The Iron Eagle II - Days of Strife
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Especially as the Angriff is bound to hit Germany's scientific base like a truck due to the purges it entailed.
They first need to send someone there, but it would certainly fit the Nazis.
Honestly it would be funny if they built a whole rocket from scratch capable of reaching the Moon and sending it laughing all the way hoping that the pilot will personally place the nazi flag on the Moon and they do indeed place a flag, but it's Israel's flag, because the entire tripulation was composed of Mossad agents all along
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Considering all the treaties and stuff being conducted in Dublin, what is Ireland like ITTL with how they're the closest this world has to a neutral meeting spot?
Alcsentre Calanice
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So, first fo all, good to see a timeline putting some focus on Otto Ernst Remer, certainly an interesting figure of history!
As far as I know, Remer wasn't personally involved in crimes against humanity and war crimes – apart from fighting in the Wehrmacht – IOTL; however, by pure chance, he became one of the crucial figures on July 20th, 1944, turning the unit he commanded against Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators. The regime's propaganda subsequently inflated Remer's role and so he became der Verhinderer des 20. Julis – "the preventer of the 20th of July". His appearance certainly helped, as he conformed to the National-Socialist "Aryan" ideal. Out of gratitude, Hitler promoted him first to colonel and then to major general, thus becoming one of the youngest generals of the Wehrmacht.
However, this was mainly the work of circumstances and of pure chance. Before July 20th, Remer apparently hadn't been a particularly political person, just a very committed German officer. After July 20th, he was somewhat of a National-Socialist celebrity. The German defeat in 1945 put a (temporary) end to his career. After his release from allied capitivity, he became a mason (cf. this image). He soon found a new occupation, which he probably found more dignifying for a highly decorated German officer: he took part in the foundation of a far-right party, the Sozialistische Reichspartei (SRP – "Socialist Reich Party"). He was neither the party's leader nor the brain behind it, but certainly its most prominent member. His speeches attracted large audiences, probably often out of sheer curiosity. He became famous for repeatedly insulting the July 20th conspirators in his speeches and promising to put the surviving ones on trial if his party ever came to power (again). His new-found celebrity didn't last long though, as his career was once against cut-short, this time by him being sentenced to three months of prison for his insults (here he is turning himself in to serve his prison sentence in the Oldenburg penitentiary) and his party getting banned in 1952. Up to this date, the SRP is one of only two parties ever being banned in post-war Germany.
Remer lived on, dying in in 1997 at the age of 85. After the dissolution of his party, he worked as a military adviser to Arab governments and continued to agitate for far-right causes. The German justice charged him with a variety of crimes, including insulting the July 20th plotters and Holocaust denial. Short of money, he also had to take up other activities, including selling infrared heaters in 1950s Germany.
Reading about him gives me the impression that he was a committed officer, ready to obey orders, and that he certainly adopted a lot of the NSDAP's antisemitism; however, he apparently had neither political finesse nor outstanding intellectual abilities. It's doubtful whether he could actually have made it to the top of the party. It's also doubtful whether he could have gained the sympathies of someone like Goebbels, who thought himself as highly intelligent and sophisticated, or Speer. But you seem to have found a way to make him Führer by putting him in a chaotic situation comparable to OTL's July 20th. Well done!
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On that note, Remer was supposedly connected to von Leers (the same one who became Goebbels' Foreign Minister after he purged Ludin ITTL) while he was working with Arab governments.
Doubt it, it's highly implied that most of the Russian gear ITTL is based/influenced on/by Anglo-American designs (and copious amounts of actual Anglo-American equipment).
Im unsure, Wernher von Braun was young and enthusiastic, a cold-blooded idealist, fascinated by the dynamics of rocket fire. In this he saw the energy that would take people beyond all boundaries into the universe and to other stars. He got the knowledge from the book "The Rocket to Planetary Dreams" by Hermann Oberth, in conjunction with his engineering studies at the Technical University of Berlin.
He used the opportunities the military offered him for his own purposes: rocket research. And the National Socialists used the talent of this ambitious young researcher for their own purposes: the development of a miracle weapon.
Wernher von Braun was the model of the apolitical scientist. Who lived by the lie that science and politics were separate worlds. His notes show that until 1945 he was unable to see that he was merely a means to an end for the Wehrmacht. ( a protective mechanism for his own physical health would i mean)
In 1933, when Hitler came to power, Wernher von Braun became a member of the SS.(propably IOTL) With the same consistency with which he had learned basic mathematics, he already understood as a student that rocket technology, as he had practiced it at the rocket airfield in Tegel (and as it had been used in the German Reich since 1930, = as a kind of artillery rocket), would never lead to the stars. Even back then he was full of energy, had an eye for what was important and the ability to completely convince others.
After Hitler's death, he quickly seized the opportunity to defect to the Americans. He immediately told them: "My country has lost two world wars. This time I want to be on the victor's side." Later, some accused him of his opportunism, as the great power made it possible for him. The Americans made it easy for him to forget. Questions about the physicist's responsibility were not raised with any consequence that would have jeopardized his professional career. Von Braun's knowledge and skills were obviously too valuable for the Americans to pass up. ( which Shows that he was way more interested in space than ideology)
The theory that science and technology are neutral and apolitical ultimately turns out to be a mere protective claim.
i think he could have survived, but im unsure if His more pragmatic and distant relationship zum Nationalsozialismus would bring him into crossfire. Exspecualy if göbbels is looking after ghosts to burn behind every corner. And a distant non fanatic member in rocket research... that would point a big crosshair over his head. I personally think it would be 50 50, because i think Braun would have more sided with Speer instead of göbbels and göbbels knows that.
"Well of course, every true aryan knows that the moon is the perfect habitat for the german race" - Insert Fuhrer Here
The living space on earth is exhausted! Let's get our own living space in space like my grandfather did conquered it on earth.!
~ grandchild of AH and son of Klara, Führer des Großgermanischen Reiches and Leader of all Arien nations, 1990 to the Inauguration of the first self-sufficient settlement on the moon.
Exspecially the reactions of the allied powers and the non allies states.
The question would be, would germsny own the moon, or would that claim be fought by other great powers.
Nazis: the moon is ours!
Usa: i dont think so.
Nazis: one subhuman on the moon and will shot him down with an atomic bomb!
Usa: you wouldn't be that cracy.
Germany: .....1....
Usa: oh please!
Germany: ...2....
Usa: ...........
Some russian guy: 3! 3! Let us kill some germans!