Occupation of the Netherlands during World War 1

As a spiritual successor to threads about the invasions of Denmark and Norway during World War 1, I'd like to ask about an invasion of the Netherlands, especially because the main way it changes the strategic situation is that it gives Germany major ports in striking distance of the English Channel, a topic touched on in another recent thread. IIRC the reason Fisher resigned from the Admiralty was over how to balance the naval implications of a phantom German invasion of the Netherlands against the Gallipoli campaign, so the possibility must have frightened the British.

Does Rotterdam have the logistics to support the entire High Seas Fleet? What would the best way for the High Seas Fleet to command the "Broad Fourteens"? Could they have cut London's supplies this way? How would the Royal Navy have reacted? How immediately bad is the loss of a neutral trading partner to Germany?
 
This would just stretch German forces thinner and give the Entente another ally. Belgium's ports were already positioned such that they could threaten Britain in German hands.
 
When would you propose that Germany invades Netherlands.

Up until 1916ish Britain had failed to shut down a lot of transshipment through neutrals. A lot of German trade came in through Netherlands until the blockade was expanded. If the blockade of Germany is expanded to include the Netherlands in 1914 there's a possibility that Germany will collapse in 1916 or 1917.
 
I don't think it'd be that easy for the Germans to overrun the Netherlands in WW1. The Dutch Waterline was a good defenceline and the Dutch army was fairly large. It's quite likely Holland* would stay unoccupied.

* As in the provinces Zuid- and Noord-Holland, aka the part behind the Waterline, would stay unoccupied. This includes Rotterdam.
 
I don't think it'd be that easy for the Germans to overrun the Netherlands in WW1. The Dutch Waterline was a good defenceline and the Dutch army was fairly large. It's quite likely Holland* would stay unoccupied.

* As in the provinces Zuid- and Noord-Holland, aka the part behind the Waterline, would stay unoccupied. This includes Rotterdam.
That makes life very interesting, since if the German Army breaks through to the Belgian coast as OTL then Fortress Holland becomes a pocket dependent on supply convoys from Britain (probably for food, certainly for fuel and munitions). There would be a huge temptation for the Germans to try and cut that supply line, even if it meant sending the High Seas Fleet into the Broad Fourteens. On the other hand, if the British and Dutch can secure the supply lines and build up forces in Holland, the Germans have to face the threat of a breakout from Zuid-Holland along the Maas or even the Rhine, potentially threatening the Ruhr as well as cutting the supply lines to the German armies in Flanders.

Also if the Netherlands are in the war, there is the temptation for the Belgian army to concentrate on Antwerp and try to hold Antwerp plus Zeeland in conjunction with the Dutch, rather than retreating West as OTL.

Note - I'm assuming that the most likely POD for an invasion is for the Netherlands to be included in the German ultimatum to Belgium in 1914 - IIRC some of the pre-war German plans did included transiting Dutch territory around Limburg - and to give the same answer. Once the 1914 offensive has failed and Germany is committed to a war on two fronts, they're unlikely to be able to spare the troops/supplies for an offensive against the Netherlands, even if they had a reason to try.
 
Note - I'm assuming that the most likely POD for an invasion is for the Netherlands to be included in the German ultimatum to Belgium in 1914 - IIRC some of the pre-war German plans did included transiting Dutch territory around Limburg - and to give the same answer. Once the 1914 offensive has failed and Germany is committed to a war on two fronts, they're unlikely to be able to spare the troops/supplies for an offensive against the Netherlands, even if they had a reason to try.
The orginal Von Schlieffen plan indeed also meant to attack through Limburg, it was abandoned because they couldn't spare the troops and failed the logistics. Thay also didn't want to bring the (fairly large) Dutch army into the war.
If they also wanted to attack Fortress Holland, they'd have to spare more troops they didn't have. Although fighting more enemies at the same time does sound like something the Germans would come up with in the first half of the 20th century.
 
