's cultural core... Which is now utterly depopulated and razed to the ground.

Granted, it was extremely unlikely for the SS to win the fight for Moskowien (Hence why the person posting this had to use debug commands just to trigger this outcome), but still interesting to think about the consequences of such actions.
 
I think I will wait until we get some actual RK Moskowien content before deciding on my headcanon for the place. For the moment, since I have Speer as the winner of the German Civil War in my headcanon, I lean towards a Gorbachev victory, just to see what his interactions with the 'reformist fuhrer' would be like, and to see if a peaceful reunification will be possible.

One thing that I would like to point out about Moskowien: If the 'SS-Aktionsgruppe Moskowien' takes control of the territory, they would go full Pol Pot on the place in their attempt to impose Agrarian Spartanism. According to one Reddit user, by the time Germany brings down the law and retake the territory, both Moscow and Sankt Peterburg would have been utterly wrecked, to the point of having zero infrastructure and no building slots, with the implication being that the SS had emptied out the cities by driving out their populations and razed everything, similar to what they did to Warsaw in OTL.

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In the long term, this might have some... Interesting, implication for the Second West Russian War. In that this might make things much harder for both the Germans and the Russians when fighting over the ruins of Moskowien due to the lack of local transportation infrastructure for logistics. With things being worst for the Russian unifier even if they emerge victorious, in that they have spent so much blood and treasure of their newly reunified state to retake what was once the Russian people's cultural core... Which is now utterly depopulated and razed to the ground.

Granted, it was extremely unlikely for the SS to win the fight for Moskowien (Hence why the person posting this had to use debug commands just to trigger this outcome), but still interesting to think about the consequences of such actions.

I think ("luckily" for people of Moskowien) Backe wouldn't have enough time to implement his solutions.
Most of Germanies (Speer, Bormann and Goering) are extremely hostile to Burgundy and Backe is it's "extension", he's upholding the same ideals and by any chance, he'd be more loyal to Ost-Paris than to Berlin.
Heydrich could be on board with that (but even he would think that intentional destruction of industry in Moskowien is useless and would order Backe to stop), but no chance that any other Fuhrer would tolerate Backe.
The invasion from Germania would end life of Backe's SS-state in Moskowien.
 
I'm playing a Bennett game, and it appears like Goring might win the German Civil War. How buggy is Goring with the Cold War mechanics, because I'm considering cheating and having Bormann win instead
 
Herbert Bakke's victory, against the backdrop of figures such as Kaminsky and Gorbachev, is highly unrealistic.
This guy just doesn't have that many recruits to conquer the huge european population of Muscovy.
After all, his army is exclusively SS, even the soldiers of the Wehrmacht will not go to serve in his quasi-state.

Kaminsky's victory in the center in a million-strong Moscow and with factories is the most logical outcome of the Muscovite collapse.
I like to draw analogies with John Smith (the head of the American Reich from the TV series The Man in the High Castle).
Kaminsky speaks on radio and television to the russians of Muscovy, declaring himself legal power and agitating all collaborators to join his forces in recapturing the territories of Muscovy from the hands of "bandits and separatists."
 
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