Map Thread XXII

as a rule of thumb, I doubt France would let go of Piedmont and Liguria in a Napoleonic victory, but eh, you do you. At the very least Aosta and Valais would be retained, those are Francophone areas.
But for example Napoleon didn't annexed Francophone areas in Switzerland.
And a Napoleon would still be the king of Italy.
 
But for example Napoleon didn't annexed Francophone areas in Switzerland.
And a Napoleon would still be the king of Italy.
Valais was annexed to France, though.
As a rule of thumb, Napoleon didn't give up land, and if he did it was outside of what could be considered the core geopolitical aspirations of France at the time.
Which were the Rhine Border and Piedmont.
 
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Here we see the desk of an ad-man, (probably 1965 or so) from another timeline, where the Atlantic Revolutions of the 18th and 19th century shake out quite differently

I really like this style of loading screens you see in some Paradox mods-it gives you so room for background details
 
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Inspired by Anagnod's map, I thought about a roughly 1840s post war Napoleonic map. Realistic? Maybe not, but who cares?
The idea being that after a victory against Russia with the help of Sweden, France returns to it's "natural borders".
Do we have any other Napoleonic plans outside of his plan to divide Portugal?
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What is the situation with the far northern islands in the Atlantic? Iceland, Greenland, and the Faroe Islands their own kingdom? As for plans Napoleon would probably do what the French did IOTL and restore Danzig, which the Prussians had only seized in the last decade or two, to independent status so the Poles have a friendly port at the mouth of the Vistula. Might also be Lithuania is independent or its own thing? I don’t think Nappy thought about the Balts too much, so who can say which way he would lean.
 
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Here we see the desk of an ad-man, (probably 1965 or so) from another timeline, where the Atlantic Revolutions of the 18th and 19th century shake out quite differently

I really like this style of loading screens you see in some Paradox mods-it gives you so room for background details
This is sweet. Love the little "easter eggs" for what's beyond Ireland here
 
But for example Napoleon didn't annexed Francophone areas in Switzerland.
And a Napoleon would still be the king of Italy.
If Napoleon only wanted areas that spoke French in his country then he would have less territory than modern France does.

Do you mean a Bonaparte would still be King of Italy? Just checking, as some people seem to think Napoleon and his son would always be King of Italy. He only took the position because his brother and his nephew both declined it, and he immediately made his stepson/adopted son Eugene his Viceroy. France might not want to give up Genoa, Piedmont, Tuscany, and Rome to this state, but it is possible that most of them go into one country with the right POD, or if local rulers manage to keep order so the French didn’t decide to annex the lands instead of just looting everything but the murals. As shown with Spain, the French would find a reason. Might I suggest France keeps Piedmont and Liguria/Genoa, Tuscany goes to a spare relative of his (maybe this time he manages to force his republican brother to divorce his wife so he can marry the Grand Duchess of Tuscany/Queen of Etruria ), and then Italy gets the Illyrian Provinces? In my head it seems aesthetically pleasing, but Rome is a sticking point as it had such historical significance, despite its lackluster economy. Maybe Napoleon’s uncle, who was a cardinal, gets the Papal Tiara?
 
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Redid the map, but didn't include those little Russian satellite states of Poland east of the rivers. I think that would be too much for an already French wank.
Did a mix of the little and big partition plan against the Ottomans.
Also united Wallachia and Moldavia, just because I think it's neat.

Of course Russia's influence would instead be divided between Austria and France itself.

Also apologies for the post Ottoman borders. I tried with the best of my abilities but can't find many resources on what the plans defined as Bulgaria and Albania, also a bit confused about Ottoman provinces during the time.
Wouldn't Cyprus and the Aegean Islands join the new Peloponnesian-Cretan Greek state? Also, why don't the Aromanians have their own country south of Albania in Epirus?
 
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(Same universe as the Danube Monarcho-Socialists).

The Argentine Reich is a one-party totalitarian dictatorship that extends over part of South America. It was founded between World War II and World War III by Hermann von Goering, who had been exiled by the conquests of Bonapartist France.

After his victory in the 1943 elections, he chose to ban all other parties and embarked on an expansionist project with Brazil to dominate the subcontinent. Although these attempts were thwarted by the technocrats of Peru and the Surreal Republic of Gran Colombia, which had become much stronger and more resistant, both nations managed to expand greatly, amassing considerable power.

Today, the Argentine Reich is a corrupt and decadent nation under the rule of a bureaucracy that is maintained only by its brutality. The Reichkomissariat Mittelamerika is its sole colony, where various soldiers and petty party members go to enrich themselves from the vast network of trafficking and slavery, usually becoming landlords within the heavily impoverished region. From Goeringsburg, the capital, French diplomats act to support the racialist and highly esoteric regime of the Reich, usually crushing rebellions and ensuring that there is no opposition to the government, even sabotaging the Techno-Magistrate of Peru (a technocratic authoritarian state that managed to make a thriving country out of the poverty that everyone suffered decades ago) with the State of Brazil (a military junta).
 