Note - I'm assuming that the most likely POD for an invasion is for the Netherlands to be included in the German ultimatum to Belgium in 1914 - IIRC some of the pre-war German plans did included transiting Dutch territory around Limburg - and to give the same answer. Once the 1914 offensive has failed and Germany is committed to a war on two fronts, they're unlikely to be able to spare the troops/supplies for an offensive against the Netherlands, even if they had a reason to try.
The orginal Von Schlieffen plan indeed also meant to attack through Limburg, it was abandoned because they couldn't spare the troops and failed the logistics. Thay also didn't want to bring the (fairly large) Dutch army into the war.
IIRC Moltke’s plan if Liege did not fall in reasonable time was to outflank it via Dutch territory.
 
Although fighting more enemies at the same time does sound like something the Germans would come up with in the first half of the 20th century.
Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts. - Londo Mollari

Of course, the Germans weren't intending to fight Belgium at all - the plan was for the Belgians to be standing politely at the side of the road, no doubt cheering the Glorious German Army as it marched to victory against the perfidious French. I can just about see the Germans convincing themselves that the Dutch - were they not fellow Germanics? - would do the same thing should the GGA need to make a temporary traverse of Dutch territory. Of course, it would be a truly stupid idea to go ahead with the plan anyway after being told "No", but these things have a habit of running away with people.
 
I don't think it'd be that easy for the Germans to overrun the Netherlands in WW1. The Dutch Waterline was a good defenceline and the Dutch army was fairly large. It's quite likely Holland* would stay unoccupied.

* As in the provinces Zuid- and Noord-Holland, aka the part behind the Waterline, would stay unoccupied. This includes Rotterdam.

What about Zeeland? Were the positions that commanded control of the Scheldt estuary and access to Antwerp easily defendable? Is Antwerp a feasible base for capital ships?
 

Riain

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As a spiritual successor to threads about the invasions of Denmark and Norway during World War 1, I'd like to ask about an invasion of the Netherlands, especially because the main way it changes the strategic situation is that it gives Germany major ports in striking distance of the English Channel, a topic touched on in another recent thread. IIRC the reason Fisher resigned from the Admiralty was over how to balance the naval implications of a phantom German invasion of the Netherlands against the Gallipoli campaign, so the possibility must have frightened the British.

Does Rotterdam have the logistics to support the entire High Seas Fleet? What would the best way for the High Seas Fleet to command the "Broad Fourteens"? Could they have cut London's supplies this way? How would the Royal Navy have reacted? How immediately bad is the loss of a neutral trading partner to Germany?

Whole I think Antwerp might hold the HSF its still on the wrong side of the Dover Narrows, which are easily closed.
 
What about Zeeland? Were the positions that commanded control of the Scheldt estuary and access to Antwerp easily defendable? Is Antwerp a feasible base for capital ships?
Zeeland would fall easily, it's outside the Waterline. But if Rotterdam stays with the Entente, basing capital ships in Antwerp doesn't sound like a good idea to me. They're basically contained there.
 
I think that Zeeland is a much thougher nut to crack than you think. In 1900's it was just a collection of Islands with very little bridges/dikes to connect them to each other and the mainland. It would take a series of amphibious operations to get them all. Take a look at this old map of Zeeland from t1912
 

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Interesting theme.

It depends when the Germans invade. There several options as almost ocured in OTL;
1) In August as part of the West offensive, but this mean that the Dutch would only be confronted with first rate troops in the South, Provinces Limbourg and Brabant.
2) 1916 and 1918, this was a partial invasion with he aim of securing the Province Zeeland in order to give the Imperial Navy a better U-boat base.

Let asume you mean the first option 1914 as part of the large West offensive.
Despite the , somewhat, defalist attitude of General Snijder, comander of the Dutch armed forces the state of the Dutch army was for 1914 standards up to date and modern. Many people confuse the state of the Dutch army in 1914 with that of 1940. There were some short commings, like modern heavy artilery, but these were awkonledged and were planned to be solved.
The soldiers of the field army were equiped with a relative modern rifle. Were dressed in a modern, field gray uniform. ( the Frenc had to wear bright red trousers and kepies).

