While I like premise and map, not sure about Austria giving up all of Netherland for Silesia (which they have to conquer mostly by themselves...)
What is Italian confederation, who rules there? And against whom was the NI campaign lead? Austria?
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What is Italian confederation, who rules there? And against whom was the NI campaign lead? Austria?
The French May have gotten a but too much land in Italy. The Austrians have already given up Belgium and seem to have lost Briesgau, but now they are losing Milan as well. Is Napoleon supposed to be the one who has conquered Piedmont and Genoa or is he the one setting up the Confederation in Italy? Not going to lie, you could probably do a separate map just on the Confederation showing the various holdings from the Bourbons and Habsburgs (assuming they each keep the various duchies and marquisates in the area) and make a good map from that alone. Is Saxony in personal Union with Poland? And did the Ottomans seize Dalmatia from Venice in a war while everyone else was distracted? The Venetians will certainly find themselves n a tight spot if they someone lost the favor of the Ottomans and can no longer keep themselves partially relevant by trading with them. What is the story with Sardinia here? Republic or did they get a monarch from elsewhere?
come to think of it, to have Austria-Hungary implies an Empire of Austria, which only came about when the last Holy Roman Emperor wanted to keep a title if Napoleon deposed him and became HRE himself. I am wondering if there even is an HRE now, that the church lands are gone, as with vast swathes of land going to France. Though Baden and Wurttenburg didn’t get booty, so who knows? Maybe the only secularizationor meditization was what France and Austria took, from Liege and Salzburg.
It was a real plan: if Austria was to regain Silesia, France would get the Southern Netherlands in compensation
Yes there was such plan, but I am not sure if was all of Netherland in question or there wasn´t some additional compensation for Austria (in Italy, maybe? or am I just mixing two different plans? there was plan for exchange of Parma for Luxembourg also...)
Semi-mythological interpretation of Early Medieval Tavastia, a linguistic-cultural region stretching " from salt sea to salt sea". The period lends itself to dramatic interpretations exceptionally well, with pagan peoples of the Finnish peninsula finding themselves between Catholic Swedes and Orthodox Novgorodites (and their proxies, Finland and Karelia). Low German merchants project soft power deep inland, and in the wild frontiers of the North the Sami people still reign over the dense forests and tundras.
Feel free to use this as inspiration/map for your vaguely medieval, gritty Skyrim-esque RPGs! Toponymy has been translated for ease of use.
Triangles represent forts and hillforts, circles market towns and squares fortified towns. EU-style flow of trade is represented by the bluish arrowlets.
Feel free to use this as inspiration/map for your vaguely medieval, gritty Skyrim-esque RPGs! Toponymy has been translated for ease of use.
Triangles represent forts and hillforts, circles market towns and squares fortified towns. EU-style flow of trade is represented by the bluish arrowlets.
very nice map ! i cant wait to see it progress
! just some questions i have: howd canada end up with Patagonia ? whats up with the canada-mexico border ? why'd Texas rovelt if its hispanic and whats their relationship with their neighbors ? do other countries recognize japanese alaska and why does japan have it in the first place ?
For a reason I can’t quite articulate, I think this is amazing. Something about relatively niche historical regions getting a fleshed out map excites me!Semi-mythological interpretation of Early Medieval Tavastia, a linguistic-cultural region stretching " from salt sea to salt sea". The period lends itself to dramatic interpretations exceptionally well, with pagan peoples of the Finnish peninsula finding themselves between Catholic Swedes and Orthodox Novgorodites (and their proxies, Finland and Karelia). Low German merchants project soft power deep inland, and in the wild frontiers of the North the Sami people still reign over the dense forests and tundras.
Feel free to use this as inspiration/map for your vaguely medieval, gritty Skyrim-esque RPGs! Toponymy has been translated for ease of use.
Triangles represent forts and hillforts, circles market towns and squares fortified towns. EU-style flow of trade is represented by the bluish arrowlets.
