The Great Siberian Tangle: Who can own Siberia

[Ashtagon]

OTL, Moscow has held hegemony over Siberia since the 17th century. Before that, to the extent that anyone held a hegemony over Siberia, it was the Mongols. Before them, it was essentially fragmented.

ATLs generally present Siberia as Moscow-run. The next most common seems to be either local fragmented/tribal governments (as it was through much of ancient history), or Mongol-run, or China-run.

Fragmented government in the region seems to rely on either being pre-technology and lacking effective long-distance transport and communication, or post-apocalypse and such technology either being broken, unreliable, or unsafe to use.

What plausible ways are there that Siberia could either be locally-run as a unified body (either locally-run as in Siberia proper, or by a Mongol state separate from China), or as a series of independent states? The core problem seems to be that while it is quite resource-rich, it is very population-poor.

 

[Nivek]

OTL, Moscow has held hegemony over Siberia since the 17th century. Before that, to the extent that anyone held a hegemony over Siberia, it was the Mongols. Before them, it was essentially fragmented.

ATLs generally present Siberia as Moscow-run. The next most common seems to be either local fragmented/tribal governments (as it was through much of ancient history), or Mongol-run, or China-run.

Fragmented government in the region seems to rely on either being pre-technology and lacking effective long-distance transport and communication, or post-apocalypse and such technology either being broken, unreliable, or unsafe to use.

What plausible ways are there that Siberia could either be locally-run as a unified body (either locally-run as in Siberia proper, or by a Mongol state separate from China), or as a series of independent states? The core problem seems to be that while it is quite resource-rich, it is very population-poor.

Siberia is either China or Russia....unless you superwank the mongols somehow, Japan could be with some bizarre weird POD

 

[Cregan]

Japan could set up a puppet Siberian state as a buffer against the Bolsheviks after the Russian Civil War. They tried and failed to do this IOTL, but ITTL their Siberian puppet state could survive, they just need a local client more competent and less rapacious than Grigory Semenyov.

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

OTL, Moscow has held hegemony over Siberia since the 17th century. Before that, to the extent that anyone held a hegemony over Siberia, it was the Mongols. Before them, it was essentially fragmented.

ATLs generally present Siberia as Moscow-run. The next most common seems to be either local fragmented/tribal governments (as it was through much of ancient history), or Mongol-run, or China-run.

Fragmented government in the region seems to rely on either being pre-technology and lacking effective long-distance transport and communication, or post-apocalypse and such technology either being broken, unreliable, or unsafe to use.

What plausible ways are there that Siberia could either be locally-run as a unified body (either locally-run as in Siberia proper, or by a Mongol state separate from China), or as a series of independent states? The core problem seems to be that while it is quite resource-rich, it is very population-poor.

Wouldn't this question be better suited to the Before 1900 board?

By the year 1900 there's already enough Russians east of the Urals that it's hard to see anyone else holding Siberia.

 

[Gabingston]

OTL, Moscow has held hegemony over Siberia since the 17th century. Before that, to the extent that anyone held a hegemony over Siberia, it was the Mongols. Before them, it was essentially fragmented.

ATLs generally present Siberia as Moscow-run. The next most common seems to be either local fragmented/tribal governments (as it was through much of ancient history), or Mongol-run, or China-run.

Fragmented government in the region seems to rely on either being pre-technology and lacking effective long-distance transport and communication, or post-apocalypse and such technology either being broken, unreliable, or unsafe to use.

What plausible ways are there that Siberia could either be locally-run as a unified body (either locally-run as in Siberia proper, or by a Mongol state separate from China), or as a series of independent states? The core problem seems to be that while it is quite resource-rich, it is very population-poor.

The Nazis win WW2 and achieve their dystopia of genociding all of Eastern Europe. A Russian state (whether Communist, Tsarist or Republican) survives in Siberia, which has absorbed millions of Russians (and other Slavs) fleeing Eastern Europe and has recovered to become a regional power in its own right. The Capital is Novosibirksk, the population is around 60-80 Million depending on how many refugees made it, and the border along the Urals with The Third Reich resembles OTL's DMZ between North and South Korea, only on a much larger scale.

 

[Dr. Hochmeister]

A stronger Transoxianan state could lead to a more developed and settled Siberia, or be an alternate owner of it.

 

[Monk78]

If Logistics were bad in European ussr in mid 20 th century cannot imagine the nightmare they would be in Siberia