The Dutch mobilised their army as one of the first nations, it was fully mobilised and all units were on their positions when hostilities broke out.
The main objective of the field army was to deny and delay an invading army in order to win time to complete the inundations of the Hollandse Waterline and the Zuidwater line.

The Germans would use their first rate troops only in the South as part of their masive push South to France. Their right flank, the rest of the Dutch and Belgian army would be confronted with second, third or even fourth rate troops. (as in OTL 1940)
The initail consequences would be, after negotiating the destroyed bridges over the river Meuse in the Netherlands, a broader front for the German 1st and 2nd army. The fortress of Liege would be not so much an obstacle for the German advance and circumvailed Possible that this will have consequences later on the Sothern Front with the French and BEF.

The Belgian army would most likely keep contact with the Dutch army and would retreat North West in stead of South West keeping contact witht he French. Since the river Scheldt is now open to supplies and reinforcements to Antwerp it makes it more likely that the Belgian army retreat North West in order to secure the South bank of the river Scheldt.
This result in less presure to the German advance South but also threaten the German right flank even more, although I do not hink there will be significant reinfocements or support from Great Brittian or France entering Antwerp. As in OTL the Belgians were more or less left alone at this stage of the war, except the British naval troops. The BEF will be connecting with French troops as in OTL.

Never the less a connecting with Dutch and Belgian troops will threat the German right flank and a possible outbrake in Spetember as in OTL could be more damaging. It will not be a sustained offensive since the Dutch and Belgian army were not capable of large scale counter offensives.

The ring of fortres of Antwerp would probably be broken as in OTL since it was not supported by inundations. The Hollandse water line and part of the Zuid water line could be held. No doubt many of the forts of mentioned lines would be shot to rubble but the main defense were the inundations. In OTL the Belgians stopped the German advance in an Ad Hoc water line so a enginered and prepared water line must certainly stop a German advance. Given the fact that the Germans at this secondary front were not the first rate troops as at the main front.

I imagine that at the end of 1914 the front will be as follows:
Main front will be entierly in France, The part of the front West of Paris will be much more South. May be the Line Boulogne-Doulens-Alber-St Quintin.
In the North, the Belgian Army will defend a strip of Belgian soil North of Bruges and Genth. essentially defending Dutch Zeeuws Flanders. Posiible usinng the old 16 century Spanish and State lines, earth works and inundations. The Dutch would hold the line at Walcheren, the Sloedam. as in OTL 1945 German army.
The Hollandse water line will be held only at the city of Utrecht, were the inundations are the weakest the main point of fighting will remain.

Consequences:
City of Utrecht will be shot to pieces as OTL Ieper. Ieper will survive in this TL as many of other towns and cities in West Flanders and Pais de Calias contrary to OTL.
Bergen op Zoom will be heavily damaged if not destoryed as part of the defense of Antwerp. Dendermonde will be destroyed as in OTL during the defense of Antwerp. Antwerp will be much more damaged as in OTL since the city will be defended more longer since its port will be open.
Heavy damage to Bruges, Genth, Vlissingen, Middelburg ( Zeeland) due to long range artilery of both sides. OTL 1940 Middelburg was shot in flames by French artilery at the South bank of the river Scheldt. Possible this happen in this TL as well.
Heavy damage to towns and cities in the Netherlands as in OTL Belgium during the advance of German troops.
Occupied Netherlands will undergo the same burden of destruction, looting and cruelty as Belgium (OTL)

Due to an occupied or blocked Netherlands, Germany will be deprived years earlier of essential supplies to maintain the war of atrition.
There are less troops availabel for the main fronts and needed to occupy the Netherlands next to Belgium.
North front with its inundations is not suited for offensives, the risk of a break through from the Dutch/Belgians will be limited.

