Mormons settle Baja California and not Utah, effects on Mexican history?

[GeographyDude]

That would of required a different Mexican mentality that would of also played differently in Texas war so we may not of had texas war end the way it did. . .

. . . I do agree that the Mexican government might see these new Anglos as a second Texas, but unlike the Texans, the Mormons are feeling oppression and have no motivation to annex themselves back to the country that pushed them out of Illinois and Missouri and murdered their first leader. . .

Yes, a perhaps somewhat different mentality on both U.S. and Mexican sides.

Best case scenario is better trade relations, and people with Spanish heritage better accepted in U.S. and Anglos in Mexico. Both countries somewhat richer, Mexico helped more, and thus the two countries more nearly equal.

PS I know this is different than your main path scenario.

 

[TonyA]

Kinda puts a different spin on "building a wall on our southern border", now, don't it?

 

[John7755 يوحنا]

80's is not 19th Century, people were far more religious back there and EAS before the worst excess and Sins if the priest become public( they always exist but mass media Made them force to accept reality) plus México was pretty religiously catholic...that Will be fun...

Mexico was so religiously catholic that there are public photographs from the 19th century exihibiting clergy hanging from poles and other public executions. There certainly was a heavy anti clerical trend in Mexico during this period.

 

[mrmandias]

Baja is a LOT further from Nauvoo then the Salt Lake Valley is. And not over easy terrain. Especially southern Baja.

Now, with good roads everywhere, its about 600 miles more. Then its pretty hairy even getting there and you could be talking an extra 800-1000 miles to travel.

 

[kingwilliam14]

Imagine Mormons teaming up with Southern filibusters.

Baja would be American territory in short order.

 

[kingwilliam14]

Mexico was so religiously catholic that there are public photographs from the 19th century exihibiting clergy hanging from poles and other public executions. There certainly was a heavy anti clerical trend in Mexico during this period.

That is true. The Cristero war was a bloodbath on the levels of the European Wars of Religion.

 

[Zioneer]

Imagine Mormons teaming up with Southern filibusters.

Baja would be American territory in short order.

The early Mormons didn't much like Southern pro-slavery extremists, particularly because the Missourians and Illinoisans who caused them to flee to Utah in the first place were vehemently pro-slavery and accused the Mormons of plotting to baptize and free their slaves.

 

[Mort the Reaper]

That is true. The Cristero war was a bloodbath on the levels of the European Wars of Religion.

Or the Syrian Civil War.

The early Mormons didn't much like Southern pro-slavery extremists, particularly because the Missourians and Illinoisans who caused them to flee to Utah in the first place were vehemently pro-slavery and accused the Mormons of plotting to baptize and free their slaves.

Rather ironic, considering the early Mormons introduced African slavery to Utah.

 

[Zioneer]

Rather ironic, considering the early Mormons introduced African slavery to Utah.

It is; the years between 1830 and 1850 changed a lot about Mormonism, and slaveholders becoming converts did happen, which shifted the views on slavery overall.

 

[thekingsguard]

Didn't the Mormons moving west do so specifically looking for an inland sea?

Isn't that why Mormon Manitoba is so popular a trope?