"I am a Secret Agent!" (1)
About this next post — historians don't seem to agree on whether the "Col. Browne" connected with the OTL Milan Commission was James Browne or Thomas Henry Browne. My own research makes me think it was the latter.

Oh, and I did consider naming the ship Otarie, but I went with… well, you'll see.



In 1817, shortly after the disaster at Middelbeers, Sir Thomas Henry Browne arrived in Paris as secretary to the ambassador Sir Charles Stuart (not to be confused with Viscount Castlereagh’s younger half-brother Sir Charles Stewart, Marquess of Londonderry, whose secretary Browne had been at Vienna). Sir Charles Stuart was in Paris to begin negotiating a truce between Britain and France, which would hold until the Congress of Stockholm began next year. Browne, it soon became clear, was here on a different mission.

Given the details of Browne’s life prior to his arrival in Paris, it is difficult to believe that he could have been the blundering incompetent he would later be depicted as. Born in 1787, he had been a soldier for most of his adult life, and had served against Denmark as a colour-bearer in the Gunboat War, and against the French in the West Indies and the Peninsula, earning steady promotions until he reached the rank of lieutenant colonel. At Vittoria he had been captured, but he later escaped. in 1814 he was created Knight Commander of the Royal Guelphic Order, and in 1815 he was made aide-de-camp to Lord Stewart, thus entering him in the world of international diplomacy.

Many, however, considered him ill-suited to the role of a secret agent. “He is said to be a person of no ability, of great imprudence and indiscretion, and likely to get into scrapes,” wrote one diarist. (It should be noted that Stewart himself had a similar reputation.) His mission was not helped by the fact that the Moniteur’s editorial page was regularly enjoining its readers, especially those in position to know important secrets, to beware of British spies — and giving them advice on how those spies might be recognized. Browne, with his constant attempts to befriend the servants in the Bonaparte household, could hardly have been more obvious. Minister of Foreign Affairs Armand de Caulaincourt mused to Talleyrand (now serving the ministry in an advisory role) that this Englishman might have been sent as a distraction, “to draw our attention away from more professional espionage attempts.”

Browne’s actions might have placed him in physical danger, if Fouché and Carnot had not given strict orders to the gendarmerie and the fédérés that no member of the British embassy was to be arrested, harmed or interfered with in any way — not even “M. Browne, l’espion anglais.” Carnot made sure to give these orders to each troop of fédérés in the capital, and to give the message to Jacobin Party leaders as well. This was necessary, as the fédérés were (as one observer put it) “half sheepdog and half wolf” and required a good deal of supervision.

So great did Browne’s notoriety in Paris become that at one point in the spring of 1818 a group of students from the Sorbonne (one of them a young Honoré de Balzac) decided to play a practical joke on him. They disguised themselves as sailors, arranged a “chance” meeting with him, claimed to serve aboard the French first-rate warship Lion de la Mer and invited him for a drink. Over their wine, they gossiped loudly about the imminent French invasion of the British Isles, relating fanciful details probably invented by Balzac himself.

Skeptical but nonetheless concerned, Browne wrote to Edward Pellew, recently created Viscount Exmouth and appointed Commander-in-Chief, Plymouth, inquiring as to whether there might be any truth to this. The great naval officer assured him in reply that the Royal Navy continued to hold absolute control of the English Channel and the Bay of Biscay: that the French had nothing like the naval capacity required to effect an invasion at the present time; that if such an invasion were to be attempted, it would require immense movement of manpower and resources that could not be possibly hidden from British espionage; that no such preparations had been observed; that there was no record of any first-rate named the “Lion de la Mer”; and that someone was probably having a jape at his expense.