Possible Churchill and Fisher will come up with an offensive plan to invade the North of the Netherland and East Frisia in an attempd to conquer the naval base of the Hochsee flotte; Wilhelmshaven and the Jade.

As mentioned in earlier post, it would be require a masive effort to supply around 2 to 3 milion people in Vesting Holland. Despite that in 1914 most of the Provinces of South and North Holand are not that urbanised as totday, the framers can not produce enough food.Beside this most of Holland is pasture land only suitable for dairy farming.
The supply convoys would be a major target for U-boats, Destroyers or trigger any other Naval action. It might even cause a much larger and frequenter use of the capital ships of Great Brittian and Germany.
 
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You are forgetting some Naval Action on the Zuiderzee (No afsluitdijk at this time), Also Den Helder was the Big Dutch Naval Harbor, there should be enough room to house a few old cruisers and destroyers / minelayers there (much closer to the german ports).
 

Dageraad

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I think that Zeeland is a much thougher nut to crack than you think. In 1900's it was just a collection of Islands with very little bridges/dikes to connect them to each other and the mainland. It would take a series of amphibious operations to get them all. Take a look at this old map of Zeeland from t1912
Are you proposing an invasion of the Frisian islands? Some vague memories wake up from a long slumber.
But in this time period the islands might actually be a front and a priority location for light units and amphibious operations.
The battle of Jutland might be the battle for Texel, this time
 
Are you proposing an invasion of the Frisian islands? Some vague memories wake up from a long slumber.
But in this time period the islands might actually be a front and a priority location for light units and amphibious operations.
The battle of Jutland might be the battle for Texel, this time
That would be Churchill OTL to be honest. Though his idea was mainly focused on gaining control of Terschelling. No idea how he imagined he could base any signifcant naval forces on that island to be honest.
 
That would be Churchill OTL to be honest. Though his idea was mainly focused on gaining control of Terschelling. No idea how he imagined he could base any signifcant naval forces on that island to be honest.
Churchill will not go for the tiny islands, but he will propose to invade East Frisia/Jever via Friesland Groningen in a plan to conquer or destroy Wilhelmshavn and Jade estuary which was the main German naval base and anchorage of the large units of the Hochsee flotte.
No doubt there will be elaborate offensive war plans made by the British and French to use the Belgian/Dutch front as a staging ground for offensives agiant the German industrial hartland.
 
Considering the fate of Belgium in OTL WW1 the devastation, of not only Belgium but the Netherlands would be gigantic. Considering a WW1 in this configuration it could last until 1916 or 1917. The looting of Belgium in OTL WW1 was on a masive scale, not only private property but complete factories were dismantled. Essentially this was the end of the heavy industry of Belgium, and it never fully recovered of this looting. Simmilar will happen with the industry of the Netherland. The industry of Enschede, Hengelo, Maastricht, Helmond, Eindhoven etc. will be destroyed. The Industry aroudn Utrecht will be under heavy artilery fire since it is just after the Waterline.
It is possible that number of cities like Amsterdam, Haarlem, The Hague Leiden will be under fire from large caliber guns from 1st or 2nd rate battleships.
In 1916 there will be a heavy storm and flood. This flood was in OTL quite damaging, but now in a country at war and the treatened area aroudn the front the flood damage will be more severe and no means to repair direct after the flood causing more damage.
In short a war of two to three years will devastate the Netherlands on a scale nearly as large if not larger than OTL ww2
 
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Churchill will not go for the tiny islands, but he will propose to invade East Frisia/Jever via Friesland Groningen in a plan to conquer or destroy Wilhelmshavn and Jade estuary which was the main German naval base and anchorage of the large units of the Hochsee flotte.
No doubt there will be elaborate offensive war plans made by the British and French to use the Belgian/Dutch front as a staging ground for offensives agiant the German industrial hartland.
Due the the dryfalling land at low tide, the narrow sealanes, and the distance ships need to keep from shore to avoid grounding,the Dutch and German north coast is a really really really bad spot for an invasion.
 
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