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Ah, okay. Should Freedom 9 be a Eurydice as well, then?
That one is Intentional! Though the Atlas does make it a bit confusing, hrm.

Project Eurydice was a Joint US-Soviet lunar venture, with a Space Shuttle (unrelated to the Orbiter) operated between the Earth and the Moon. In this case, it's a Soviet-led mission using American equipment to get things in position before the Zond missions get into full swing. It's named after Space Station Freedom, which ITTL is really just a beefed up Skylab rather than the ISS or the proposed SSF.

Though the mission starts from Space Station Freedom (hence the Freedom Moniker), it's by-and-large a Soviet lunar mission done in concert with US mission control to get the Cosmonauts back home.
 
I dont know were to really put this, but I liked it as historic material:
"American propaganda map from the Second World War (1943) showing an imagined Operation Barbarossa-style invasion of the United States." (Propagandopolis in twitter)
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I dont know were to really put this, but I liked it as historic material:
"American propaganda map from the Second World War (1943) showing an imagined Operation Barbarossa-style invasion of the United States." (Propagandopolis in twitter)
Fsz5lh3WIAYtrBK
I've seen this one several times, but it always gets crazier the farther you take it.

If Quebec City is Murmansk, that means Canada is Finland. That means Canada is going to invade.
If Oklahoma City is Grozny, that means Oklahoma is Chechnya. That means islamist rebels in the 90s and 00s.
If Phoenix is Tashkent, does that make Arizona Uzbekistan? Does that mean New Mexico is Kazakhstan? (ie south of Chelyabinsk)
Who is Texas supposed to be? Georgia?
 
Partition 1945

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The communist world on arrival

Consists of the USSR, puppet states and occupied territories in Europe and Asia, and the area controlled by the communists in the Chinese civil war


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The communist world after 55 years

By the time of the Partition the communist world was already used to hardship. Having just emerged victorious from the most brutal war in human history they had all to many wounds to heal. Nevermind the still ongoing conflicts like China. With the rest of the world gone Stalin had no more fears of foreign intervention and unleashed yet another purge and terror on his people.

First Eastern Europe, then Northern China were forcefully incorporated directly into the union. Some states were already broken and acquiesced, others, like the Yugoslavs and the Chinese, fought to the end, and the red partisans that just years before they had armed waged a brutal insurgency for over a decade. With no help though resistance was ultimately doomed.



Stalin would rule until his probable (though never proven) assassination in 1951 (year 6 of the new world to the people living in it).

After his death Georgi Zhukov would come home to Moscow (bringing his army with him) and overthrow the temporary government which was an unstable coalition of factions loyal to Molotov and Beria.

Zhukov cleaned house and a few years later reformed the USSR into the GSU or Global Socialist Union. At this point the RSFSR was partitioned into several republics and many borders were rearranged while some smaller former SSR’s were dissolved and merged. While notionally a federal democracy like the USSR before it, the GSU is a military dictatorship of the red army. Settlement and expansion into the virgin lands and seas was prioritized and the Russian supremacist government was quick to deport any ethno-nationalist troublemakers (Or really any brand thereof. Exile is the favourite punishment for a wide range of crimes) to the frontier.

While the last partisans fought from the Chinese mountains into the early 60’s (year 17) they had stoped being a public concern or real threat long before that an it quickly became obvious that military spending was wasted in a world with no foreign enemies to fight against. Cutting funding to the army would be a quick way to get ousted from your military dictatorship though so instead Zhukov found other things for that army to do. Thus the modern government of the GSU developed where nearly all branches of bureaucracy and several industries are directly part of the military. Each republic and each Union territory (Moscow is the only big one, all others are desolate outposts where there hasn’t been enough settlement yet to warrant establishing a republic) has a military governor who is responsible for enforcing the will of the union within his territories. His deputy acts as the main representative of that republic in Moscow.

Zhukov ruled with an iron fist but proved to be a less dogmatic and fairly practical leader. For over 20 years the GSU enjoyed political stability under his leadership. In the year 28 (1973) he dropped dead of a heart attack but had previously been in good health. This is when the country got lucky. With no obvious rivals to take over (the day before making too big a name for yourself could have got you executed) it fell to the council of the union who were all the same rank to select a new premier. Naturally inclined to promote one of their own but no one had wide enough support and they all commanded equally enough matched forces that fighting it out would yield no obvious winner. Eventually a rotating council was established with 7 men holding the official powers of 1 and the premier himself from amongst the 7 having only a 1 year term

At this point the republics seized as much autonomy as Moscow let them (some instead of nearly none).