At this point, some spies would have considered this assignment to be hopelessly compromised. But to Browne, the suspicion he was under represented a sort of success — if everyone thought he was spying on behalf of the Foreign Office, then no one knew his true mission…


…Their true identities are lost to history. We know them only by the names with which Prince Lucien, the radical of the Regency, introduced them to Caroline of Brunswick — “Gaetan Jeannot” and “Aloïse St.-Leger.” Jeannot is described as being a “smallish, dark-haired man with a thin mustache, as undistinguished from his fellows as a cobblestone in the street” and St. Leger as “a stout, handsome woman with graying hair.”

They entered into Caroline’s service shortly after Lucien moved her household into the Chateau d’Issy, and quickly won her trust and favour. St. Leger was her constant companion for days at a time, accompanying her on her many visits to the orphanages of France. However, she was able to be excused from time to time by claiming to have a natural-born daughter whose family required occasional assistance. Jeannot, who seemed to have the connections in Paris to purchase foodstuffs and luxury goods at bargain prices, served as a factor. He met the princess only occasionally, but came and went as he pleased, virtually invisible.

In short, these two were well-positioned to gather information within Caroline’s household while escaping the watchful eye of Pergami. Late that year, they made their first surreptitious contact with Browne, who was delighted to find that they were only too happy to sell the secrets of their mistress for a price…

Bertrand Martineau and P.G. Sherman, The Great Scheme
 
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Its things like this that actually make me wish I knew more of French history. Never thought I'd say that in my life :rolleyes:

I'm not even sure that would help. This is a very different France from the France of the Bourbon Restoration.

I think some time soon I should do a post just to describe the government of France, now that it isn't about to be overthrown.
 
"I am a Secret Agent!" (2)
A Quick Guide to the French Government

In fact, why not now?


The Regency Council
This group will fulfill all the duties of the Emperor until March 20, 1832, the day Napoleon II turns 21. These duties include appointing judges and members of the Chamber of Peers, one of the houses of the French legislature. (They are also members of the Chamber, of course.)

In order to exercise their power, they have to form a quorum and vote. This will be easier with peace at hand — the generals on the Council will be available. (Although Masséna is dying and won’t last the year.)


The Chamber of Peers
Appointed for life. There’s no limit to how many of them there can be, but there aren’t that many yet. Most of them are marshals who did well in the war, or cronies of one of the Council members that the other members were willing to support.


The Chamber of Deputies
These are the elected representatives. The Act Additional of 1815 sets the number, but this would have to be rewritten to reflect the fact that France has gotten bigger since then. They are elected to five-year terms, and one-fifth of them stand for re-election every year. (So there are no off years. This legislative body will have to figure out how to work and campaign at the same time.)

Some of the deputies don’t come from a department, but from “Industry and manufacturing and commercial property.” Think of it like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce having its own congressional delegation (I know — “how could you tell?”) I think for some time to come, France will be laissez-faire rather than dirigiste.


The Political Parties
France at the moment has more political freedom than most of Europe, but not as much as the United Kingdom or the United States.

The three political parties are the Liberals, the Conservatives and the Jacobins. Liberals are about half the Chamber of Deputies, Conservatives are a little more than a third and Jacobins are a little less than a sixth. (The numbers fluctuate from one election to the next.)

The Conservatives are… not royalists, they swear. Title VI, the part of the Act Additional that guarantees the rights of Frenchmen, is explicit that this does not include the right to advocate for the return of the old kings. The Liberals and Jacobins were able to force them to concede this. (Also, if you want to start a really nasty fight among the Conservatives, bring up the Bourbon/Orleanist split. They get downright intense about it… when no one else is listening.)

At first glance, the Liberal Party, with its fédérés and the secret police, seems to be well on its way towards turning France into a one-party authoritarian state. But Joseph Fouché, the Minister of Police, answers to the Regency Council, not to any political party. (Actually, Fouché mostly answers to Fouché.) As for the fédérés, although their organization is part of the Liberal Party apparatus and Carnot is officially in charge, most of them are actually Jacobins. (Never outsource your brownshirts, people.) So the Conservatives are numerous enough that the Liberals can’t suppress them without restarting the civil war, and they can’t suppress the Jacobins without breaking their own teeth, so to speak.

