I've never commented before, but the writing in that last section was simply exquisite. I am a little curious as to why with a POD in the 1812 War, there is such a focus on this little episode.

Mumby

I wasn't taking it as a criticism, but since the POD was at New Orleans the fairly long coverage of this point is quite a difference so think its a valid comment. [Whether LP thinks the same way? ;) although I suspect he does].

Steve

Thank you, Mumby.

The reason I'm going into so much detail about the Caroline affair is that it's a very complicated business, with several different would-be masterminds (Castlereagh, Brougham, Talleyrand) trying to influence the outcome, and it's having an impact on the politics and society of one of the world's major powers.

Louisiana and the United States are both pretty stable at the moment, so there's less to tell. There's also that war going on in the Ottoman Empire, but I'll get to that.
 
I wasn't criticising. Its actually quite fascinating to read about such a stark division in society which has now been forgotten. Also, I had Charlotte survive in my TL so I'm wondering whether I ought to have changed anything considering what I'm reading here.

The biggest difference is that in your TL George turned his life around, which made it much easier for Charlotte to forgive him.
 
The biggest difference is that in your TL George turned his life around, which made it much easier for Charlotte to forgive him.

True, though that was brought on by a rather spurious conversion to Sikhism. While your TL is much more realistic. He could really be a bitter twisted sod and that was when things were going well.
 

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I've been putting this off for a while now, but better late than never, right? :)

All right, so let me lay it out: I'm currently taking a Romantic poets course at college, focused on Wordsworth and Shelley, and one of the first things the professor did was state emphatically how important politics was for Shelley.

OTL Shelley wrote a famous Address bemoaning all the attention paid to the death of Princess Charlotte at the expense of three men hanged by the government. He also berated Wordsworth for his sudden turn to Toryism and admiration of Edmund Burke.

Now, considering TTL's Italy is probably not the best place for Shelley to settle down with his family, and also that Byron's daugher with Claire Claremont OTL was placed in Italy... what exactly is Percy Bysshe Shelley doing right now? :)
 
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I've been putting this off for a while now, but better late than never, right? :)

All right, so let me lay it out: I'm currently taking a Romantic poets course at college, focused on Wordsworth and Shelley, and one of the first things the professor did was state emphatically how important politics was for Shelley.

OTL Shelley wrote a famous Addres bemoaning all the attention paid to the death of Princess Charlotte at the expense of three men hanged by the government. He also berated Wordsworth for his sudden turn to Toryism and admiration of Edmund Burke.

Now, considering TTL's Italy is probably not the best place for Shelley to settle down with his family, and also that Byron's daugher with Claire Claremont OTL was placed in Italy... what exactly is Percy Bysshe Shelley doing right now? :)

As of the summer of 1820, he, Keats and Byron are still in Florence, finishing Italy Reborn. I think once that's done, the Shelleys will move to Paris for a few years before going back to the U.K. ("Live Jacobins in their Native Habitat!" would be hard to resist.) At some point he's going realize that the French establishment has co-opted the revolutionaries, but in the meantime, there's all sorts of interesting people he could meet — the Bertins, young Balzac, younger Victor Hugo…
 
As of the summer of 1820, he, Keats and Byron are still in Florence, finishing Italy Reborn. I think once that's done, the Shelleys will move to Paris for a few years before going back to the U.K. ("Live Jacobins in their Native Habitat!" would be hard to resist.) At some point he's going realize that the French establishment has co-opted the revolutionaries, but in the meantime, there's all sorts of interesting people he could meet — the Bertins, young Balzac, younger Victor Hugo…

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That does suggest he will be moving away from the sea, which could be very good for his health.;)

Steve
 
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While we're all waiting for M. St.-Leger to take the stand, here's a couple of updates on life outside the U.K.


Tuesday, July 18, 1820
11 a.m.
St. Petersburg

Tsar Alexander eyed his foreign minister carefully. "So, the Italians are behind all this trouble in the Balkans, you say?"

"Certainly, Your Majesty, they have taken full advantage of an unstable situation," said Ioannis Kapodistrias. "We do not yet know whether they are doing this of their own initiative or as part of some plot of Talleyrand's, but we can see the results. In the past three months, the Sultan's forces have made only modest gains in Wallachia and been completely stymied in the west, and they were unable to protect their Algerine allies from a sound thrashing by the French and their allies."

