Moiciba Guazabara
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Cool, it's here!
I doubt that European contact with the Americas can be delayed too long, given all the rumors floating around, but it will be interesting to see what happens with the delay and the earlier focus on Africa.
I doubt that European contact with the Americas can be delayed too long, given all the rumors floating around, but it will be interesting to see what happens with the delay and the earlier focus on Africa.
Its finally up!
Yep!
You guess correctly, sir.
Thanks, I try.
Thank you. Things are certainly going to get interesting indeed.
Yep, it will only be delayed for so long, unfortunately. Though what they find will surprise them.
Thanks, glad to see you're on board.
Huehuecoyotl
Monthly Donor
Glad to see someone finally tackling this! It will be interesting to see how matters in the Aztec and Inca Empires progress if they go (for a time) uninterrupted by European adventurers and smallpox.
katchen
Banned
Don't forget Navarre and don't forget the Basques. IOTL, Navarre was totally upstaged and even landlocked by Castille but ITTL, with Castille on the ropes from the Muslims, Navarre may have the chance to take Bilbao and San Sebastian. And the Basques already know about America, since they've been fishing off the Grand Banks and drying their catch on Newfoundland and Nova Scotia and doing some trading with the Beothuk and Miqmaq and possibly even Abenaki. So perhaps an independent Navarre, becoming the political face of the Basques can be one of the nations that discovers and makes use of the New World.
Thanks for that. I knew about the Basque fisherman, and the suggestion for Navarre is a good idea. I intended for Spain to have some more setbacks, and having Iberia be a much more divided place for the foreseeable future ITTL.
Interesting start and I'll be interesting to see where it goes.
I don't know if I would put much stock in re-establishing Moorish Granada, though, as you seem to be setting up. The Granada remnant that was last conquered by Spain was largely independent of Africa and had actually been paying tribute to Castille for years prior to the last war. It was an artifact that existed longer than it really had the strength and allies to support, and the minute it was more useful and profitable for the Reyes Catolicos to utterly destroy it, they did.
Granted, if the Ottomans get involved it is possible but that seems out of character for their foreign policy in this time period.
Good luck, I'll be following this.
I don't know if I would put much stock in re-establishing Moorish Granada, though, as you seem to be setting up. The Granada remnant that was last conquered by Spain was largely independent of Africa and had actually been paying tribute to Castille for years prior to the last war. It was an artifact that existed longer than it really had the strength and allies to support, and the minute it was more useful and profitable for the Reyes Catolicos to utterly destroy it, they did.
Granted, if the Ottomans get involved it is possible but that seems out of character for their foreign policy in this time period.
Good luck, I'll be following this.
katchen
Banned
My pleasure. If Navarre can remain viably independent, it can be a refuge for Iberia's Jews too (to Navarre's great benefit). And possibly become a combination of commercial and colonizing nation somewhere between the Netherlands and England. And Basque can become a more important language with more people in the world speaking it.
If Navarre can remain viably independent, it can be a refuge for Iberia's Jews too (to Navarre's great benefit). And possibly become a combination of commercial and colonizing nation somewhere between the Netherlands and England. And Basque can become a more important language with more people in the world speaking it.I haven't fleshed it out completely. Morocco sees an opportunity to expand into Europe than Africa; and in terms of Ottoman support, more "gold and mercenaries" than Janissaries marching into Spain. It probably won't last very long, but the aim of shattering Spain and disrupting Portugal for a time was the key.
My pleasure.
I was looking for someone with the means, motivation, and small enough to be overlooked as they begin some later expansions into the Americas (or whatever they end up getting called in TTL).
Missed You, but...
Well I'm not worried about what would attract them in the future, more who.