On the other hand, they might not need to. As long as the Liberals can hold on to a plurality of the vote, they can find a few Conservatives or Jacobins willing to join a coalition. The only thing that could dislodge them from power would be a coalition of Conservatives and Jacobins. This would be a good place to insert a picture of a flight of winged pigs silhouetted by a blue moon over the snowy fields of Hell.

Also, I mentioned that a fifth of the Chamber of Deputies runs for election every year. This basically means that landslide elections, the kind that knock a majority government completely out of power, are almost impossible. With annual elections, the government always has a good idea of the mood of the voters, and if the ruling party finds itself losing ground, it can change course. (Not saying it will, but it can.) This is good news if you’re a voter who just wants responsive government, not so good if you’re a Conservative or Jacobin politician hoping for power.
 
I'm not really up to speed on post-Thermidor France, what's the franchise? And how much popular support do the regents have? (that is, how much of their ability to govern comes from having the generals as part of the government?)

Also, what's the breakdown of the "Industrial concerns" That could be either very good or very bad for Frances industrialization.
 
I'm not really up to speed on post-Thermidor France, what's the franchise? And how much popular support do the regents have? (that is, how much of their ability to govern comes from having the generals as part of the government?)

I’m not sure “franchise” is the right word for it. It’s complicated, but the short version is that each department has its own electoral college, whose members are chosen from among the six hundred richest men and Legion of Honor recipients. Basically France is being run by the men who own it. (However, in communes of less than 5,000, there are actual elections for mayor.)

The Regency Council is doing okay as far as popularity goes. They’re allowing France to have internal stability and the possibility of peace without conceding too much to the other Great Powers. The Council doesn’t have the same power over the imagination that Napoleon did, so they’re doing what they can to keep alive his memory so they can bask in his reflected glory — calling him “Napoleon the Great,” “St.-Napoleon” (The Pope disagrees on this point) and so on. They’re also talking up young Prince Napoleon. (Having a Great Hope for the Future does wonders to keep people from storming the Bastille in the present.)

There’s no denying that large stretches of the rural south and west of France would like to have either the ancien régime back, or a heavily updated version thereof. Most of France, however, is at least okay with the status quo.


Also, what's the breakdown of the "Industrial concerns" That could be either very good or very bad for Frances industrialization.

Merchants, traders and manufacturers dominate the chambers of commerce. Their main point of contention at the moment is with the banks, over what should happen next with the currency. (France is a little short of money right now.)
 
"I am a Secret Agent!" (3)
Now it's time for…
The Class of 1817: People Born This Year Who Will Show Up Later
(Actually, some of these babies will start changing the world right away, just by existing and being who they are.)


Alexander Humphreys, born Feb. 10 at Bramall Hall near Manchester, in England, son of Salusbury Pryce Humphreys and Maria Davenport. His earliest ambition will be to join the Royal Navy.

Quincy Grissom, born Mar. 22 on a farm in northern Ohio. An intelligent child and big for his age, he will be noted for an early tendency towards patience and caution.

Eleanor Roxana Beecher, born Apr. 17 in Litchfield, Connecticut, daughter of Lyman Beecher and Roxana Foote Beecher, who died giving birth to her.[1] She will learn to read and write quickly, and will show a surprising fascination with birds.

Joshua Henley Ross, born June 8 in Alabama Territory, son of John Ross and Quatie Brown Henley. Although his father wants him to become a lawyer, he won’t show much interest in or aptitude for this. As a child, he will make friends among whites, Cherokees and blacks. (Later on, these friendships may get a bit strained.)