"You sound like a man proposing something," said the tsar. "Let us hear it."

"Your Majesty, at the very hour in which the Ottoman Empire trembles on the edge of ruin, Castlereagh finds himself distracted as he never was before and most likely never will be again. It seems to me that God is granting Mother Russia a rare opportunity to strengthen herself among the nations." These days, Kapodistrias knew, speaking of God's will and God's plan was a good way to get the tsar's attention.

"If you mean Constantinople," said Alexander, "I suspect that however distracted Castlereagh may be, if we make a move in that direction he will quickly focus his attention where it belongs."

"Nothing so extravagant, Your Majesty. But Serbia may become a Russian ally, instead of a Turkish vassal. Moldavia, Wallachia, and perhaps even Bulgaria and Armenia may become new principalities within our empire. And if Greece wins its independence as much through our aid as through Italy's, perhaps it will be favorably disposed to an alliance with us. I would certainly do all that is within my power to bring about such an end."

"Earlier, your advice was to wait and see how the rebels fared before taking any action," said Alexander. "Do you believe we have now seen enough?"

"Your Majesty, I would not care to say yet how the rebellions would end, left to themselves," said Kapodistrias carefully, "but my purpose in that advice was to avoid open war. We needn't engage the Turks openly — rather, we can quietly arm and train rebels just as Italy is doing. If Mustafa wins anyway, we have lost very little. If his empire continues to disintegrate, Metternich and Castlereagh will beg you to intervene openly so as to preserve some sort of order.

"And the best part? If we know Italy is intervening, then by now so does Metternich — and so will Castlereagh, as soon as he can tear himself away from this risible business of the British queen. It will be some time before they begin to suspect us as well."

The tsar smiled. "Very well," he said. "You have convinced me."
 
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At Carême's of Trafalgar, I spent more money than I would care to admit on a meal of conch soup, grilled marlin with jamburghee[1] and morel salad dressed with nimbooghee and rice vinegar, with a dessert of fresh-picked lychees and lime custard. As I ate, I remembered my mother's much simpler cooking — the breakfasts of sweet callakeer[2] sprinkled with cinnamon, dinners of hot mickasookee stew[3] served on gora noodles, and on special occasions, jerked mutton baked in the old tandoor and served with whashenghee[4]. Like all great cuisines, Florida cooking had its origin not in the kitchens of master chefs, but in those of peasant women doing the best they could with the ingredients and skills they possessed.

And it would be hard to think of a better selection of ingredients. Though the climate was unsuitable for the cereals that had sustained the Western world for all its history, many useful vegetables would grow here, including onions, carrots, celery, tomatoes and several varieties of potato. The Muscogees and Seminoles brought with them the classic trinity of beans, squash and maize, and knew how to treat the maize with lime to bring out its full nutritive value. The Hindus, Balinese and Malays, who began coming in 1817, brought rice, yams, taro and many spices. In 1820, the first Cantonese came, bringing the seeds of Chinese vegetables.

As for meat, cattle were mostly owned by Hindus, who of course used them only for milk. However, there was chicken, turkey, goat, fish from the ocean and the occasional bit of waterfowl or venison. (If you weren't Jewish or Muslim, there was also pork.) In 1820 Stamford Raffles had a herd of meat sheep imported from Barbados.[5]

Soon afterward, the orchards and apiaries that were the colony's true raison d'etre[6] began to bear fruit. As honey, perfume and preserved oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, persimmons and red bananas were exported back to the British Isles, the honey and fruit also began showing up on the tables of Floridians.

In the hot, muggy climate of Florida, once milk had been obtained it was quickly turned into clarified butter and milk solids. Since few possessed the proper tools to bottle ghee without moisture and keep it airtight, the precious stuff had to be preserved in other ways — with honey, rum and salt. Soon, cooks of many nationalities began combining this with spices and various fruits, or with caramelized onion and garlic, to create the sauces which became such a distinctive part of Florida cooking.