This rotating council has ruled for nearly 25 years and proved quite stable. Everyone involved has been enriched by it so they felt no need to upset the system. No political liberalization ever occurred and people don’t vote for any office higher then city mayor because beyond that it’s all military appointments, but the climate of persecution is far more relaxed then it once was, and non-violent dissenters don’t have to worry about being executed (exiled though...). Technological progress has been slow in this world, but is happening. Social change not so much, anyone who doesn’t like things as they are is encouraged to fuck off and go be a sustenance farmer in the virgin wilderness for a while. There’s no freedom of movement outside the republic you were born in unless you want to settle the frontier, and the only path to serious wealth is reaching the upper ranks of the military where corruption, favour trading, and bribes provide a far more comfortable standard of living then the the small salary and food coupons the government issues to almost everyone else. The command economy mostly continues but some small business is allowed, especially in the frontier regions. Don’t try to grow your business though or you’ll find yourself quickly getting nationalized.

While this word isn’t rich, and isn’t democratic, it is peaceful, and for most people that’s enough.




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Ethnic map of the communist world

Russian is the official language of the Union and at least co-official in every republic, but each republic is permitted to have another official language, and 30 of the 51 republics do. Everyone under 30 speaks Russian perfectly anyways and it’s the language of all business and government. By deliberate policy most new republics weren’t settled exclusively by any one nationality but there are a few exceptions.









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The anti communist world on arival

Everything except the first map



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The anti communist world in 2000

While the disappearance of the communist block was a shock to the rest of the world it wasn’t entirely an unpleasant on for the western powers or republican Chinese. While the lost peoples of Poland, the balkans, and northern China were mourned most said “good riddance!” to the Russians.

Obviously with no communist threat there would be no NATO alliance so the western allies split up and went their owns paths. Never coming to blows directly but certainly competing much more aggressively with each other then OTL.

Republican China was a swift American ally and received Marshal Plan style development aid and recognition of all it’s previous claims in the Mongolian and Manchuria north while America moved into Siberia.

England, not wanting to loose out in China supported through India the Tibetan empire and East Turkistan, which were isolated enough in the mountains the struggling Chinese couldn’t stop them.

America has of course been the sole superpower of this world but England and France both maintain different kinds of empires and since the 1980’s Sino-American split China has been trying to rival the USA for economic dominance as an equal, with increasing success.



Without the threat of communism America told England and France in no nonsense terms to decolonize from the Americas and Pacific fast or the people there would be learning a thing or two about freedom, their way. They backed down but France retains a big chunk of Africa and England has worldwide allies in most of her former colonies and dominions.

In the former European communist east the Free city of Berlin expanded to the coast before being surrounded by north Germany, while the south got Hungary and Transylvania. Greece and Italy split the balkans. France took Greater Poland and Sweden the Baltic coast, England founded a colony and later dominion around St Petersburg and moving south into most of European Russia that’s something like an Eastern European Canada these days, North of that is Finnish Karelia and the Arkhangelsk territory. On the Black Sea Israel was established in the Crimea after the Arab state unceremoniously evicted most Jewish settlers from the holy land. Turkey colonized most of the surrounding area but deported a few too many Kurdish and Arab troublemakers north of the caucuses mountains and lost the area to a revolt in the early 1990’s. Meanwhile Thrace is in more of a Taiwan situation and still claims both North Turkey and Anatolia proper.

In Central Asia the plains state was settled mostly by Afghans who weren’t really Afghans. The American Siberian states meanwhile have a very high percentage of African Americans, the new homestead act (which is in effect and still distributing free land to this day my friends, Siberia is big...) came into effect around the stirrings of a civil rights movement which was implemented in federal government institutions before state, and the southern state governments were only too eager to encourage their politically troublesome black population to move to Siberia on the federal dime. Facing discrimination at home and offered free land and a fresh start most took the deal



No country since 1945 has run the risk of declaring itself an outright communist state, but a few post colonial countries have tried to emulate the model. More interestingly many democratic-socialist parties TTL lean much further into the red end of the spectrum and get away with it. Since communism wasn’t the great enemy to America for the second half of the century but rather the vanquished enemy of the past it’s much more tolerated in moderation.
 