Infanta María Isabel Luisa of Spain, born Aug. 20, daughter of Ferdinand VII and his niece/wife Maria Isabel of Portugal.[2] Her survival will cause the king to reconsider his plans to marry his younger brother Francisco to Princess Luisa Carlotta of the Two Sicilies (also a niece) until he himself has more than one son. He hopes, in the future, to establish the position of prince-regent as a traditional one for the king’s younger brothers. If Francisco is able to establish a separate dynasty in New Spain, after all, independence will be a very short step away. (In the case of Carlos, it’s too late — the man is already married, to yet another niece. I think the Spanish Bourbons are the only family in history to consist entirely of creepy uncles.)
Getting back to the Infanta, her tutors will describe her as “gentle and obedient, but of average wit.” Her first love will be riding and caring for horses, which she will do as often as her health allows.

Prince Leopold William Frederick of the United Kingdom, born Nov. 10, son of Princess Charlotte Augusta of Wales[3] and Prince Consort Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. His birth will be the occasion of celebration and rejoicing throughout the British Empire. (Wiser heads will comment that, given that the Princess is the only legitimate heir in her generation, the royal family left a great deal to chance.)
The fact that the princess named her son “Leopold” rather than “George” will be seen by many observers as a welcome gesture of independence from her unpopular father. (As it turns out, she’s just warming up.)
Young Leo’s tutors will describe him as cheerful, outgoing, and a clever student “when he can be persuaded to sit still” with a deep love of the visual arts.

Guillaume Georges Elmar, born Dec. 1 in Bruxelles, son of a moderately successful businessman. At age two, Guillaume will teach himself to read and write in both French and Dutch. Seeing this, his family will attempt to raise him in the same manner as John Stuart Mill, hiring tutors for him in as many subjects as they can afford. At age ten, he will read a French translation of Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. By the time he is old enough to enter the lycée, his teachers will complain that in certain areas (chiefly history) he knows nearly as much as they do.
Only later will he turn his attention to economics.



[1] OTL, Roxana died of consumption the previous year. Butterflies are free.

[2] This girl's allohistorical twin was born about this time IOTL but died five months later.

[3] IOTL, the princess and the baby both died, and George III's younger sons went on a mad rush to Germany to find some Protestant noblewomen who weren't doing anything, marry the hell out of them and get with the procreating. That's how we got Queen Victoria.
Their survival here isn't just butterflies — IOTL, Charlotte Augusta wanted to be looked after by her husband's physician, Baron Stockmar, who from what I've read was pretty restrained about bloodletting. But the royal family persuaded her (with some difficulty — she was a stubborn woman) to submit herself to the care of Sir Richard Croft… who starved her half to death and drained her blood like a vampire on a bender. On top of that, it was a breech birth. As weak as she was from months of hunger and anemia, she never had a chance.
ITTL, as you may remember, Croft returned to London having already had a king die on his hands. That gave the Princess and Prince Consort the impetus to insist on Stockmar instead. And also, little Leo came out headfirst like a sensible baby.
 
Intersting batch:

Eleanor might turn into a Darwin-esque figure, Guillaume sounds A LOT like TTL's Marx in terms of role...
Also intersting news coming from Spain and Britain.

Looking forward to see these kids become influential on the world stage!
 
Yeah

I was hoping you might take that tak with Charlotte...
and Maria Isabella both.

An earlier surviving daughter. even if no sons...one wonders if Ferdinand will toy with the successionary laws...Of course It could also encourage a decoupling of new Spain and Peru under his two brothers earlier. Or at least a personal union with them as regent until he dies...with then gaining separate kingdoms on his death. In any case.. I would have though Carlos would have been better suited in New Spain with its rather conservative outlook.

Anyways koodos.to you sir
 
Of Jews, Cherokees and Lovers (1)
Around late 1817 or early 1818, when it was clear that the post-Bonaparte government in France would survive, one of the more noteworthy migrations of Jewish history began. It is difficult to say precisely how many fled the spate of persecution in the Hapsburg and Romanov dominions, but the census of 1825 reveals over 100,000 people living in France who self-identified as “Jewish.”[1]

(The founding of Sepharad, stirring as it may be to the imagination, was a very minor event by comparison. A census of British Florida taken at the same time as the one in France shows only 8,356 Jews living in the colony, of whom 1,909 lived in Trafalgar rather than Sepharad or the surrounding communities.)…


…The various political factions of France responded to this influx in varying ways. The Regency Council did not share Napoleon’s grand ambition to assimilate the Jews entirely, but they were committed to integrating them into the fabric of national life. The Council also claimed the right to convene another Great Sanhedrin if so requested, but had no plans to do so at the present time.