Michael Sidhu, A Culinary History of North America


[1] Spicy grapefruit sauce.
[2] A sort of pudding or porridge made from rice, bananas and toasted milk solids.
[3] A stew made chiefly from beans, squash and tomatoes, thickened with corn flour.
[4] Spicy peanut sauce.
[5] The Barbados Blackbelly, a slow-growing but hardy breed.
[6] Well, okay, they weren't the reason the colony was founded, but they are the reason it will start offering a return on investment.
 
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A couple of good updates on events elsewhere while the royal fiasco keeps Britain distracted.

The problem I see with the Czar's plan is that aid to rebels will only be effective if in sizable amounts, at least as much as the Italians are sending, and if the rebels know where its come from. Otherwise while it might weaken the Porte it can't win Russia friends and influence. And of course if the rebels know their being backed by Russia that isn't going to be a secret long. [Or possibly he means it will be partially deniable, albeit that no one will believe the denials?]

Florida is developing a very interesting culture. While Britain hasn't yet ended slavery elements like the Muscogees and Seminoles are prominent along with Indians [eastern] and Chinese. I think none of those would be happy with a US take-over, while I suspect the local southern whites are looking rather shocked as to what's happening there so I think it could end up developing into a pretty secure colony, at least for the moment.

Steve
 
The next update is coming some time tonight.

It occurs to me that, thanks to my erratic posting and the complicated storyline, some of my readers may have lost the thread of the Caroline affair. Rereading these posts may help prepare you for what's about to happen.

Sir Thomas Henry Browne, International Man of Mystery
Further Adventures of the Secret Agent Man
The Liturgy Mess, and the Resulting Family Dysfunction
Talleyrand Puts In His Two Centimes' Worth
Debate Begins in Parliament
Social Tension Builds

(Oh, and this TL now has an entry on the wiki, and will soon have a version in the Finished section covering 1814-1819. Now all I need is a TV Tropes page, and my world will be complete.)
 
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Wednesday, July 19
10:30 a.m.
The House of Lords, Westminster

Queen Caroline had stayed at the Hamiltons' Portman Square residence today. She had said she couldn't stand the thought of being in the same room with Aloïse St.-Leger while the woman betrayed her. Brougham hoped this wouldn't be taken as a sign of a guilty conscience.

Unlike M. Jeannot, St.-Leger spoke very little English, and needed an interpreter. From Brougham's point of view, this mostly served to prolong the agony. St.-Leger was saying that Caroline had openly told her that she and Pergami were lovers, and had, in fact, described their lovemaking.

And that wasn't all. She said she had seen Pergami entering Caroline's bedroom after hours nearly every night. She had sat outside the bedroom to keep others from approaching, and had heard the sounds of their intercourse. Those sounds had been loud and passionate. She had seen both of them in a state of dishabille, with the smell of sweat hanging in the air.

(What added an extra dash of pain to this whole experience was that Lady Anne Hamilton had come. From where he was sitting Brougham could clearly hear the aging maiden repeating every salacious word spoken by the interpreter, out loud, to her nearly-deaf brother Archibald.)

This, Brougham reminded himself, was not the end of the world. After all, St.-Leger was another one of their paid witnesses. She could still be discredited on those grounds. Of course, he would have only the one chance to cross-examine her, since she and Jeannot were to be escorted back to France after today… but that was pretty suspicious in itself, wasn't it?

And now St.-Leger was telling everyone more things Caroline had allegedly told her. "Her Majesty said Pergami was the best lover she had ever known," she said.

"The best," said Lord Gifford. "Of how many?"

"Many. A dozen or more. She has known many men. Before her wedding, and after it as well. She said…" Here the interpreter stopped, because St.-Leger had stopped. The witness shut her eyes and took several deep breaths. She seemed to be working up the nerve for something.

Then she turned to where the Princess was sitting and said:

"Pardonnez-moi, Princess, mais votre père est George Canning!"

The translator stood there blinking, his mouth hanging open. But that didn't matter — virtually everyone in the room had enough French to understand what she had just said.
 
That seems like a bit of a bridge too far, going off the word of one foreigner anyway. I mean, might not stop Dear old George from using it, but...
 
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Shortly after 3 p.m.
The Hamilton residence, London

When the servant escorted Charlotte Augusta into the drawing-room, little Leo took one look at his mother's face and immediately hid himself against his grandmother's skirts.

