I wonder if Vasilevsky's faction might be remembered if only because of their war with Mengjiang and the possibility that their generals (including everyone's favorite medal boy) end up in the service of Rurik II later on?
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No. He has clearly hidden himself well enough that none of the factions can actually find him.
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I'd love for a TNO Komi EG.
If there was one, I'd make a monarchist character that is saner then the monarchist in Komi in TNO and wants Boris Skossyref because he's a personal friend of the character and because he would be obscure and he's in the game.
Here's a general outline of the character
Name: Alexander Nevtov
Age: August 22nd, 1920 (42) in Moscow, Soviet Union
Party: Passionariyy Organization "True" Monarchists)
Ideology: Despotism
Biography: A friend of the rightful Tsar, Tsar Boris, Alexander Nevtov's life went fast, his parents dead by 15, he joined the Red Army and sided with Vlasov and fought with him, until he joined "Tsar" Vladimir and went to Vytaka, living a boring life until he met the True Tsar, Tsar Boris. Following his meeting, he was kicked out of Vytaka and went to Komi, where he started the "True" Monarchist faction of the Passionariyy Organization, the one which is sane not the Monarchists who want a dead man as Tsar.
If there was one, I'd make a monarchist character that is saner then the monarchist in Komi in TNO and wants Boris Skossyref because he's a personal friend of the character and because he would be obscure and he's in the game.
Here's a general outline of the character
Name: Alexander Nevtov
Age: August 22nd, 1920 (42) in Moscow, Soviet Union
Party: Passionariyy Organization "True" Monarchists)
Ideology: Despotism
Biography: A friend of the rightful Tsar, Tsar Boris, Alexander Nevtov's life went fast, his parents dead by 15, he joined the Red Army and sided with Vlasov and fought with him, until he joined "Tsar" Vladimir and went to Vytaka, living a boring life until he met the True Tsar, Tsar Boris. Following his meeting, he was kicked out of Vytaka and went to Komi, where he started the "True" Monarchist faction of the Passionariyy Organization, the one which is sane not the Monarchists who want a dead man as Tsar.
Perm is one of the most important soviet industrial centers, it's a administrative center and it was the thirteen most populous city in Russia with 800 thousand people. According to wikipedia:
"In the 1930s, Perm grew as a major industrial city with aviation, shipbuilding, and chemical factories built during that period. During the Great Patriotic War (World War II), Perm was a vital center of artillery production in the Soviet Union. "
Furthermore, Mongolia is not a important nation in 1921, it had been under chinese control for centuries, it had just broken away, it was not recognized.
OTL it was one of the most important industrial centers in the Soviet Union, in TNO we have no evidence of that being the case, furthermore the bombings would have destroyed a great percentage of whatever industry it may had.
While we don't have the developers saying that specifically, we can imagint it is like this, I mean, you could argue that it was not if they said it was not.
Also, yes, the city starts ruined, it's on the AB description, but it works like a massive industrial concentration camp as the events describe, and still holds a population similar to OTL. Also every single city between RK muscovy and Omsk are bombed, not only perm.
I'd love for a TNO Komi EG.
If there was one, I'd make a monarchist character that is saner then the monarchist in Komi in TNO and wants Boris Skossyref because he's a personal friend of the character and because he would be obscure and he's in the game.
Here's a general outline of the character
Name: Alexander Nevtov
Age: August 22nd, 1920 (42) in Moscow, Soviet Union
Party: Passionariyy Organization "True" Monarchists)
Ideology: Despotism
Biography: A friend of the rightful Tsar, Tsar Boris, Alexander Nevtov's life went fast, his parents dead by 15, he joined the Red Army and sided with Vlasov and fought with him, until he joined "Tsar" Vladimir and went to Vytaka, living a boring life until he met the True Tsar, Tsar Boris. Following his meeting, he was kicked out of Vytaka and went to Komi, where he started the "True" Monarchist faction of the Passionariyy Organization, the one which is sane not the Monarchists who want a dead man as Tsar.
Who is this Tsar Boris people talk about?