The three major parties in the Chamber of Deputies were the Liberals, the Conservatives and the Jacobins. The Liberals were already secure in their power. They would not refuse the votes of these new citizens, but would make no special effort to gain them. Still, benign indifference was better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, which in Russia was not always a figure of speech.

On the other hand, the Jacobins, in keeping with their anticlerical stance, actively sought to recruit Jews, Protestants, Deists and freethinkers of all sorts. They handed out literature outside synagogues, encouraged the young men to enlist in the fédérés and put up posters in the Rue des Rosiers that said “Come join us!”

This achieved only partial success. Many of the Eastern European Ashkenazim were just as traditionalistic as their gentile neighbors. The Jacobins scared them, with their gruesome rhetoric concerning the necks of nobles and the entrails of priests. As for the fédérés, they represented the sort of extralegal violence that Jews were only too familiar with, even if it was not being aimed at them at the present time. (Although a number of men did in fact join the fédérés, in the hope that this would help them to defend themselves if the pogromists came… as they always seemed to, sooner or later.)

The Conservative Party might perhaps have won votes among the Jewish community… if it had wanted them. It did not. It regarded their presence in such numbers on the holy soil of France as a sign and symbol of the “moral decay” that the Liberals had supposedly brought upon the nation. Some of its more extreme members, in fact, sought to bar them from the electoral colleges, along with Protestants — or at least to demand that the higher offices in the land be reserved for Catholics. Clearly it was necessary to become involved in the political process, by one vehicle or another. (One prominent rabbi, Nahum Trebitsch, was of this opinion: “The difference between the Conservative and Jacobin Parties is that both of them think we drink the blood of Christian babies… but the Jacobins would like us to share it with them.”)

David Azimov, A History of the Diaspora


According to this website, the number IOTL was 50,000.
By the way, the population of France ITTL is about 35 million and climbing, as of 1816.
 
Loving this TL :)

Also I like how your capturing the inevitable chaos of French politics here. The Jacobins will provide and interesting mix shall we say.
 
Thank you, thank you, thank you…

you know, I wonder how the regency feels about the Montagards heirs controlling the largest paramilitary in the capital.

It does make them a little nervous. Technically, Carnot is in charge of them, but they're not sure how much control he ultimately has and would rather not test it.

That said, they're still more worried about Bourbon royalism at the moment. Not only would a royalist rebellion be larger than anything the Jacobins could pull off, but the royalists wouldn't be shy about calling for help from other countries, and (the Council thinks) might even get it.

On the other hand, the one thing the Council isn't worried about is a Jacobin rebellion getting help from foreign powers. Those powers have radicals inside their own borders to worry about.
 
Of Jews, Cherokees and Lovers (2)
When Watie learns I am the son of “Wild Joe,” his manner changes from truculent to welcoming with dizzying speed. He invites me inside at once.

“I lost five slaves to that son of a b---h during the thirties,” he says cheerfully. “Swore I’d kill him myself. Then I ended up fighting alongside him during the Troubles.” He shakes his head and laughs. “What a world.”

Watie says very little, working quietly as he prepares a noon meal for us. Lunch is a Florida-style light meal of gora noodles[1] with nimbooghee[2], squash and bits of salt pork. It is simple, but excellent. We mostly speak of our families over the meal…

… “I was just a boy when it all began,” he says. “Didn’t spend a lot of time thinking about politics. But it was a little hard to miss the arguments going on. They were bitter. The Tsalagi [the Cherokee] were never so divided.

