Maximum Development

Trying to foresee what future lies ahead of humanity (or her successors).

After the time of gadgets like mobile phones, night vision goggles, and so on, came the time of implants - built in computers, radios, and so on. It was followed by the time of genetic "improvement" - which rid humanity of practically all diseases, even most weaknesses. If the brain stayed intact, a human could survive nearly any blow.

Even that was topped in the age of virtuality, were human brains were melted with machines until humans weren't much more than complex computer programs anymore. This Homo ex Machina could be a microscopic probe, or a giant supercomputer.

The computers grew more and more in size. Pretty soon, the biggest were as large as Asteroids or whole Mountains. Later, they became as big as moons or continents. finally, they took the size of planets. Even gas giants and brown dwarf stars were transformed into giant human computers. The stars too big to settle were usually the energy source of the smaller intelligent units, while the larger planets produced enough energy in their cores to last for billions of years.

Those planetary human beings calculated their paths for millions of years in advance, using minor corrections of their path and stellar events out of their control (like fast moving stars) to go wherever they wanted to go, coordinating their efforts with the other beings.

There were still wars - sometimes, a being tried to turn another being into an "offspring" of its own instead of searching for an empty planet, which could hardly be prevented whenever the victim was considerably less advanced. Groups of planets sometimes tried to force other planets into submission by bringing them into situations where they couldn't avoid falling into a star or a black hole. As it was not taken very well if a planet actually died this way, the being was usually given a chance to transfer into an asteroid and try to find another planet far away, so that the now empty planet could be saved by the intimidators. Nuclear bombs and other weapons were also used.

Only when a group clashed with another group did it sometimes happen that the majority of the more peaceful planets wasn't able to keep greater harm from happening.

There still were some planets which hosted quite a few human minds - even billions in some cases, usually just as simulations. Virtual beings. But many humans wanted their own planet, even assembled Asteroids or forced stars into paths which made them tear apart.

Whole clusters of planets or stellar systems with planets were leaving the galaxy to move to other galaxies or the vast empty space inbetween, usually by using the power of two or more black holes or large stars spinning around each other.

The galaxies inhabitated by "humans" usually quickly became dark places, as stars were mined or torn apart within a few million years to create new planets for additional beings. Radio signals and "search lights" eventually became the only "light" travelling through those systems.

When the Milky Way merged with the Andromeda Galaxy, not a single stellar object crashed into another one, except where it was desired. Both together merged into the largest and most undisturbed globular cluster in the history of the universe. Like a giant clockwork, all the planets and asteroids always found a way to avoid unwanted clashes - usually by following a path which avoided collisions without needing any corrections.

Thus, hundreds of billions of "planetary humans" roamed the universe, billions of them exploring the vast reaches of the universe, hoping to find another race, maybe even one that could challenge them...

Any better ideas of the maximum possible development within the known laws of physics?
 
I didn't even know whether its feasible to build enormous Dyson sphere supercomputers/humans.

How do you settle a star?

How are humans now born?!

Frankly, I think that humanity will reach a peak, and then technology will plateau or even regress.
 

Glen

Moderator
jolo said:
Trying to foresee what future lies ahead of humanity (or her successors).

After the time of gadgets like mobile phones, night vision goggles, and so on, came the time of implants - built in computers, radios, and so on. It was followed by the time of genetic "improvement" - which rid humanity of practically all diseases, even most weaknesses. If the brain stayed intact, a human could survive nearly any blow.

Even that was topped in the age of virtuality, were human brains were melted with machines until humans weren't much more than complex computer programs anymore. This Homo ex Machina could be a microscopic probe, or a giant supercomputer.

The computers grew more and more in size. Pretty soon, the biggest were as large as Asteroids or whole Mountains. Later, they became as big as moons or continents. finally, they took the size of planets. Even gas giants and brown dwarf stars were transformed into giant human computers. The stars too big to settle were usually the energy source of the smaller intelligent units, while the larger planets produced enough energy in their cores to last for billions of years.

Those planetary human beings calculated their paths for millions of years in advance, using minor corrections of their path and stellar events out of their control (like fast moving stars) to go wherever they wanted to go, coordinating their efforts with the other beings.

There were still wars - sometimes, a being tried to turn another being into an "offspring" of its own instead of searching for an empty planet, which could hardly be prevented whenever the victim was considerably less advanced. Groups of planets sometimes tried to force other planets into submission by bringing them into situations where they couldn't avoid falling into a star or a black hole. As it was not taken very well if a planet actually died this way, the being was usually given a chance to transfer into an asteroid and try to find another planet far away, so that the now empty planet could be saved by the intimidators. Nuclear bombs and other weapons were also used.

Only when a group clashed with another group did it sometimes happen that the majority of the more peaceful planets wasn't able to keep greater harm from happening.

There still were some planets which hosted quite a few human minds - even billions in some cases, usually just as simulations. Virtual beings. But many humans wanted their own planet, even assembled Asteroids or forced stars into paths which made them tear apart.