The princess had a hard time blaming him. Feelings of rage, horror and humiliation had been hammering at her since midmorning. Sometimes they had come one at a time, sometimes in quick succession, and sometimes they had mixed inside her like ugly shades of paint to form entirely new emotions. The worst part was not knowing how she should feel — about her mother, about what she had heard, about anything.

Well, at least she knew how to feel about the Cub. She managed to contort her face into something resembling a pleasant smile, then picked him up, cuddled him and reassured him that he had nothing to fear. Then the Leo and a few of the servants took the Cub upstairs.

Charlotte turned to her mother. "Forgive me," she said, rather calmly under the circumstances, "but I simply must ask. My father is George of Hanover, correct? Not George Canning?"

Caroline stood there blinking, her mouth hanging open. There was a lot of that going around.

"Good heavens!" she finally said. "Is that what that woman told you?"

"That is what that woman told everybody."

"Well, it's a lie! I knew she was a liar, but I wasn't expecting that! Canning was never more than a friend!"

Charlotte said nothing. Her mother sounded sincere, but it would have helped if she hadn't said exactly the same thing about Pergami.

Caroline seemed to sense that she was being doubted. "Think, girl!" she said. "I was married to the King of England! Maybe he wasn't much in bed for a man who'd had more women than King Solomon, but do you think I would have jeopardized such a position on that account — to say nothing of my life?" She turned to Brougham. "I hope you made mincemeat of that lying wench in cross-examination."

"I did not," said Brougham, looking unusually displeased with himself. "I did what I could, but she stuck to her story and I could find no contradictions in it. Lord Ellenborough asked whether the Queen had ever consummated your marriage at all, and if so, how she could possibly know who the father was. The witness said 'A woman knows these things'."

Charlotte shook her head. "We are as much beings of flesh and blood as men are," she said. "We have no such magical powers. Any road, it is not enough to say I might be the king's daughter. There must be no doubt."

"I would very much like to question her again," said Brougham. "The plan is for her to be taken back to France tonight, but I can't quite believe Sidmouth would go through with it after such an extraordinary allegation."
 
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Hellfire! That is going to bedevil things even more. Especially since there is now doubt about the legitimacy of the accepted heir to the throne. Given the technology of the time, unless St.-Leger is forced to retract in a way that people find believable, there's no way of proving or disproving her allegations.

Is George so enraged/desperate that he is willing to reject his own daughter or is this something that has come up without his knowledge?

Given how unpopular he is I suspect most people will reject such allegations but the problem is mud sticks so there is bound to be some lasting damage even if the king loses this case. Could be some very unstable times ahead for Britain.:(

Steve
 
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Hellfire! That is going to bedevil things even more. Especially since there is now doubt about the legitimacy of the accepted heir to the throne. Given the technology of the time, unless St.-Leger is forced to retract in a way that people find believable, there's no way of proving or disproving her allegations.

Is George so enraged/desperate that he is willing to reject his own daughter or is this something that has come up without his knowledge?

Given how unpopular he is I suspect most people will reject such allegations but the problem is mud sticks so there is bound to be some lasting damage even if the king loses this case. Could be some very unstable times ahead for Britain.:(

Steve

That about sums it up.
 
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George might have forgiven Charlotte her political radicalism — he had held such sentiments once himself. But in an emotional sense, he had disowned his daughter as soon as she took up her mother's cause. In his mind, the fight between them had taken on a Manichean quality. Everyone in the kingdom was either on his side, or on hers — especially the family.

There was, perhaps (this is largely speculative) more to it than that. If Caroline had drowned in a shipwreck or been killed in Italy, it is difficult to imagine that Charlotte would not at some point have made an effort to reconcile with her father — if for no other reason than the fact that it was unseemly for the king and his heir to be so publicly at odds. But even in this hypothetical case there would have been one problem remaining between them. In Othello, Iago said of Cassio that "He hath a daily beauty in his life/That makes me ugly" — one of many brief lines in which the Bard encapsulated a great deal of psychological insight. If the king had possessed the self-awareness of a Shakespearean stage villain, he might have said something similar about his own daughter. Without even saying a word to him, she would have reproached him simply by existing and being who she was.

