Neo-fascist Govt. in the UK

A bit of a challenge, but is it possible to have some POV where the National Front or the British National Party either have real support or actually take control in the UK? I was watching V For Vendetta again tonight, and started doing is reading on both groups. Not saying it would be pretty, but can anyone with more of a grasp on UK politics see a way? I know that there were the race riots in the mid 70's, but I don't know if just making them more violent or whathaveyou would do it.

Any ideas?
 

hammo1j

Donor
Generally the NF (forerunners) and BNP do well while Labour is in power since the Tories tend to be tighter on immigration. Typically the supporter is white working class in a precarious economic position which he blames on immigrants. Popularity is limited because everyone remembers that the same trick of the BNP was tried in Germany and look what trouble that got them into.

I can see Sunny Jim Callaghan going to the polls in 1978 = no Maggie Thatcher. Miners and more importantly IRA kick off earlier creating Anarchy in the UK. An unofficial militia forms under the the auspices of the NF cf the Brownshirts. Then there is a titanic struggle with the NF achieving the ascendancy.

This would need a more charismatic leader than in the OTL ...
 

ninebucks

Banned
The single most unrealistic bit in V for Vendetta was in the flashback sequence where it shows how Norsefire won the initial election - it shows a diagram of the distribution of seats in Westminster and only alots about 6 to the existing big two parties. And honestly, I don't think that's really possible. Party loyalty is very strong amongst certain sections of British society, i.e. for many people the idea of not voting Labour, or not voting Conservative, is nearly unthinkable. It's all down to our daft old class system.

No, I think the best way to see fascism arrive in Britain is for it to come through the Conservative Party. For instance, imagine a TL where the Liberals collapse basically as in OTL, but where the Labour Party fails to either a) come into existance, or b) over an electable alternative. The Tories then find themselves with in a political vacuum, and are able to expand accordingly. By this point, politics mostly occurs within the smokey back-rooms of Conservative Central Office, and not in the relative open of parliamentary politics. A group rises to prominence amongst the Tories of proto-Fascists.

Meanwhile, in Europe, the Spartacists seize control of Weimar Germany, the Republicans win the Spanish Civil War, and across the Channel, the Red Threat seems to be growing. This empowers the fascist-leaning Tories, and after holding a vote of no confidence in the sitting PM, manage to wrestle control of Parliament. Socialist politics are supressed and Britain becomes increasingly authoritarian.

So on, and so on, assuming there is a Second World War, Britain will almost certainly be on the winning side of it, thus further cementing the rule of the Party. The monopoly on power is furthered, dissent is crushed, and voila, Fascist Britain.
 
Easy:
The sirens wailed both police, fire engines & ambulances all heading for what was to become Britain's 'ground zero'. The column of smoke reached higher & higher, a RAF Typhon flashed near but it was too late the damage was done! Now the only duel going on in the sky was between news helicopters & Army Apaches - trying to keep the area 'clean'.
The area in question was the Houses of Parliament, a modern day Guy Fawkes had flown suicidal a Airbus A320 into the building during the State opening of Parliament!
In a subsequent video tape from Al Quaeda, Abu Fougas and has group were identified as being 'British' - a mixture of Muslim Asians and Sudanese asylum seekers.
The result of the impact, had wiped out virtually 90% of the Government and Opposition MP's, and most of the Lords present - together with the Queen!
The Country was in shock of days, weeks - indeed it fell to the military to establish order for some time. There were may riots, with some Mosques being burnt down.
But eventually a Civil Adminstration would have to be formed. The main parties elected new leaders - and candidates were selected - though few had experience except on Councils. However one organisation that hadn't been effected by the 'impact' was the BNP, indeed it had been able to whip up public opinion to take action - with at least implied support from many of the papers.
The election came - with Jeremy Vine hosting the 'Election Special' a was a big turn-out, there was tension in the air - what would the 'people' decide would they vote BNP perhaps thinking of a protest or really intending them to win, we'll never know what went through their minds. But as the night wore on, the results came a resounding result, for a totally different Britain.
A surprised but elated Nick Griffin made his entrance into No. 10.
The Nation wondered (some with a sense of what have we done - others now we'll see some action) what will happen next.

So any ideas what does happen next!?
 
A bit of a challenge, but is it possible to have some POV where the National Front or the British National Party either have real support or actually take control in the UK?

Any ideas?

If I were you I'd read 'Gnome's' fantastic TL "If Gordon Banks Had Played", which gives you an plausible, effectively fascist Britain in the 1970's.

I do have another, more recent idea, but it's a bit silly and I'll probably get laughed at. Maybe I'll expand later if I find the time.
 
If I were you I'd read 'Gnome's' fantastic TL "If Gordon Banks Had Played", which gives you an plausible, effectively fascist Britain in the 1970's.

I do have another, more recent idea, but it's a bit silly and I'll probably get laughed at. Maybe I'll expand later if I find the time.

Yeah, that's a fantastic one! Editing is a little off in places, but the story is brilliant.

Oh come on, there have been plenty of bizarre ideas around here, that doesn't mean it'll get laughed at. Think of Extinction Event: the POD there could be said to be a silly one.
 
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