Whole clusters of planets or stellar systems with planets were leaving the galaxy to move to other galaxies or the vast empty space inbetween, usually by using the power of two or more black holes or large stars spinning around each other.

The galaxies inhabitated by "humans" usually quickly became dark places, as stars were mined or torn apart within a few million years to create new planets for additional beings. Radio signals and "search lights" eventually became the only "light" travelling through those systems.

When the Milky Way merged with the Andromeda Galaxy, not a single stellar object crashed into another one, except where it was desired. Both together merged into the largest and most undisturbed globular cluster in the history of the universe. Like a giant clockwork, all the planets and asteroids always found a way to avoid unwanted clashes - usually by following a path which avoided collisions without needing any corrections.

Thus, hundreds of billions of "planetary humans" roamed the universe, billions of them exploring the vast reaches of the universe, hoping to find another race, maybe even one that could challenge them...

Any better ideas of the maximum possible development within the known laws of physics?

Better? Don't know about that. Different? A little.

Have you ever checked out Orion's Arm?
 
WhatIsAUserName said:
I didn't even know whether its feasible to build enormous Dyson sphere supercomputers/humans.

How do you settle a star?

How are humans now born?!

Frankly, I think that humanity will reach a peak, and then technology will plateau or even regress.

I suppose there is no limit to the size of a computer.

A small star (brown dwarf) shouldn't be too different from a gas giant. It should also have a core, which can be cooled down (in parts) to allow complex structures to exist on the surface of the core, or floating in the atmosphere.

Humans could be born by simply building a computer, downloading a "mind software" and hitting the start button.

I don't see a reason why technology should fail to progress - except maybe in short term interruptions.
 
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The Sandman said:
Read Charles Stross' Accelerando; it's a pretty interesting depiction of something vaguely similar to this.

Just peeked into it - a little bit too conservative imo, and also a very uninteresting beginning. Also, this person can't write nearly as good as Chris...
 
Glen said:
Better? Don't know about that. Different? A little.

Have you ever checked out Orion's Arm?

What's your vision?

Checked out Orion's Arm now - lots of good ideas, much more complex and detailed than my vision. Looking at some of the similarities, knowing I'm not the only one with such ideas, I suppose it's not too unrealistic.
 
Bright day
Linked computers- stupid, stupid, STUPID. Rate of diminishing returns. You need to set apart ever increasing portion to maintain "overhead". And already micron sized defieciences hurt our modern technology, new technologies may allow us some advance- a generation or two, but unless we transcend matter, that is realisticaly as far as we can go.
 
Gladi said:
Bright day
Linked computers- stupid, stupid, STUPID. Rate of diminishing returns. You need to set apart ever increasing portion to maintain "overhead". And already micron sized defieciences hurt our modern technology, new technologies may allow us some advance- a generation or two, but unless we transcend matter, that is realisticaly as far as we can go.

Which is why I didn't link planets together (though there might be instances of whole systems being controlled by a single intelligence). I suppose it's more efficient to have independent minds acting as allies, making groups of individuals superior to centralized systems of equal size.

There are quite a few things that can be outsourced without diminishing returns - databases, simulations, specialized tasks, and so on. Also, a huge database can be much faster in generating some results than a processor calculating everything all the time - even if it's so huge that it slows under it's on size.

Also, on a planet, electricity won't need more than a fraction of a second to travel from one side to the other - allowing for a mind to act coherently even if it's distributed around the whole planet - though it's not necessary that the "central intelligence" is that big. A smaller one could react much faster.
 

Glen

Moderator
jolo said:
Which is why I didn't link planets together (though there might be instances of whole systems being controlled by a single intelligence). I suppose it's more efficient to have independent minds acting as allies, making groups of individuals superior to centralized systems of equal size.

There are quite a few things that can be outsourced without diminishing returns - databases, simulations, specialized tasks, and so on. Also, a huge database can be much faster in generating some results than a processor calculating everything all the time - even if it's so huge that it slows under it's on size.

Also, on a planet, electricity won't need more than a fraction of a second to travel from one side to the other - allowing for a mind to act coherently even if it's distributed around the whole planet - though it's not necessary that the "central intelligence" is that big. A smaller one could react much faster.

Right. The bigger your 'brain' gets, the longer its going to take to cross talk at the speed of light.

Planet sized brains won't think as fast as human sized brains. Just a lot more.

Unless of course you use wormholes for buses...:eek:
 
Glen said:
Planet sized brains won't think as fast as human sized brains. Just a lot more.

The equivalent to reflexes could work as fast as can be. Also, as electricity travels pretty slow in nerves, the consciousness of this electric brain might be about as fast - humans have also quite some reaction time.
 

Glen

Moderator
jolo said:
The equivalent to reflexes could work as fast as can be. Also, as electricity travels pretty slow in nerves, the consciousness of this electric brain might be about as fast - humans have also quite some reaction time.

No, it wouldn't be. Anders Sandberg has an elegant paper on this on the web.
 
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