Late to this post, but Italy and Greece for sure are the most likely. Maybe all of Germany but that’s a huge stretch and the UK and US won’t have it.
Most vulnerable Western European states to communism?
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France, because the only people willing to work with the french would the the reds
this is coming from a brit
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Technically, there are Catholics that do this. Mostly because they reject Vatican I.
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Then there would have been like three "real communists" in the whole word and the whole term would be largely meaningless. In history communism has come to connotate the gigantically influential Soviet experiment and model and its direct offshoots. Who moreover called themselves communists and marxists-leninists etc. It would really be totally redefining the term to mean whatever else - and I bet there would not be much common agreement among this tiny minority that insist "communism" meaning something else than Leninism-Marxism.
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Spain probably wouldn't do because anarchism was the strongest leftist movement there. The only way to impose Marxist Stalinism would be the same way that Franco used: use overwhelming force, concentration camps, and weapons of war, until the "enemies of the people" surrender or there are no more "enemies of the people" alive.
In addition to the fact that in many cases you would need a very fanatical and stubborn elite trying to impose the theoretical content of a book against the will of 99% of their compatriots.
I'd say you'd need a country that's primarily agricultural but with a small, radicalized industrial class, plus a swarm of very elitist intellectuals who keep repeating to themselves how great they are and how stupid the rest of us are...
In addition to the fact that in many cases you would need a very fanatical and stubborn elite trying to impose the theoretical content of a book against the will of 99% of their compatriots.
I'd say you'd need a country that's primarily agricultural but with a small, radicalized industrial class, plus a swarm of very elitist intellectuals who keep repeating to themselves how great they are and how stupid the rest of us are...
No...you've got it backwards. You simultaneously say that "communism has come to connotate the gigantically influential Soviet experiment".
You then say "it would really be totally redefining the term to mean something else".
But you've got it backward. Calling whatever Stalin and Mao did "communism" is completely redefining the historical term, and making the Communist Manifesto and Marxism not communist, which is patently absurd (hint: Marxist-Leninism and Marxism are very much not the same thing).
I'm tempted to give an impolite answer - but won't. In history, first come is rarely first served, and Lenin grabbed the copyright. Ruthless bugger. The question has been resolved over a century ago.
No. If you think Marxist-Leninism (which was first coined by Stalin) and Marxism are the same thing, you're just wrong.
Did I say that? No, they are not the same at all. Still, overwhelmingly the most concrete, overwhelmingly the most important historical interpretations of Marx were either Leninist or revisionist. And whatever directly developed from them. Marx used the term quite vaguely indeed leaving it basically free for adoption. And Vladimir Ilyich obliged. And so it goes. Or went.
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It would undoubtedly be very punctual and orderly
Perhaps. Maybe mixed with decentralization, fuller secularization, possible internal reorganization, and perhaps adoption of Esperanto or some other auxiliary language.
Dealing with three different languages, though - would be funny if Latin gets a boost from this one. Either the full version or Peano's Latino sine flexione.It would undoubtedly be very punctual and orderly
Why? Probably they use the Yugoslavian model "you can be attended in your language in all parts of the country"