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New map, trying to revamp my old TL that went nowhere. Lore is Cocolitztli plague of 1545 spreads to Europe and disrupts colonization of the Americas
 
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New map, trying to revamp my old TL that went nowhere. Lore is Cocolitztli plague of 1545 spreads to Europe and disrupts colonization of the Americas
Absolutely amazing. Could we get a rough 1-a handful of sentences rundown of each country shown on this map?

Top tier flags btw.
 

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A map I made for the American Motherland EG, one part of the lore is a North and South Japan. In the Cold War between the Russian Empire and the United Socialist American Republics, Japan and Germany were divided in two during the Great Patriotic War. However, both powers have quite overestimated how much control they held onto Tokyo and Kitakyushu: Chairmen Miyamoto and then Miyazaki have significantly derived from the American party line, while many MPs in the Tokyo Diet resent the loss of Hokkaido. The Japanese Communist Party has become the standard bearer for what is increasingly being nicknamed "Nihocommunism" or "Sushi Socialism", offering a freer society and stronger focus on consumer goods and living standards than its American counterpart. Meanwhile, the Emperor's paranoia has seeped into the Diet, leading to rash decisions like the fencing of North Kyoto with barbwire, in order to protect the population against "Communist lies of a workers' paradise." What ensued was a diplomatic crisis, as Chairman Miyamoto blocked all access to the Ise Sanctuary in retaliation, freezing relations between the two sibling nations. One can only wish Japan a future happier than its recent past.
 
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Here we see the desk of an ad-man, (probably 1965 or so) from another timeline, where the Atlantic Revolutions of the 18th and 19th century shake out quite differently

I really like this style of loading screens you see in some Paradox mods-it gives you so room for background details
A visit to Ireland is always good, in any timeline :)
 
What is the situation with the far northern islands in the Atlantic? Iceland, Greenland, and the Faroe Islands their own kingdom? As for plans Napoleon would probably do what the French did IOTL and restore Danzig, which the Prussians had only seized in the last decade or two, to independent status so the Poles have a friendly port at the mouth of the Vistula. Might also be Lithuania is independent or its own thing? I don’t think Nappy thought about the Balts too much, so who can say which way he would lean.
They are part of the British recognized realm of Denmark-Norway.
Honestly yeah I can see Danzig remaining independent. I think I just thought about good looking borders, but a Polish friendly port does seem like a smart thing to have.
The Commonwealth itself I imagine being split between Poland, Lithuania and Ruthenia.
Wouldn't Cyprus and the Aegean Islands join the new Peloponnesian-Cretan Greek state? Also, why don't the Aromanians have their own country south of Albania in Epirus?
Cyprus and the Aegeans were supposed to be part of this Greek state in the more radical proposal to split the Ottomans. But I thought this was a bit too radical and weird looking.

And for the Aromanians there simply wasn't any mentioning.
Even getting what they meant with Bulgaria and Albania in that proposal was hard enough.
 
Cyprus and the Aegeans were supposed to be part of this Greek state in the more radical proposal to split the Ottomans. But I thought this was a bit too radical and weird looking.

And for the Aromanians there simply wasn't any mentioning.
Even getting what they meant with Bulgaria and Albania in that proposal was hard enough.
If you want thinks really Radical, have th Russians, British, or French keeping Corfu or Malta (all had sorta claims due to wartime occupations) or have Egypt with Cyprus. Speaking of which, what is the situation in Albania? Republic, confederation, a kingdom with an Albanian Christian or Muslim incharge? Unsure how Montenegro is surviving with three much larger states now around them, rather than Ottomans (who had no point to invade) and an independent Ragusa. Anyways, what plans are you going with for the Balkans? Was it the one with France backing up the Russians there? Or are the French or Austrians setting up their own clients?
 
If you want thinks really Radical, have th Russians, British, or French keeping Corfu or Malta (all had sorta claims due to wartime occupations) or have Egypt with Cyprus. Speaking of which, what is the situation in Albania? Republic, confederation, a kingdom with an Albanian Christian or Muslim incharge? Unsure how Montenegro is surviving with three much larger states now around them, rather than Ottomans (who had no point to invade) and an independent Ragusa. Anyways, what plans are you going with for the Balkans? Was it the one with France backing up the Russians there? Or are the French or Austrians setting up their own clients?

Based in this plan.
Thanks
That proposition is interesting, from what I get it wouldn't include most of Gallicia, Astures or Northern leon (maybe Cantabria too? not sure what those provinces the text talks about are), they would be awkwardly linked to Castille only through Portugal..

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Anyway while we're onto napoleonic proposals

1) There were two crisis in 1802 and 1808 between France and Algiers over Piracy (such that would lead to the barbary wars); on July 28 1808 an official report written after a governmental inquiry by Jeanbon Saint-André, the old consul of France in Algeria and then governor of Cisrhenian departements over the course of action to follow concluded that a Naval attack on Algiers would be useless because of new fortification, and it strongly advocated for a "Boots on the ground" intervention to take Algiers "to be accomplished in 8 days".

