Of course, there will be a reunification done... This happened with Germany, too. No worries there.
EDIT: ASB, I don't think, is that good because there, fiction and such is king. But if the mods want it moved, you are free to move it.
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Of course, there will be a reunification done... This happened with Germany, too. No worries there.
EDIT: ASB, I don't think, is that good because there, fiction and such is king. But if the mods want it moved, you are free to move it.
To be honest, the POD at first wasn't specified and I can also let that remain so, saying that Sweden on it's own fought for the Central Powers. But the Union will be reformed anyway...
And it is like that: constant instability, putsches, revolts, rise of extreme nationalist parties. That is the "softer" form of guerilla warfare which was practised after World War I in OTL... and you will see it's results soon, too...
EDIT: The Two Sicilies might have been over the top, and so, I will retcon them. But Piedmont is, to spoil it, my Lithuania/Memel-analogue and thus necessary.
EDIT 2: Fixed the map.
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I don't think you get what I am trying to say. To impose this treaty on Italy and France, it would require uhlans camping in the King's garden in Rome and France being literally kicked out of Europe (and even then, you can be sure as hell that there will be a government in exile in Algeria), which would make any kind of Socialist revolution impossible in such a victorious Germany. And "soft" guerilla warfare would be impossible with such a treaty.
I do see your point, but I doubt your statement. This would be true of a big country (America, Russia, China,...) but France and Italy? After World War I? I think there are more implausible things here than the France- and Italyscrew. Anyway, I descrewed Italy to some extent, too...
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Oddly enough; people at this time really cared about nationalism and their country.
Well... they do, otherwise the PPTEF and Fascista and PBE wouldn't rise. Also, it is not the Kalmar Union, but the Swedish-Norwegian union... Also, there might have well been cultural differences earlier. The strict political POD is though the non-dissolution of that Nordic Union. And I thought the Panscandinavian movement lingered until the 1920s?
As far as I know, Kalmar never had any real nationally-inspired separatist movements. Scandinavia had something, but that never really got going, and indeed was on the dead side of things after 1864 or so.
There were a few lingering remnants (mooted Nordic Defence Unions, and the like), but any idea of actually being in the same country was for all practical purposes dead and buried.
Piedmont and Venetia will be reunitied the second German and Austrian can't enforce massively the treaty, hell basically every parties (Socialist, Fascist and Partito Popolare) will have in their program the reunification of the country the only things that will differ will be in the timetable and manner.
Maybe Italy was not a big country still the national sentiment was strong, as i said do that to Italy and France is like try to do with Germany, basically impossible to enforce, probably the italian ambassador had commited suicide so to not bring the news of this kind of treaty...and the phisical survive of any politician even associated to that will be short very short.
I don't say that Berlin and Vienna will not try this, hell OTL greatly demonstrated that they were not the sharpest people in the bunch when we talking about diplomacy in WWI, just that keeping things in that way will be a long, costly and thankless job and when revolution kick it will be done and they will face two very very pissed off newly reunificated nation
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The only thing is that the cultural differences, aswell as the political differences are too great already in Norway and Sweden for them to be compatible and hold together as a union.
That might well be true; although the only time IOTL where the Scandiavian movement had any chance as a political movement was in the mid-19th century, by the 1880's Norway and Sweden nearly went to war over political issues.
Even if the damned-to hell Vidky Quisly got the PM before WW2,HE WONT Try to reunite Scandinavia.
Not to mention WTF is that commie Indochina on 1924? Wtf is that quite-stable red germany?
Not to mention WTF is that commie Indochina on 1924? Wtf is that quite-stable red germany?
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@Nordic Union: I think it might well be better to have Norway and Sweden separate at first, and have them unite later. Under a different kind of movement...
Scandinavia I understand, but it can be united...
But commie Indochina? Is basically a colony of Red Germany, pretty independent though. And Red Germany? Why should red Germany never be stable?
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If they somehow brainwashed Norwegians to abandon the greatly important national treasure that is our Constitution and give up the independence granted by said Constitution; maybe.
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On that era,the "Backstab" myth is soooo comon that only those who knew the truth(little bit of Germany's population) joined the socialists.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You would litteraly having to kill every Frenchman, every man, woman and child to get that peace treaty. The territorial losses are much too large, it's ASB. The toughest peace you could even think about having is the very southern catalan and basque speaking regions to be given to spawn, a demilitarized zone with fifty or so kilometers of the german border. The French were not willing to give up Corsica (Napoleon and what not), French Savoie (most people there speak Franco-Provencal which is incredibly close to French.) Also I could see France being stripped of all of its African, Asian, and Pacific colonies, sans Algeria. Bulgaria taking Algeria is like the Netherlands annexing Catalonia, ASB. You would have to kill every French person to get this treaty. Also in the early 1900's Brittany nationalism was less than modern day Brittany nationalism (which is pretty small!)
Also Germany would be in place to request colonial territory from the United Kingdom, as long as that navy stood in the way.
Austria-Hungary by the time of your pod is... well if the Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe Austria-Hungary was the Bed-Ridden man of Europe.
ITALY?!
On a different note, I know I'm being ruff. Your writing style is good, but just a little more research would make an excellent TL.
Also Germany would be in place to request colonial territory from the United Kingdom, as long as that navy stood in the way.
Austria-Hungary by the time of your pod is... well if the Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe Austria-Hungary was the Bed-Ridden man of Europe.
ITALY?!
On a different note, I know I'm being ruff. Your writing style is good, but just a little more research would make an excellent TL.