Pan-Asian Antinationalism

Inspired by @Born in the USSA
Given its different founding conditions and the fact that Meridian Societists only got involved after the fact, Celestial Societism* is very different from the main TL's Combine strain and draws and synthesizes elements from various tendencies within the broader movement. For one thing, the new Great and Bountiful Human Empire* doesn't use the Zonal schema, Novalatina, or even the Threefold Eye**.
  • Although most of the first generation of the aristocratic class inherited their position, class mobility has been opened up and the system itself has become non-hereditary (outside of a purely ceremonial Emperor***).
  • Rather than standardized tests, sorting in the system follows a decidedly Anarchosocietist direction, with a universal basic income paired with universal basic services to allow individuals to rise or fall on their own merits without the risk of crushing poverty.
  • Although not democratic, there is a chamber drawn by sortition able to petition the government, with the vast web of ethnicities governed by a larger-scale pseudo-Danubian system, with the goal that it will be eventually phased out once the regime is sufficiently well-established and compulsory education and incentivized population transfers have done their work.
  • A Garderista system of creches exists as a prominent pipeline to the civil service and self-defense forces, though it is primarily operated for the sake of orphans, foundlings, and true believers, though the children of rebels are a small portion of the total as well.
  • The state religion is a syncretized strain that's Buddhist at its base, though it incorporates a pantheon hearkening back to the Old Eurasian one, suitably conflated with Hindu and Shinto deities.
Given the fact that Celestial Societism is able to adequately balance competing schools of Societism, the GBHE has a much easier time proselytizing than the Combine, able to appeal to the various strains of the global movement as well as traditional and Mentian factions among the nations for a variety of reasons.

*Working title
**Instead the GBHE uses Sanskrit for pragmatic and ideological reasons, since it's both a Hindu/Buddhist liturgical language and an incredibly old offshoot of PIE. The flag of the Empire is a similarly pragmatic black flag with a red swastika.
***Originally a relatively minor Chinese noble with Societist sympathies, imperial matchmaking is done by the Societist bureaucracy to allow buy-in from local elites and the deliberate blending of the royal bloodline. Rather than direct lineal descent that same bureaucracy likewise chooses the next Emperor/ess from the pool of the next generation of royal heirs, with the token input from the sortition chamber.

Is a pan-Asian antinationalist state that seeks to remove national distinction possible?
- a Hindu/Buddhist syncretic religion
- either a common Pali[1], Middle Chinese [2] or something else conlang
- universal monarchy drawing from the “Son of Heaven” and Cakravartin[3] symbolisn

[1] Source of liturgical terms in SE Asian languages, related to Sanskrit, ancestor of Bengali and has a CV(N) syllable structure suited for East Asian languages
[2] Source of loanwords in the Sinosphere
[3] “Wheel turning king” as a world-ruling and righteous figure
 
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Well, good luck telling the Mongols and the other steppe raiders that they owe fealty to the people whose asses they've been kicking for the last thousand years.
 
Well, good luck telling the Mongols and the other steppe raiders that they owe fealty to the people whose asses they've been kicking for the last thousand years.
I was thinking with a pre-1900 POD something like this could be feasible by the early 20th century
 
Well, good luck telling the Mongols and the other steppe raiders that they owe fealty to the people whose asses they've been kicking for the last thousand years.
Nah, the mongols didnt last even half a milennia, those are rookie numbers
Meanwhile that people kicked the butt of those steppe tribes for thousands of years, I mean where's the Xiongnu? Exactly
 
I dont think OP asked for a state ruling all of that, just that it's ideologically pan-asian
It may sound obvious, but Confucianism could play such a role IMO. Imagine that this philosophy spreads all over Asia (Not only, China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam but also India, Indonesia, Malaisia, even the Turkic and mongolian tribes) and becomes like Christianity in Europe. You would see divergences appear in some areas but I can even imagine a sort of unified School of thought ascend thhroughout the continent. Afterwards, a pan-asian ideology could appear with the goal of creating a "philosophical theocracy".
 
Nah, the mongols didnt last even half a milennia, those are rookie numbers
Meanwhile that people kicked the butt of those steppe tribes for thousands of years, I mean where's the Xiongnu? Exactly
If kicking someone's butt means paying them to stop attacking you, sure.
 
The funny thing is that it was pure improvisation on my part. Glad to have caused such a reaction!
Been toying with a timeline where the ruling power is a theocratic state but instead of any organised religion they just follow Deontology

So when I saw your comment I was just like ":eek:"
 
Who is this ideology supposed to appeal to? The Chinese would consider Indians ruling over them a bunch of barbarian foreigners, Indians would consider Chinese much the same. If it's a third party like the Mongols, Japanese, Turks, etc. then they're strongly outnumbered and will face all the challenges any minority ethnic group ruling a giant empire does, and introducing a radical ideology which would not have appeal in their own homelands is not a good solution to these challenges (since why would they want to reduce the influence of their own ethnic group, let alone let imperial subjects rule over them?).

Buddhism already has many Hindu influences and even variants of Hindu deities, it's just their role is far different than in Hinduism. Any attempt to actually fuse them would prompt a backlash since the religions are too different in their beliefs--it's like creating the new religion of "Abrahamism" which mandates its followers to observe strict rabbinical law and the rulings of rabbis while also worshipping Jesus as the Son of God who died for everyone's sins and also following the commands of Muhammad as the last prophet. Shinto doesn't even have any relevance to non-Japanese, since it's an ethnic religion and at most you can say it's just another paganism which theoretically a non-Japanese person who doesn't live in Japan might follow. But that's not going to be many people (thus coming back to the core problem of "who does this appeal to?"), because why wouldn't they just follow another pagan religion? And this of course leaves out the hundreds of millions of people in Asia who follow Islam, to which all of these ideas constitute a false religion.

Son of Heaven and Chakravartin symbolism being fused was actually OTL. It was how some of the Yuan emperors (especially Toghon Temur) styled themselves and based their governance upon, and was also a strong influence on his contemporary in Japan Go-Daigo and the Southern Court. And this was not without criticism, since their critics linked them to heretical and foul tantric practices (which while both rulers incorporated tantric practices in their rituals, neither probably did the things they were accused of) and devoting too much time to Buddhist ritual. In both cases, it no doubt contributed to the defeat and overthrow of both emperors by taking up excessive resources, dividing the court, and in Go-Daigo's case questionable strategic decisions on where to attack and where to fortify. So among elite circles there will also be strong controversy, especially since a chakravartin implies a strong ruler and not a mere figurehead.
 
Is a pan-Asian antinationalist state that seeks to remove national distinction possible?
pan-Asian just like any other type of Pan does not work. Pan Arabism didn't work, nor did Pan Latin America. The only Pan that really worked was the German and Italian unification. And even then they could easily have gone wrong. A change of decision by France, for example (but it could be other countries such as Prussia or Austria) puts an end to this once and for all. This kind of thing never works because there are too many variables. no country or people wants to give up power. And the majority powers do not have the strength to force their decision. The Islamic world was under Turkish control for a long time, simply due to the strength of the Ottomans. The moment the Turks lost strength they rebelled.
 
pan-Asian just like any other type of Pan does not work. Pan Arabism didn't work, nor did Pan Latin America. The only Pan that really worked was the German and Italian unification.
To be fair thw former two involved countries with many divergent cultures, languages and ethnicities while the later two had countries who already saw themselves as closely related if not the same culture under different states, and even then italian & german expansionist led to disaster later on
 
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