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So basically Boris Skossyreff was a pretender to the Andorran throne, in TNO if Onega wins, he becomes "King" of the Principality of Vytaka.
Stuff like this is why I view LibSoc Sablin unification as canon and nobody can ever tell me otherwise.
Once it was asked on the KR thread how are their headcannon unifiers of the US civil war. Who are yours from TNO Russia?
Mine are:
Eastern Russia: Vyatka
Western Siberia: Sverdlovsk
Central Siberia: Rurik II
Eastern Siberia: Yagoda
Vyatka anschluss Sverdlovsky, yagoda stomps Rurik, Vyatka defeats Yagoda.
Mine are:
Eastern Russia: Vyatka
Western Siberia: Sverdlovsk
Central Siberia: Rurik II
Eastern Siberia: Yagoda
Vyatka anschluss Sverdlovsky, yagoda stomps Rurik, Vyatka defeats Yagoda.
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East Russia: Komi (Bukharina)
West Siberia: Omsk
Central Siberia: Siberian Black Army
Far East: Sablin
The Black Army peacefully unites with Sablin once they realize he isn't a tyrant like Yagoda that seeks to dismantle their anarchist society, and Omsk gets crushed by Bukharina. Bukharina and Sablin then peacefully unify.
I know I said in the past that Bukharina-Sablin unification was no longer my headcanon, but after actually playing as her, I realized that she was not as bad as I originally thought she was.
Presumably after Yeltsin was given a tour of the Vyatka distillery and told by Vladimir he can have all the vodka he wants if he agreed to annexation by Vyatka.
Nah, be like Semyonov and champion Paul Ilyinsky's claim to the Russian Throne!
So on another forum where TNO is being discussed - if anyone's familiar with the trope Unfortunate Implications, there's a user claiming that they found an example regarding Bukharin.
Their argument is that the particular PoD regarding Bukharin amounts to Stalinist apologia. With the many mistakes Bukharin makes in the backstory, there's an implication that Stalin would have won the war had he not been purged. The failure of the NEP is also seen as Stalinist apologia in justifying Stalin's command economy. They also claim that Holodomor apologia is present in the mod by extension. Essentially, the backstory surrounding Bukharin is unintentional Stalinist apologia, jarring for a mod that thoroughly denounces Stalinism via Kaganovich and fights against totalitarianism.
Counterarguments include that Bukharin has been shown to have become just as ruthless and purge-happy as Stalin regardless, that the Holodomor isn't mentioned in the mod, and that Bukharin was a focus of one PoD so FDR couldn't be elected. Furthermore, Turkey actually entered the war in TNOTL, which really affected the Soviet war effort.
It's getting pretty nasty over there, could you guys help weigh in?
Their argument is that the particular PoD regarding Bukharin amounts to Stalinist apologia. With the many mistakes Bukharin makes in the backstory, there's an implication that Stalin would have won the war had he not been purged. The failure of the NEP is also seen as Stalinist apologia in justifying Stalin's command economy. They also claim that Holodomor apologia is present in the mod by extension. Essentially, the backstory surrounding Bukharin is unintentional Stalinist apologia, jarring for a mod that thoroughly denounces Stalinism via Kaganovich and fights against totalitarianism.
Counterarguments include that Bukharin has been shown to have become just as ruthless and purge-happy as Stalin regardless, that the Holodomor isn't mentioned in the mod, and that Bukharin was a focus of one PoD so FDR couldn't be elected. Furthermore, Turkey actually entered the war in TNOTL, which really affected the Soviet war effort.
It's getting pretty nasty over there, could you guys help weigh in?
Way I see it, Bukharin could've shaped the Union up into a war-winning machine if he had an extra five years or so. This is partly depicted in-game by the Siberia Plan, which absolutely would've beaten the Reich through its sheer industrial output.
We can only really hope Tyumen's portrayal (and AuthSoc!Sablin's somewhat) discourages accusations of Stalinist bias, but eh.
Oh, and for that link, the page afterwards continues the debate, which is ongoing.
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