Not that she was an ideal woman by Georgian standards. She was willful, opinionated and in her own way as rebellious as he had been. But unlike him, she had made a good thing for herself out of rebellion. After refusing to wed the prince of the Netherlands or the Duke of Gloucester, she had acted on her own initiative and captured a magnificent and highly suitable spouse — something that neither George nor many of his siblings had managed to do. And now she had a little family of her own, with a separate allowance, and no longer needed her father for anything.

Pointless as it may seem to attempt to reconstruct what was going on in the king's mind and soul, it is the only way to even attempt to understand his actions…
Bertrand Martineau and P.G. Sherman, The Great Scheme



Wednesday, July 19
Shortly after 5 p.m.
Lord Sidmouth's office, London

"He told you to do what?" said Wellington.

"To put Jeannot and St.-Leger on a carriage to Deptford, where the ship that brought them here was still waiting," said Sidmouth. "So I did. By now they should be well down the Thames and heading for open sea. Such was the agreement."

"Such was the agreement before she called into question the legitimacy of the heir to the throne! Rather an important point, don't you think?"

"I quite agree. However, she has already given her testimony on the matter, and she had nothing to gain by lying. The next step — His Majesty is in firm agreement on this — is to recall Mr. Canning from the Continent, and of course to ask questions of Caroline herself."

"What of those who were servants in Carlton House during the first few months of the royal marriage?" said Robert Peel.

"Of course, them as well," said Sidmouth. "The point is that there is nothing more to be gained by questioning Jeannot or St.-Leger further, and some danger that the Radicals may pressure them into a recantation. Or simply murder them — I needn't remind you how many threats our witnesses have been subjected to."

"Nonetheless," said Wellington, "it would be basic prudence to have her available for later questions."

"I was following His Majesty's orders." Sidmouth was sounding more and more agitated.

"He's the King of England, not the Tsar of All the Russias," said Wellington. "You could have spoken to Liverpool or Castlereagh, or simply acted on your—"

"Damn it all, do you want that Jacobin girl on the throne?"

Wellington was stunned into a momentary silence.

"Forgive me, Your Grace," said Sidmouth, visibly struggling to regain his composure. "But it seems to me that ever since the princess reached her majority and the old king died, England has hung by the thread of one man's life — and him not the youngest of men. Here we have a chance to avert catastrophe… and the Duke of Clarence does have a legitimate son now."

Although Wellington would have laid down his life in defense of the rights of the House of Hanover, there were very few in that House whom he liked or respected. In fact, he thought the current king and his brothers were a load of damned millstones around the government's neck. As for Charlotte Augusta, Wellington had long suspected that she would prove to be at least as bad as her mother. He anticipated her eventual ascent to the throne in much the same way that he anticipated his own eventual demise — as an unfortunate fact of life which it didn't do to dwell on too much.

"If we don't recall her, it would be as good as saying we take today's testimony at face value," said Peel. "Or that we'll take any ready excuse to disinherit the Princess in favor of her infant cousin. Brougham will say so at once — he's arrogant, conniving and power-hungry, but I've never yet heard him called blind or stupid. He's a dangerously clever man."

Wellington, who'd had a certain amount of experience being at cross-purposes with a dangerously clever man, nodded his head. "'Dangerously clever'… that describes the entire opposition rather well," he said, and turned to Sidmouth.

"Do you know why I am a Conservative?" he said. "Why I hate the Radicals? They want to upend every tradition, tear down and rebuild every institution, because they think they're so brilliant they can do a better job of it than all the generations of our ancestors put together… and they're wrong. I thought you understood that, sir. But to push aside the heir to the throne because we don't like her politics, and replace her with an infant who for all we know might grow up to be worse… I can think of a good many words for that, but 'conservative' isn't any of them."

Sidmouth looked a little abashed at this. "Well," he said at last, "the deed is done."
 
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This is amazing. Hope Charlotte gets discarded and there is a civil war.

PulkitNahata

That is the worse case scenario, although it might not last too long given the degree of anger there is likely to be against George IV. However whatever happens there is going to be a festering sore here. Wellington may be a reactionary idiot when it comes to politics but he hit the nail on the head here.

Steve
 
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