I disagree about the French being told to "decolonize the Americas and Pacific" would result in them obeying .
They're more likely to throw in their lot with England and tell the Americans to go take it sideways, while making their American lands full overseas départements (like they did OTL after the Liberation anyway), if necessary after local referenda.
The French would more easily accept being told to abandon South and Southeast Asia, imo, than the Americas and the Pacific.
 
Partition 1945

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The communist world on arrival

Consists of the USSR, puppet states and occupied territories in Europe and Asia, and the area controlled by the communists in the Chinese civil war


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The communist world after 55 years

By the time of the Partition the communist world was already used to hardship. Having just emerged victorious from the most brutal war in human history they had all to many wounds to heal. Nevermind the still ongoing conflicts like China. With the rest of the world gone Stalin had no more fears of foreign intervention and unleashed yet another purge and terror on his people.

First Eastern Europe, then Northern China were forcefully incorporated directly into the union. Some states were already broken and acquiesced, others, like the Yugoslavs and the Chinese, fought to the end, and the red partisans that just years before they had armed waged a brutal insurgency for over a decade. With no help though resistance was ultimately doomed.



Stalin would rule until his probable (though never proven) assassination in 1951 (year 6 of the new world to the people living in it).

After his death Georgi Zhukov would come home to Moscow (bringing his army with him) and overthrow the temporary government which was an unstable coalition of factions loyal to Molotov and Beria.

Zhukov cleaned house and a few years later reformed the USSR into the GSU or Global Socialist Union. At this point the RSFSR was partitioned into several republics and many borders were rearranged while some smaller former SSR’s were dissolved and merged. While notionally a federal democracy like the USSR before it, the GSU is a military dictatorship of the red army. Settlement and expansion into the virgin lands and seas was prioritized and the Russian supremacist government was quick to deport any ethno-nationalist troublemakers (Or really any brand thereof. Exile is the favourite punishment for a wide range of crimes) to the frontier.

While the last partisans fought from the Chinese mountains into the early 60’s (year 17) they had stoped being a public concern or real threat long before that an it quickly became obvious that military spending was wasted in a world with no foreign enemies to fight against. Cutting funding to the army would be a quick way to get ousted from your military dictatorship though so instead Zhukov found other things for that army to do. Thus the modern government of the GSU developed where nearly all branches of bureaucracy and several industries are directly part of the military. Each republic and each Union territory (Moscow is the only big one, all others are desolate outposts where there hasn’t been enough settlement yet to warrant establishing a republic) has a military governor who is responsible for enforcing the will of the union within his territories. His deputy acts as the main representative of that republic in Moscow.

Zhukov ruled with an iron fist but proved to be a less dogmatic and fairly practical leader. For over 20 years the GSU enjoyed political stability under his leadership. In the year 28 (1973) he dropped dead of a heart attack but had previously been in good health. This is when the country got lucky. With no obvious rivals to take over (the day before making too big a name for yourself could have got you executed) it fell to the council of the union who were all the same rank to select a new premier. Naturally inclined to promote one of their own but no one had wide enough support and they all commanded equally enough matched forces that fighting it out would yield no obvious winner. Eventually a rotating council was established with 7 men holding the official powers of 1 and the premier himself from amongst the 7 having only a 1 year term

At this point the republics seized as much autonomy as Moscow let them (some instead of nearly none).



This rotating council has ruled for nearly 25 years and proved quite stable. Everyone involved has been enriched by it so they felt no need to upset the system. No political liberalization ever occurred and people don’t vote for any office higher then city mayor because beyond that it’s all military appointments, but the climate of persecution is far more relaxed then it once was, and non-violent dissenters don’t have to worry about being executed (exiled though...). Technological progress has been slow in this world, but is happening. Social change not so much, anyone who doesn’t like things as they are is encouraged to fuck off and go be a sustenance farmer in the virgin wilderness for a while. There’s no freedom of movement outside the republic you were born in unless you want to settle the frontier, and the only path to serious wealth is reaching the upper ranks of the military where corruption, favour trading, and bribes provide a far more comfortable standard of living then the the small salary and food coupons the government issues to almost everyone else. The command economy mostly continues but some small business is allowed, especially in the frontier regions. Don’t try to grow your business though or you’ll find yourself quickly getting nationalized.

