Some alt.hist for the Iowans...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_River#Water_rights_and_border_dispute_with_Georgia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend
There was also a huge dispute between Kentucky and Tennessee, due to the surveyors being allegedly drunk while figuring out their border (which from the eastern end slowly veers towards the north, until it is corrected where it crosses the Tennessee River). I can't remember the name of this dispute, though.
While there may have been interest in getting that land, for any number of reasons, I don't recall ever hearing about an actual border dispute. Maybe as a side dispute in the Toledo War?
EDIT: Okay, I found this <http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/wireader/WER0126.html>, but that certainly didn't involve the entire UP, just a small strip of land, due to some errors in surveying and ambiguities in the description of the boundary. Sounds like there was another issue with Minnesota, which the article doesn't give any details on.
EDIT 2: And here, <http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/wireader/WER0431-4.html#Link0126> it talks about the second Territorial Governor, James Doty, trying to get pretty much the entirety of the original Wisconsin Territory as the borders of a state. Except that... by then (1841) Michigan and Illinois had been states for years now, so it wouldn't have even been possible to get most of that land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend
There was also a huge dispute between Kentucky and Tennessee, due to the surveyors being allegedly drunk while figuring out their border (which from the eastern end slowly veers towards the north, until it is corrected where it crosses the Tennessee River). I can't remember the name of this dispute, though.
While there may have been interest in getting that land, for any number of reasons, I don't recall ever hearing about an actual border dispute. Maybe as a side dispute in the Toledo War?
EDIT: Okay, I found this <http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/wireader/WER0126.html>, but that certainly didn't involve the entire UP, just a small strip of land, due to some errors in surveying and ambiguities in the description of the boundary. Sounds like there was another issue with Minnesota, which the article doesn't give any details on.
EDIT 2: And here, <http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/wireader/WER0431-4.html#Link0126> it talks about the second Territorial Governor, James Doty, trying to get pretty much the entirety of the original Wisconsin Territory as the borders of a state. Except that... by then (1841) Michigan and Illinois had been states for years now, so it wouldn't have even been possible to get most of that land.
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And, considering how long it took them to walk from one end of the border to the other, if they were drunk the entire time...I'll leave that image up to you. (Not just walk, but walk a few yards, stop to take measurements, walk a few more yards, repeat)
"No you hold the stake, -hic- ya bastard, I held the stake last time!"
"Hogwash! If you held the stake last time, -hic- why am I still holding the hammer?"
(unable to comprehend the logical fallacy) "-hic-...fair enough"
There was also this bit of shenanigans along the Iowa Missouri border
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1861)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1861)
Any day you want Cornhusker!!
Once the Missouri Rhinelanders and Ozarks baldknobbers unite it's on to victory!You may have win once with your fixed court but now we have the largest brewer of beer in the country! Wait...InBev stole our largest company..Ok we have the Corvette plant! Wait...St Louis lost that to Kentucky in the 1970's. We have the only min-van plant in the US. No we lost that to Windsor Canada 2 years ago. But still have universities that keep changing their names and the best BBQ in Kansas City!
Illinois looks to be in an extremly favorable position in this, as it's bordering three involved states.
It would but Illinois is a "house divide" Chicago treats the southern part of the state like serfs. Hell one IL governor (the one with the prefect hair) refused to even govern from the state Capitol. It was just too rural for him. It shouldn't be too hard to split the southern and central counties of from the Chicago.
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In keeping with the spirit of the thread, may I also suggest the following? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_Wars
P.S. I would read an Iowa-Missouri war in a heart-beat.
P.S. I would read an Iowa-Missouri war in a heart-beat.
Oysters are Serious Business. Mess with the mighty oyster pirates at your peril.
All joking aside there really couldn't be a war between Iowa and Missouri the Federal Government wouldn't allow it. At worse there might be minor border violence like what happened on the Kansas Missouri border in the 1850's. I think that conflict cost the lives of about 70 people.
So most likely Missouri moves it's state Militia into the border area. Iowa takes the issue to the Federal Government which forces Missouri to remove it's militia and the whole thing get settled in the courts.