Russia removed from Europe in Crimean war

[Lalli]

It is possible with the pressure from a joint invasion by UK, French, Austrian, Ottoman empires and rebellions in Poland, Ukraine, Finland and Belarus

Why they would begin pressure Prussia? It wouldn't make any sense since it would be useful as ally. And they don't want give ideas to their own subjects.

Rebellions can be organised by spies

Of course you can try organise them but you need local support and ensure that they can at least tie effectively hands of Russians. Not sure would there be good support base anywehre else as in Poland.

 

[Valena]

Learn before you write nationalism was on the in Ukraine, Finland and Belarus during mid 19th century https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Główna_Rada_Ruska https://fi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomalainen_nationalismi https://be.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Беларускае_нацыянальнае_адраджэнне

Teaching a Belarusian a history of Belarus. Self-government movement demand WAS there in 1863 (see Kalinouski rebellion) but finding foreign backers for this (other than PLC restoration)? Independent Ukraine can be sold as bigger Galicia and Lodomeria, but why would Austrian government try to do this. Also "a minor crown of Habsburgs =/= true independence", it's just changing sovereign over a vassal policy.

Rebellions can be organised by spies

Who would send them?

 

[octoberman]

Who would send them?

Britain and France

 

[Valena]

And they don't want give ideas to their own subjects.

Especially Austrians. If Belarus can into independence, Bohemia can as well.

 

[Lalli]

Especially Austrians. If Belarus can into independence, Bohemia can as well.

And if Poland is independent, Galician Poles will be be intrested to join to Poland. There would be one hellish chain reaction if these revolts succeed. Brits, French, Austrians and Ottomans know that very well and they don't want handle that.

 

[Valena]

And if Poland is independent, Galician Poles will be be intrested to join to Poland. There would be one hellish chain reaction if these revolts succeed. Brits, French, Austrians and Ottomans know that very well and they don't want handle that.

And creating HUGE Galicia and Lodomeria encompassing Poland and Ukraine (and probably Belarus) would not be the independence. This would be hugely rewarding Austria and changing one "prison of nations" (c) for another.

 

[octoberman]

but why would Austrian government try to do this.

Because Pan-Slavisc Russia is worse than independent Poland and Ukraine

 

[octoberman]

And if Poland is independent, Galician Poles will be be intrested to join to Poland. There would be one hellish chain reaction if these revolts succeed. Brits, French, Austrians and Ottomans know that very well and they don't want handle that.

Why would Britain and France have a problem with this ? While Austria and Turkey can be convinced that

Pan-Slavisc Russia is worse than independent Poland and Ukraine

 

[octoberman]

And creating HUGE Galicia and Lodomeria encompassing Poland and Ukraine (and probably Belarus) would not be the independence. This would be hugely rewarding Austria and changing one "prison of nations" (c) for another.

Austria may not even be able to absorb the whole of both Poland and Ukraine

 

[octoberman]

Especially Austrians. If Belarus can into independence, Bohemia can as well.

Pan slavism of a country much more powerful than Austriawas much bigger problem than local nationalist movements