“This you must understand,” he continues. “Ross, Hicks, Casey Holmes, Nancy Ward… what they really wanted was for us to be left on our land to trade with the United States without being a part of it. But it was more and more obvious that it was never going to be that simple. We had already given up more than we wanted to… I think it was in 1816 that we signed away our lands in South Carolina. But the settlers just kept wanting more, and more, and more.

“In Georgia they told us we should go west, across the Mississippi… no one would ever bother us there. But we were hearing from our brothers and sisters who’d gone with Duwali that white men had followed them even there. A lot of us wanted to fight, but we’d seen what happened, even to the other so-called ‘Civilized Tribes’ — that is, the tribes that were best at mimicking white men’s ways.

“But we learned from their example in more ways than that. All along the northern border of Florida there were forts with regiments of Muskogees (Creeks, you would say) and Seminoles. The Choctaws and Chickasaws went west to help Louisiana fight the Comanches… no, first it was the pirates, and then it was to protect Galvezville from Comanche attacks. John Ross liked to compare them to the Roman auxilia. Most of us just saw them as cat’s-paws. In any war, they would be the first ones to die, and that suited their white masters just fine. But at least they had an accomodation, of sorts, and they could keep their land.

“The land. That was the key. This French radical I keep hearing about, this Elmar — he may be wrong about many things, but one thing he is right about. If you own land, you own it because the government agrees that you own it. Cattle you can slaughter, gold you can bury, but land…” He gestures out the window. “It’s out there. You can’t hide it. You can’t withhold it. You can either spend all day walking the borders of your farm with a rifle in your hand, or you can trust in the law to protect it for you.

“It was not always so, of course. Before the white men came, our land was ours because we fought for it. In every generation, we fought for it. Our neighbors tested us, and we tested them in return. But we couldn’t fight the United States. We were starting to wonder if we could even fight Georgia.

“Adams was a fair-minded man, and Tompkins needed men to guard the southern border and the coast. They were more than open to the idea that those of our men who served in the U.S. army should be counted as U.S. citizens. Crawford liked the idea too, once someone told him that as U.S. citizens, we would pay U.S. taxes.

“To the chiefs, this looked like the best chance they could get. Pathkiller thought it was a bad idea, but nobody was listening to him at this point. All we needed was some assurance that as citizens, our rights would be respected. So Adams went to the state governments and asked them to pass laws guaranteeing simply that no U.S. citizen would be treated as unequal by their laws or courts on grounds of national or tribal origin.

“Georgia, Tennesee, North Carolina… they all thumbed their noses at him. They could do that back then. The states still had a lot of leeway in these things.

“But the state of Alabama could not do that, because it was still a territory at the time. Still a territory, and trying to become a state. Adams made it very clear to them that if they wanted statehood to pass Congress, they would have to enshrine equal treatment for all U.S. citizens in their state constitution.”

“Wouldn’t that have affected free Negroes as well?”

“No. They weren’t citizens. Not then… although I think Adams would have liked them to be. He could do as much as he did because he still had most of the country behind him, and it was a matter in which he could claim military necessity. 'We need these people to fight alongside us in case of war, therefore we must grant them certain considerations.' He could afford to make a few enemies… and he did.” Watie shakes his head.

“At first, it hardly affected us,” he says. “Most of us still lived in northwest Georgia. We thought of Alabama as a backwater. Apart from the northeast, most of the state was Muscogee land — Creek land, you would say. Or at least it had been, before Jackson took it away from them.” Seeing my look of confusion, he clarifies: “General Andrew Jackson.”

“And as for the coast, that was the back of beyond. Amequohee[3] and Oonolequa[4] started out as forts with regiments of Tsalagi stationed in them. Godawful hot, muggy places they were, too, to men used to the mountains and the piney-woods… but the important thing was that our men were becoming citizens by their service, and once they were citizens everyone would treat them as an equal and our troubles would be over.” Watie manages to keep a straight face for several seconds after saying this, before bursting into loud and cynical laughter…


Edward J. Baldy, “An Interview with Isaac ‘Stander’ Watie,” published in the February 1871 issue of Greeley’s Monthly.


