I am surprised that Uday didn't receive a bullet immediately after Saddam's last breath.
Seven Days to the River Rhine: the Third World War - a TL
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I am surprised that Uday didn't receive a bullet immediately after Saddam's last breath.
I really think 75-80% of the worlds population would be dead in 5-10 years. While nuclear winter may not kill that many; Disease unchecked by modern medicine will. Once modern medicine runs out, diseases including ones thought to have disappeared will ravage the surviving world population. Many of the poorer nations could loose more than 50 percent of their population from the disease outbreaks.
There's also starvation and ongoing clashes between refugees that will swamp potential safezones over precious resources.
So after focus reading how things are in Germany...
I wouldn't doubt that many (or rather what remains) Germans would have a deep, and I mean deep hatred for everything Russian/Socialist.
Where phrases like "Hitler was too benevolent to those Russian subhumans" would be an accepted norm. Or at least something that no one would get you in trouble for saying that.
I wonder what the world's view of Germany is now after WW3 probably erased almost all memories from WW2 and before.
No more the country of poets and thinkers
No more the country of innovation and industry
No more the country of inhumane mass murders
Just the abused corpse of a dead nation.
Piss poor, radioactive as hell in some places still.
The only good thing would probably the the mesmerizing nature after the Germans have been brought near extinction.
I wouldn't doubt that many (or rather what remains) Germans would have a deep, and I mean deep hatred for everything Russian/Socialist.
Where phrases like "Hitler was too benevolent to those Russian subhumans" would be an accepted norm. Or at least something that no one would get you in trouble for saying that.
I wonder what the world's view of Germany is now after WW3 probably erased almost all memories from WW2 and before.
No more the country of poets and thinkers
No more the country of innovation and industry
No more the country of inhumane mass murders
Just the abused corpse of a dead nation.
Piss poor, radioactive as hell in some places still.
The only good thing would probably the the mesmerizing nature after the Germans have been brought near extinction.
Cool timeline! So I am guessing TTL 2023 internet is basically OTL 1990s internet? So this world is set back technologically for about 30-40 years.
Give it a decade and India and Brazil would probably start improving upon the computers and mobile phones as semiconductors become viable again.
Give it a decade and India and Brazil would probably start improving upon the computers and mobile phones as semiconductors become viable again.
It‘s a bit weird that a post-apocalyptic US sees the rise of the same political figures as OTL. I mean, Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich? Where are the rogue militia leaders that decided to enter politics? The ambitious governors with delusions of grandeur? The generals who decide to run for office, be it out of ambition or because they‘re seen as compromise candidates (like Eisenhower back in the day)?
And not only are the politicians the same, but the issues people care about are as well? Thirty years after the US lost more than half of its population and most of its major cities, and the country is slowly starting to become a developed economy again, one of the main issues during the presidential campaign is gay marriage of all things?
The social order of the US (and Western Europe) collapsed utterly after 1983. I would expect society under these kinds of conditions of harsh scarcity to fragment along various lines - including racial ones. After the war, there would probably be autonomous settlements springing up all over the country, many of which might be exclusively white or black, while others are ruled by various religious groups. It‘s gonna be challenging enough for the federal government to bring all these local power structures back into the fold, that I kinda doubt that anyone would care about LGBT stuff.
Regarding Yakutia, it should be kept in mind that the province doesn’t actually border China:
As you can see, there‘s lots of territory south of the province, which is mostly populated by ethnic Russians. In fact, this population is much bigger than that of Yakutia.
And not only are the politicians the same, but the issues people care about are as well? Thirty years after the US lost more than half of its population and most of its major cities, and the country is slowly starting to become a developed economy again, one of the main issues during the presidential campaign is gay marriage of all things?
The social order of the US (and Western Europe) collapsed utterly after 1983. I would expect society under these kinds of conditions of harsh scarcity to fragment along various lines - including racial ones. After the war, there would probably be autonomous settlements springing up all over the country, many of which might be exclusively white or black, while others are ruled by various religious groups. It‘s gonna be challenging enough for the federal government to bring all these local power structures back into the fold, that I kinda doubt that anyone would care about LGBT stuff.
Regarding Yakutia, it should be kept in mind that the province doesn’t actually border China:
As you can see, there‘s lots of territory south of the province, which is mostly populated by ethnic Russians. In fact, this population is much bigger than that of Yakutia.
I'd probably just have the state be a revived Far Eastern Republic, especially as the whole thing very much encompasses more than just Yakutia.Regarding Yakutia, it should be kept in mind that the province doesn’t actually border China:
As you can see, there‘s lots of territory south of the province, which is mostly populated by ethnic Russians. In fact, this population is much bigger than that of Yakutia.
On that note, the surviving populations, being largely rural, would probably have been predisposed to social conservatism.
That‘s a good point. And considering that most of the country‘s racial minorities were living in cities too, the US wouldn‘t just be more rural after the war, but whiter as well (relatively speaking, since in absolute numbers most of the victims of the war and it’s aftermath would be white). The political landscape of such a US in the 21st century would look very different from OTL.
More or less, the interface would be 1990s internet similar to Geocites.
Something like this:
It is indeed weird that Hillary Clinton and Newt Ginrich still become notable politicians. Anyway, what did happen to Bill Clinton?
And another oddity is Zhirinovsky. In 1980's he was extremely obscure guy and got some prominence only just final moments of Soviet Union/early days of Yeltsin's presidency. And he too seems more capable than he actually would be.
Perhaps Yakutia conquered Buryatia and Chita Oblast?
Bill Clinton became a casualty of the war. He was unable to escape from Little Rock on time.
Man this takes me back to those days...More or less, the interface would be 1990s internet similar to Geocites.
Something like this:
Btw I mentioned this but would semiconductor chips and wafers become a thing here? Since the phones and computers are still rugged as hell I am just wondering just how much decades it would take for TTL to build a quantum computer. This makes me sad 😢.
I assume a major religious revival would occur. I imagine United States would look a lot closer to say South Africa than moderm America in terms of LGBT rights. Even if it is legal on federal or state level, de facto being open LGBT will be a death sentence.
Apparently Brazil had a law that forced educational centers to teach Spanish, the law was made effective in 2005 and was repealed in 2017. I assume that this law was implemented here before and was not repealed. At the same time, in the rest of the Latin countries they could have the same law but with the Portuguese language.
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November 11, 2023 was the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of Able Archer. Here ITTL, it'll be remembered as the day the world ended.