While this word isn’t rich, and isn’t democratic, it is peaceful, and for most people that’s enough.




View attachment 823200
Ethnic map of the communist world

Russian is the official language of the Union and at least co-official in every republic, but each republic is permitted to have another official language, and 30 of the 51 republics do. Everyone under 30 speaks Russian perfectly anyways and it’s the language of all business and government. By deliberate policy most new republics weren’t settled exclusively by any one nationality but there are a few exceptions.









View attachment 823199
The anti communist world on arival

Everything except the first map



View attachment 823201
The anti communist world in 2000

While the disappearance of the communist block was a shock to the rest of the world it wasn’t entirely an unpleasant on for the western powers or republican Chinese. While the lost peoples of Poland, the balkans, and northern China were mourned most said “good riddance!” to the Russians.

Obviously with no communist threat there would be no NATO alliance so the western allies split up and went their owns paths. Never coming to blows directly but certainly competing much more aggressively with each other then OTL.

Republican China was a swift American ally and received Marshal Plan style development aid and recognition of all it’s previous claims in the Mongolian and Manchuria north while America moved into Siberia.

England, not wanting to loose out in China supported through India the Tibetan empire and East Turkistan, which were isolated enough in the mountains the struggling Chinese couldn’t stop them.

America has of course been the sole superpower of this world but England and France both maintain different kinds of empires and since the 1980’s Sino-American split China has been trying to rival the USA for economic dominance as an equal, with increasing success.



Without the threat of communism America told England and France in no nonsense terms to decolonize from the Americas and Pacific fast or the people there would be learning a thing or two about freedom, their way. They backed down but France retains a big chunk of Africa and England has worldwide allies in most of her former colonies and dominions.

In the former European communist east the Free city of Berlin expanded to the coast before being surrounded by north Germany, while the south got Hungary and Transylvania. Greece and Italy split the balkans. France took Greater Poland and Sweden the Baltic coast, England founded a colony and later dominion around St Petersburg and moving south into most of European Russia that’s something like an Eastern European Canada these days, North of that is Finnish Karelia and the Arkhangelsk territory. On the Black Sea Israel was established in the Crimea after the Arab state unceremoniously evicted most Jewish settlers from the holy land. Turkey colonized most of the surrounding area but deported a few too many Kurdish and Arab troublemakers north of the caucuses mountains and lost the area to a revolt in the early 1990’s. Meanwhile Thrace is in more of a Taiwan situation and still claims both North Turkey and Anatolia proper.

In Central Asia the plains state was settled mostly by Afghans who weren’t really Afghans. The American Siberian states meanwhile have a very high percentage of African Americans, the new homestead act (which is in effect and still distributing free land to this day my friends, Siberia is big...) came into effect around the stirrings of a civil rights movement which was implemented in federal government institutions before state, and the southern state governments were only too eager to encourage their politically troublesome black population to move to Siberia on the federal dime. Facing discrimination at home and offered free land and a fresh start most took the deal



No country since 1945 has run the risk of declaring itself an outright communist state, but a few post colonial countries have tried to emulate the model. More interestingly many democratic-socialist parties TTL lean much further into the red end of the spectrum and get away with it. Since communism wasn’t the great enemy to America for the second half of the century but rather the vanquished enemy of the past it’s much more tolerated in moderation.
Ah yes, leave it to Americans and Canadian-analogues to draw such aesthetically dismal borders within what was Russia :openedeyewink:
"Well, it's ours now, so where do we draw the internal boundaries?"
"I dunno... Hey, do you have your compass on you?" :D
 
I disagree about the French being told to "decolonize the Americas and Pacific" would result in them obeying .
They're more likely to throw in their lot with England and tell the Americans to go take it sideways, while making their American lands full overseas départements (like they did OTL after the Liberation anyway), if necessary after local referenda.
The French would more easily accept being told to abandon South and Southeast Asia, imo, than the Americas and the Pacific.
Maybe. Monroe doctrine on steroids was my basic idea. Remember the POD is a few years before the Marshall Plan aid is given to Europe. So the continent is generally broke, indebted, and in ruins. Getting out of that hole was conditional on American goodwill

To clarify, I didn’t mean a public ultimatum designed to provoke an incident. Rather heavy diplomatic pressure over about a decade and threats of the stick behind closed doors
 
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Ah yes, leave it to Americans and Canadian-analogues to draw such aesthetically dismal borders within what was Russia :openedeyewink:
"Well, it's ours now, so where do we draw the internal boundaries?"
"I dunno... Hey, do you have your compass on you?" :D
Ugly and ignorant of the natural boundaries, yes. In the American style? 100%.