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In 1808, Algiers returned to the forefront of the scene. Thus, on February 2, Napoleon wrote to Champigny, his minister of foreign relations:
"Monsieur de Champagny, I give orders to the minister of the navy to dispatch a brig from Toulon to Algiers. You will send him your dispatches for Sieur Dubois-Thainville, to whom you will give the order that if, 48 hours after the request he will have made, the dey does not return the Genoese, Corsican and Italian slaves, in accordance with our treaties, he will have to leave Algiers and make it known to the dey that I am declaring war on him." ""
These threats were reminiscent of the crisis of 1802 and the ultimatum (with threats unrelated to the real preparations of the moment) of July 27 of that year: "If you refuse to give me satisfaction, and if you do not repress the licentiousness of your ministers who dare to insult my agents, and of your ships who dare to insult my flag, I will land 80,000 men on your coasts, and I will destroy your regency.""


2) It seems that there were 2 additional scenarios for the joint Franco-Russian partition of the ottoman empire that appeared during discussions between Caulaincourt, Nikolay Rumyantsev and Alexander I that followed the February 2 1808 letter from Napoleon to Alexander about a joint attack on the ottoman empire and that led to the Congress of Erfurt

"Dismentlement if both Russia and Austria participated to the Indies expedition"
France: Albania, Candia (Crete), Morea
Russia: Wallachia, Moldova, Bulgaria
Austria: "Turkish croatia" and Bosnia (France reserved the right to claim parts of them)
Independent Serbia led by an austrian archduke

"Wider dismantlement of the Ottoman empire":

France: Albania, Candia (Crete), Morea, All Aegean islands, Cyprus, Rhodes, Echelles du levant, Syria, Egypt, and an open military road from France to the Levant through russia and Austria.
Russia: Wallachia, Moldova, Bulgaria, Parts of Rumelia, Bulgaria
Austria: "Turkish croatia" and Bosnia (France reserved the right to claim parts of them), Serbia, Macedonia with an Aegean coast
 
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New map, trying to revamp my old TL that went nowhere. Lore is Cocolitztli plague of 1545 spreads to Europe and disrupts colonization of the Americas
It must have been quite traumatic for the Yuchi to have split from the Creek/Muskoke given that based on archaeology, culture, and linguistics, the ancestors of each group seem to have had a relationship going back at least to the 14th century and maybe as early as the 12th century.
 
Absolutely amazing. Could we get a rough 1-a handful of sentences rundown of each country shown on this map?

Top tier flags btw.
Thanks!

Rundown of Countries (North-to-South)

Avalon-in-the-West: Nation made by protestants fleeing persecution in England during the 1st and 2nd European Empires. Most populous nation in the ACU

K. of the Three Isles: Formed from the expulsion of Catholic Avalonians following its independence in the 1870s. They also own two chunks of Newfoundland

Oinipegi: Formed from Ashinabe and Cree bands that opposed the Iron Confederacy and the Xosau confederation. Still relatively unindustrialized

Hoppland: Former Swedish colony, now plurality German (the result of mass immigration in the early 20th century)

Neu Bremen-Draxenflush: German colony, officially a member of the United Hanseatic Republics along with most of Northern Germany

Kievts Hoek: Former Dutch colony, now in the shadow of Ryningstad and Sherbrooke

Valfangstöar: Swedish-Hopplander codominion, relies entirely on Whaling as a primary industry

Canosioni: Once the Confederation of the 8 fires, now plurality European and Seneca-German creole speaking

Terre Érié: French-Fox state, dominated by the Friends of God's Light, a small protestant chuch

The Swansfelde: Former English colony of Maryland, decided after a revolution to remove all 'Latin' aspects of their language and culture

Taliceau: Formerly Swansfelder, an independent city under Floride's protection since '83

Floride: The other major nation, formed from colonies of French Huguenots migrating westwards. Generally more Agrarian than its Northern neighbours

Marronia: Originally a Qilombo populated by various native groups and free Africans, has a poor relationship with Floride

Yutcia: The Yuchi allied with the Floridians and Avalonians against the Latin Empire in the 30s, and were rewarded with their own state

Satepou: The unorganized French colonists were never able to fully dislodge the Cherokee from their old homelands

Muskoke Conf: Sandwiched between colonial powers for much of their history, fiercly independent and militarized

Pensacola: Republican rebels pushed out imperial forces decades ago, but the anthrax still haunts their development

Bayuk: Bulbancha is only smaller than Ryningstad, and is the principle port for all trans-Xosau riverine traffic

Chatta Conf: The Western Muscogeans were not as disrupted by colonialism, and their culture has lasted. The only constituent nation that is plurality non-Christian

Tonicha: Recently 'converted' to the cause of American unity with the promise of industrial development and defence against the Xoasau

Bahama & Eleutheria: Still claimed by the English, but free under the protection of the combined Floride-Avalon fleet
 
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