I think it's a bit early to say that. He's still extremely ruthless, and his character has some foreboding clouds on the horizon.
"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?
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The Soviets did drop bombs indiscriminately IOTL but they tended to avoid the notion of bombing civilians. They would claim that they were dropping leaflets or food aid but contemporaneously and historiographally the assertion was that moral qualms about civilian casualties kept them from attacking civilian targets.
It’s an interesting issue ITTL, I think there might be some expansion on false consciousness vis-a-vis bombing workers. Especially if an atomic attack happens and can’t be dismissed as a leaflet drop.
Well, in the introduction there's a passage from an ITTL anti-socialist book that discusses how Hitler was ruthless. And as an example, they use 'revolutionary terror in france'. Not ethnic cleansing, not concentration camps, not even Stalinesque deportations. If ITTL Hitler did anything close to what IOTL Hitler did, surely they would have mentioned those things rather than 'revolutionary terror'.
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I think that particular passage is referring to the terror of the 18th-century French Revolution, not however Hitler handled France. The whole opening only speaks of Hitler in oblique references, and typically in the same breath as Stalin, which isn't encouraging.
It looks to me that there might be a typo, and perhaps:
“The notion that all people are fundamentally good might seem harmless, if naïve, yet in the first half of the twentieth century tens of millions saw that belief skewed to the extent that the bodies piled higher than ever during the revolutionary terror in France.”
...should say:
“...bodies piled higher than even during the revolutionary terror in France.”
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“The notion that all people are fundamentally good might seem harmless, if naïve, yet in the first half of the twentieth century tens of millions saw that belief skewed to the extent that the bodies piled higher than ever during the revolutionary terror in France.”
...should say:
“...bodies piled higher than even during the revolutionary terror in France.”
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I always welcome corrections but I’d wager “ever” works just as well here.
So, the 'revolutionary terror in France' refers to the German occupation, not the upheaval of 1789?
Well yes, but some have argued otherwise, and I just wanted it to be clarified.
The latter, it was basically playing on the idea that Rousseau directly inspired the 18th century terror whilst his relation to Hitler's ideology is more abstract but the regime's violence itself is also much more widespread.
Unser Kampf Summarised:
Respect my friend's different beliefs
Adore the little quirks in their traditions
Care for my friends, no matter their skin color
Inform myself on what taboos I should never break
Smile when they speak their native tongues
The French must be purged from the Earth
Adore the little quirks in their traditions
Care for my friends, no matter their skin color
Inform myself on what taboos I should never break
Smile when they speak their native tongues
The French must be purged from the Earth
I’ve seen several similar acronyms but can’t remember them right now
Thing is I belive the Commies here are still racist even if its more shaded and in a parental tone of "We need to lift up those poor ignorant African Proletarians to Europeoan levels of enlightenment".
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Yeah, I would take that any day over actual fucking colonialism though. They may be condescending or paternalistic, but that is miles ahead than the people doing the actual colonizing. Mussolini, who is going to be Wallied TTL killed a good fourth of libya and don't even get me started on Ethiopia...
Even Britain and France didn't hesitate to use gas to crush revolts
"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."[15]
If I was some African conscript yeah, I wouldn't like being looked down by a TTL red German officer and their patronizing attitude of needing guidance to liberate the colones, but I would be far more pissed at some colonial power that drafted me while milking the resources of my country and treated me like a subhuman there.
Edit: The Red nations main crimes will probably be extreme authoritarianism, but when comparing colonial attitudes comparing a patronizing european communist to actual colonialists is like comparing a jay walker to a child rapist.
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OTL the Wehrmacht massacred some colonial African soldiers during the invasion of France. While I doubt the Red German POW camps are great places, certainly African POWs would be better off than in OTL.
Exactly, like even Stalin can't compare to fucking Leopold 2 in real life, he killed 50% of all the people in the congo. And the other european powers weren't much better in how they treated their subjects.