If anything I think I actually used two many old boundaries from Russia, but hey! I did fit one perfect rectangle in there!
 
Ugly and ignorant of the natural boundaries, yes. In the American style? 100%.

If anything I think I actually used two many old boundaries from Russia, but hey! I did fit one perfect rectangle in there!
The former land surveyor in me groans in despair any time he sees a straight-line boundary passing through a mountainous area...
"You want us to mark out what? On the ground? " :confounded:
*bush-axe in hand, stares up at mountain... withdraws flask from shirt pocket, takes a long, stiff drink...*
(yes, this could explain certain border irregularities within the US, which were purportedly caused by drunken surveyors :p)
 
The former land surveyor in me groans in despair any time he sees a straight-line boundary passing through a mountainous area...
"You want us to mark out what? On the ground? " :confounded:
*bush-axe in hand, stares up at mountain... withdraws flask from shirt pocket, takes a long, stiff drink...*
(yes, this could explain certain border irregularities within the US, which were purportedly caused by drunken surveyors :p)
I believe (though don't quote me on this because it has been a long time since I heard it) that at one point in time, government employed US surveyors received part of their paycheck as whiskey...
(Probably as kind of a "room and board" type arrangement but still...)
 
Partition 1945

View attachment 823197
The communist world on arrival

Consists of the USSR, puppet states and occupied territories in Europe and Asia, and the area controlled by the communists in the Chinese civil war


View attachment 823198
The communist world after 55 years

By the time of the Partition the communist world was already used to hardship. Having just emerged victorious from the most brutal war in human history they had all to many wounds to heal. Nevermind the still ongoing conflicts like China. With the rest of the world gone Stalin had no more fears of foreign intervention and unleashed yet another purge and terror on his people.

First Eastern Europe, then Northern China were forcefully incorporated directly into the union. Some states were already broken and acquiesced, others, like the Yugoslavs and the Chinese, fought to the end, and the red partisans that just years before they had armed waged a brutal insurgency for over a decade. With no help though resistance was ultimately doomed.



Stalin would rule until his probable (though never proven) assassination in 1951 (year 6 of the new world to the people living in it).

After his death Georgi Zhukov would come home to Moscow (bringing his army with him) and overthrow the temporary government which was an unstable coalition of factions loyal to Molotov and Beria.

Zhukov cleaned house and a few years later reformed the USSR into the GSU or Global Socialist Union. At this point the RSFSR was partitioned into several republics and many borders were rearranged while some smaller former SSR’s were dissolved and merged. While notionally a federal democracy like the USSR before it, the GSU is a military dictatorship of the red army. Settlement and expansion into the virgin lands and seas was prioritized and the Russian supremacist government was quick to deport any ethno-nationalist troublemakers (Or really any brand thereof. Exile is the favourite punishment for a wide range of crimes) to the frontier.

While the last partisans fought from the Chinese mountains into the early 60’s (year 17) they had stoped being a public concern or real threat long before that an it quickly became obvious that military spending was wasted in a world with no foreign enemies to fight against. Cutting funding to the army would be a quick way to get ousted from your military dictatorship though so instead Zhukov found other things for that army to do. Thus the modern government of the GSU developed where nearly all branches of bureaucracy and several industries are directly part of the military. Each republic and each Union territory (Moscow is the only big one, all others are desolate outposts where there hasn’t been enough settlement yet to warrant establishing a republic) has a military governor who is responsible for enforcing the will of the union within his territories. His deputy acts as the main representative of that republic in Moscow.

Zhukov ruled with an iron fist but proved to be a less dogmatic and fairly practical leader. For over 20 years the GSU enjoyed political stability under his leadership. In the year 28 (1973) he dropped dead of a heart attack but had previously been in good health. This is when the country got lucky. With no obvious rivals to take over (the day before making too big a name for yourself could have got you executed) it fell to the council of the union who were all the same rank to select a new premier. Naturally inclined to promote one of their own but no one had wide enough support and they all commanded equally enough matched forces that fighting it out would yield no obvious winner. Eventually a rotating council was established with 7 men holding the official powers of 1 and the premier himself from amongst the 7 having only a 1 year term

At this point the republics seized as much autonomy as Moscow let them (some instead of nearly none).