[1] Noodles made of nixtamalized corn and rice flour.
[2] A clarified butter sauce with (among other things) lemon, garlic and rum. These are both common items in Florida cooking, although chicken or fish would be more usual than pork.
[3] OTL Fort Walton Beach, Fla. (From Gaduhvi Amekwohi — “Ocean City.”)
[4] OTL Panama City, Fla. (From Unole Ekwah — “Great Wind.” It was struck by a hurricane in September 1818, while it was still under construction.)
 
So, after reading this epicness (but skipping the comments) I have the strange feeling that if things are going right (which they might not) we will have Britain and France looking at each other in the 1840s and realizing how similar they are in terms of how they are governed.
 
I'm curious who the French radical with a following among the Cheeroke is, someone from New Orleans I assume.

I also think that any real equal rights are going to be, at best, selective. The southern planters never really had a problem with their Cheeroke counterparts anyway IIRC so they themselves might be given a good deal, but anyone arriving after that is unlikely to get much sympathy is the discrimination is informal.

Also, with France, I think its fate really depends on how the Liberal Party develops. If the horribly incumbent friendly system keeps them responsive and popular France might actually end up with a good government. On the other hand they could easily end up like Cold-War Italy, with the political bosses assuming the opposition is far too radical for the majority of the population to ever support them and doing whatever the hell they want because of that.

Of course, the fact that sizable wings of the opposition probably view violent insurrection against the Bonapartes as their natural state of being probably won't help stability. Personally I eagerly wait the first assassination.
 
So the Indians get citizenship, and Alabama now has legal equality built into its constitution? And all of this happening around 1820!? Wow :D

Well, a tribe gets citizenship. A tribe that the U.S. is relying on to be the front-line die-first troops in the next war against the British.

Even with that, this is an idea ahead of its time. Expect a certain amount of unfortunate backlash in the future.

So, after reading this epicness (but skipping the comments) I have the strange feeling that if things are going right (which they might not) we will have Britain and France looking at each other in the 1840s and realizing how similar they are in terms of how they are governed.

Glad you're enjoying it. Whatever happens to them politically (I'm not giving anything away just yet) Britain and France will still be rivals — the more so as this France will be more of an economic and industrial power than OTL's.

I'm curious who the French radical with a following among the Cheeroke is, someone from New Orleans I assume.

Actually, he was mentioned in the last birth announcement — the history buff who will later develop an interest in economics. The quote at the beginning of the Battle of Velaine will give you an idea of the sort of conclusions he draws.

I also think that any real equal rights are going to be, at best, selective. The southern planters never really had a problem with their Cheeroke counterparts anyway IIRC so they themselves might be given a good deal, but anyone arriving after that is unlikely to get much sympathy is the discrimination is informal.

I don't know about the other states, but Georgia most definitely did have a problem with them. (Although it may not have been the planters so much as the small farmers and people looking to become small farmers.)

But definitely the Cherokees are going to have an uphill battle having their rights respected. Notice also that this sets up a conflict between the federal government (which sees the Cherokees as allies) and certain state governments (which answer to people who see the Cherokees as inferiors and/or competition).

Also, with France, I think its fate really depends on how the Liberal Party develops. If the horribly incumbent friendly system keeps them responsive and popular France might actually end up with a good government. On the other hand they could easily end up like Cold-War Italy, with the political bosses assuming the opposition is far too radical for the majority of the population to ever support them and doing whatever the hell they want because of that.

Of course, the fact that sizable wings of the opposition probably view violent insurrection against the Bonapartes as their natural state of being probably won't help stability. Personally I eagerly wait the first assassination.

All I'll say is that the French system at this point works… as long as the government doesn't screw anybody over too badly.
 
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