This rotating council has ruled for nearly 25 years and proved quite stable. Everyone involved has been enriched by it so they felt no need to upset the system. No political liberalization ever occurred and people don’t vote for any office higher then city mayor because beyond that it’s all military appointments, but the climate of persecution is far more relaxed then it once was, and non-violent dissenters don’t have to worry about being executed (exiled though...). Technological progress has been slow in this world, but is happening. Social change not so much, anyone who doesn’t like things as they are is encouraged to fuck off and go be a sustenance farmer in the virgin wilderness for a while. There’s no freedom of movement outside the republic you were born in unless you want to settle the frontier, and the only path to serious wealth is reaching the upper ranks of the military where corruption, favour trading, and bribes provide a far more comfortable standard of living then the the small salary and food coupons the government issues to almost everyone else. The command economy mostly continues but some small business is allowed, especially in the frontier regions. Don’t try to grow your business though or you’ll find yourself quickly getting nationalized.

While this word isn’t rich, and isn’t democratic, it is peaceful, and for most people that’s enough.




View attachment 823200
Ethnic map of the communist world

Russian is the official language of the Union and at least co-official in every republic, but each republic is permitted to have another official language, and 30 of the 51 republics do. Everyone under 30 speaks Russian perfectly anyways and it’s the language of all business and government. By deliberate policy most new republics weren’t settled exclusively by any one nationality but there are a few exceptions.









View attachment 823199
The anti communist world on arival

Everything except the first map



View attachment 823201
The anti communist world in 2000

While the disappearance of the communist block was a shock to the rest of the world it wasn’t entirely an unpleasant on for the western powers or republican Chinese. While the lost peoples of Poland, the balkans, and northern China were mourned most said “good riddance!” to the Russians.

Obviously with no communist threat there would be no NATO alliance so the western allies split up and went their owns paths. Never coming to blows directly but certainly competing much more aggressively with each other then OTL.

Republican China was a swift American ally and received Marshal Plan style development aid and recognition of all it’s previous claims in the Mongolian and Manchuria north while America moved into Siberia.

England, not wanting to loose out in China supported through India the Tibetan empire and East Turkistan, which were isolated enough in the mountains the struggling Chinese couldn’t stop them.

America has of course been the sole superpower of this world but England and France both maintain different kinds of empires and since the 1980’s Sino-American split China has been trying to rival the USA for economic dominance as an equal, with increasing success.



Without the threat of communism America told England and France in no nonsense terms to decolonize from the Americas and Pacific fast or the people there would be learning a thing or two about freedom, their way. They backed down but France retains a big chunk of Africa and England has worldwide allies in most of her former colonies and dominions.

In the former European communist east the Free city of Berlin expanded to the coast before being surrounded by north Germany, while the south got Hungary and Transylvania. Greece and Italy split the balkans. France took Greater Poland and Sweden the Baltic coast, England founded a colony and later dominion around St Petersburg and moving south into most of European Russia that’s something like an Eastern European Canada these days, North of that is Finnish Karelia and the Arkhangelsk territory. On the Black Sea Israel was established in the Crimea after the Arab state unceremoniously evicted most Jewish settlers from the holy land. Turkey colonized most of the surrounding area but deported a few too many Kurdish and Arab troublemakers north of the caucuses mountains and lost the area to a revolt in the early 1990’s. Meanwhile Thrace is in more of a Taiwan situation and still claims both North Turkey and Anatolia proper.

In Central Asia the plains state was settled mostly by Afghans who weren’t really Afghans. The American Siberian states meanwhile have a very high percentage of African Americans, the new homestead act (which is in effect and still distributing free land to this day my friends, Siberia is big...) came into effect around the stirrings of a civil rights movement which was implemented in federal government institutions before state, and the southern state governments were only too eager to encourage their politically troublesome black population to move to Siberia on the federal dime. Facing discrimination at home and offered free land and a fresh start most took the deal



No country since 1945 has run the risk of declaring itself an outright communist state, but a few post colonial countries have tried to emulate the model. More interestingly many democratic-socialist parties TTL lean much further into the red end of the spectrum and get away with it. Since communism wasn’t the great enemy to America for the second half of the century but rather the vanquished enemy of the past it’s much more tolerated in moderation.
I can’t help but feel the Danes would be upset that they lose Greenland to an America already rolling in Arctic tundra, while not even getting land elsewhere, while Sweden gets loads. Was Mongolia given Tuva but not the Buryait Mongol areas so that the Trans Siberian Railroad didn’t cross Mongol land? Did the Jews never get a homeland or Autonomous Oblast in the communist world? Tibet seems almost ridiculously, as Bhutan, China, Bengal, and whatever states are around Kashmir would have given hem everything they could demand. The British may have sent them loads of support, but I don’t see them being able to conquer so much. Though it seems China got some more lucrative areas in Indochina. Come to think of it, this might be one of America’s least morally unethical colonizations, as there are no natives in Siberia to drive out. Though I would not be surprised if they shipped Eskimos over there so the Alaskan government could drill in their land. Did the Canadians try to claim any land for themselves, or did they have to make do with dumping Inuits in their northern islands like IOTL? Hmmmm, I wonder how relations are with Canada and Americans and Europeans here. Maybe De Gaulle tries to get French Canadians over to settle Poland. Which might annoy Polish-Americans, who might want the land for themselves.
 
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I believe (though don't quote me on this because it has been a long time since I heard it) that at one point in time, government employed US surveyors received part of their paycheck as whiskey...
(Probably as kind of a "room and board" type arrangement but still...)
Gotta water the mules, if you want 'em to work :p
 
Maybe. Monroe doctrine on steroids was my basic idea. Remember the POD is a few years before the Marshall Plan aid is given to Europe. So the continent is generally broke, indebted, and in ruins. Getting out of that hole was conditional on American goodwill

To clarify, I didn’t mean a public ultimatum designed to provoke an incident. Rather heavy diplomatic pressure over about a decade and threats of the stick behind closed doors
All you get is France acquiring nukes faster.
 
Figure I'd share my WIP here since I'm making decent progress on it. Just a boring old Worlda but it's fun. It started out as "What if BIG CANADA". POD sometime between 1776 and 1783, US never comes to be. Britain picks up Louisiana at some point, probably during the collapse of the Spanish colonial administration, and it ends up being joined to British North America. Latin America on the other hand basically brought Bolivar's dreams to fruition and takes TTL's place as the US-equivalent, albeit more politically aligned with the rest of the world (a left wing that is actually left wing, a right wing that is more right-of-centre, politics more strongly focused on economics than social issues).

Canada on the other hand is more conservative than in OTL in terms of social progress mostly because of poorer race relations that spiralled into other areas (this is to do with the Native Americans rather than Africans). Canada is also running things in the British Caribbean, though not Guyana.

There was still a French Revolution though no Napoleonic France. The map is set in the modern day; France is a Republic and controls the lower Netherlands, Germany is a big old federation, East Prussia is still ruled by the House of Hohenzollern (though powerlessly), and the three British nations (Ireland, Scotland, England-Wales) split up amicably and all still share the same Head of State as part of an alt-Commonwealth of Nations.

My sort of 'goal' here is a bit less overt colonisation, particularly in Africa. Southern Africa I don't think would be totally spared, but West Africa is going to have a few more native states that were never conquered or fully subjugated. Egypt is BIG though (got rich by controlling European traffic through the Red Sea), and Zanzibar is ruled by an Arab minority (a hangover from the Omani colonial empire, though Oman itself is now part of the Arab Republic). South Africa was never British ITTL, and did some unkind things, so it's basically one of two majority white states on the continent (the other being the Portuguese Republic of Maputo in southern Mozambique, which, despite the name, actually is independent (and uncoloured just now).

The British still conquered the Marathas, but didn't get much further than that and their control wasn't total. More like it was a puppet state until independence, when it unified with Bengal and the Gangetic Plain to form Bharata. Hyderabad is its own country and southern India is, too. Ceylon didn't remain Dutch (based on my reading, it seems unlikely that the Dutch could keep it, they seemed to want to get rid of it in OTL) so we still have Sri Lanka.

I was trying to keep the number of European states the same or close to OTL (44). Pretty sure I got close.

Anyway, I'll asspull more lore when the map is finished.

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I can’t help but feel the Danes would be upset that they lose Greenland to an America already rolling in Arctic tundra, while not even getting land elsewhere, while Sweden gets loads.
That’s just to reinforce how much of a hyper power the US is. They tried to buy it OTL. TTL there’s no marshal plan and Denmark needs the money a lot more. At a slightly higher price it’s a voluntary transaction.
Was Mongolia given Tuva but not the Buryait Mongol areas so that the Trans Siberian Railroad didn’t cross Mongol land?
My understanding is Tuva has more history as part of the same region in Qing China, for a century after Buryatia was part of Russia and had developed a more distinct identity from Mongolia proper, I think.
Did the Jews never get a homeland or Autonomous Oblast in the communist world?
There’s the notional Jewish AO in Siberia. Like in real life it only has a small minority actual Jewish population. They are a very dispersed group across the nation. Somewhat higher concentrations in a few major cities and in the Levant but not enough to show.
Tibet seems almost ridiculously, as Bhutan, China, Bengal, and whatever states are around Kashmir would have given hem everything they could demand. The British may have sent them loads of support, but I don’t see them being able to conquer so much. Though it seems China got some more lucrative areas in Indochina.
It is very nearly the maximum limits of territorial claims and ethnic Tibetan population. It should be noted that China was very weakened at the time.
Northern Indochina was occupied OTL. Here it became permanent.

Come to think of it, this might be one of America’s least morally unethical colonizations, as there are no natives in Siberia to drive out.
Indeed, one of the interesting things about the scenario of Virgin Earth ISOT’s is it presents the opportunity for morally clean settler colonialism. There are absolutely no people in those lands at the time of the event. The last time that happened IRL was when the Maori arrived in Aotearoa, or as we know it from the second wave of colonists, New Zealand.

Did the Canadians try to claim any land for themselves, or did they have to make do with dumping Inuits in their northern islands like IOTL?
I meant for Wrangle Island to be Canadian but I think I forgot to colour it in on the map. We claimed it in OTL at some point. It’s not really any more useful then the rest of the Canadian Arctic archipelago though.
 
Another fairly quick map based on the concept of modern Finland being sent back in time to the Winter War:
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This is the world in 1950, a few notes:


Like many ISOT’s, they are primed for a wank.

Modern pre-COVID Finland to first day of winter war

All downtime military forces remain in/are relocated to rump downtime Finland.

Looooooong war with the USSR.

Finland invaded Karelia and Kola, bombs the hell out of everywhere else with uptime planes.

Special forces and later regular army help rebels in the Baltic’s, liberating them from Soviet occupation.

USSR fractures in civil war. Ongoing program of assassinations and sabotages to prevent any one side from winning.

Eventual ceasefire with St Petersburg based new Russian Empire.

Karelia and arctic islands annexed to Finland, (eastern Karelia autonomous)
State of Kola (Murmansk) established, reunification with Russia prohibited but with Finnish support they are building a democracy.


Nordic Union formed of Finland, Kola/Murmansk, Estonia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland

War quickly declared on Nazi Germany as a “moral necessity” very few troops contributed to fighting by Finland due to preoccupation with USSR,

Denmark and Norway reinforced to prevent German invasion. Finnish air support and intelligence shared with Britain and France who fight Germany

Poland moved west but not as much as OTL

Caucuses and Tanu Tuva also independent



USSR civil war factions:


“New” Russian Empire - St Petersburg (armistice with foreign parties)

“Reformed” USSR - Moscow (run by a Stalin wannabe, at war with absolutely everybody)

Southern warlord - Rostov on Don (used to be warlords plural but the USSR has been reestablishing central control

Ukrainian Seperatists - Kiev (have a surprisingly good relationship with the Poles)

Russian Republic - Vladivostok (kowtow to the Japanese, have no illusions about expanding west of Baikal)


“Old guard” USSR - Tashkent (Grumpy Turkic dictators hanging together instead of separately)



Japan had a mini coup by those who favoured a northern strategy and preferred to avoid war with the US. They basically withdrew from China propper, who reluctantly signed an uneasy peace in return for said withdrawal.

China is arming for round II

With British backing Greece embarrassed Italy and booted them from Albania and the Dardanelles.
Italy has responded by repressing its remaining colonies further. A similar operation in Ethiopia is frequently passed around boardroom tables in London.
the population of finland is only less than 5 million people.
 
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