It's not Canada - it's the Commonwealth of Nations, the current seat of the British royal family, otherwise known as the Kingdom of America. Basically the American Revolution was lost, with some concessions made to the colonies. After the alternate French Revolution, popular revolt spread to Britain, and the royals scarfered. Britain became a republic and over the decades evolved into the British Imperial Federation (though the Head of State is a President, not the king, who still lives in America.very nice map ! i cant wait to see it progress
Patagonia was picked up by the British during the Spanish colonial rebellions. It had a low population for a while but experienced an uptick in immigration from Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, as well as the American mainland.
Texas specifically didn't revolt, but rather was the last vestige of an anti-government rebellion. The Mexican Empire once stretched from California to Panama, but corruption, inequality, and all the usual good stuff led to rebellion and peripheral regions breaking away. Texas was a hotbed, being so close to the (comparatively) liberal Americans, and gained its independence.
Japan won Alaska in the early 20th Century, so yes it is recognised. They took it from Russia. Japanese people make up more than half of the population now (there was a sort of mass exodus of Russians from Alaska when the Japanese authorities took over, many heading into America, others returning to Russia).
ohh interesting ! thanks for the reply this is all really cool ! i cant wait to see what the situation is like between Japan and Russia, do you plan on making a world map for this tl ?
Latest update for my "work-in-progress" map, now with Newfoundland included.
1)The Republic of Florida (San Agustín)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Language: Catholicism)
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Virginia on the North, Louisiana on the West, the Cubas (not shown) to the South
Relations With Their Neighbors: Shares in the general dislike of the Virginians. Gets along OK with the Louisianans. Formerly had territorial disputes with the Cubas (over what we would call "The Bahamas"). They now get along well as members of the "Thanks, Big Brother Mexico, But We'd Rather Not Become Your Newest States" Club.
Note: Not my most "developed" idea, perhaps, but I've always wondered what kind of distinct national identity Florida might have developed if it had remained Spanish. I resisted the urge to have them have an "Hombre de Florida" type reputation.
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2)The Empire of Louisiana (Nouvelle-Orléans)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: "Constitutional" monarchy. In practice, corruption is widespread, but it is a point of pride to never take too much and to never take anyone's last cent.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Virginia and Florida on the East and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: A member of the "We Hate Virginia" Club with Florida and the New Netherlands. Formerly had territorial disputes with Mexico, has accepted that they're not getting the land back. Their control of the lower Mississippi earns them a tidy sum in "shippng fees".
Note: Founded by a charismatic colonial governor who took advantage of turmoil in Old France to declare the territory's independence and to name himself Emperor. Somehow shambles along despite outdsiders' regular predictions over the decades of their imminent demise. Has a long-distance rivalry with New France over which of them is the true heir to the spirit of France.
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3)The Commonwealth of New England (Boston)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism (Religious tolerance exists in theory. but in practice, the non-Protestant population is vanishingly small. Catholic and other immigrants from Europe tended to go to the New Netherlands, Florida, the Cubas, Louisiana or Mexico.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, somewhat more conservative and less tolerant than the New Netherlands
Neighbors: New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Longstanding territorial disputes with New France, whom they think of as a hereditary enemy. Has set aside similar disputes with the New Netherlands, with the realization that they need Nieuw Amsterdam's good offices as a counterweight to Québec.
Note: A small nation that feels "hemmed in" by its neighbors. Has an international reputation as a "nation of small-town lawyers".
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4)The Dominion of Newfoundlnd (Saint John's)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: New France on the South.
Relations With Their Neighbors: No great love lost between the Newfies and the New French, but they get along well enough.
Note: Baffin Island (not shown) is also part of Newfoundland. Independent, but still closely-linked to the mother country, Greater Britain. Cynics in other countries see it as a British "fishing colony".
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5)The United Provinces of the New Netherlands (Nieuw Amsterdam)
Chief Language: Amerikaans (I'm imagining something closer to the ancestral Dutch than OTL Afrikaans is, but further than American English is from British English is, if that makes any sense, which it may not)
Chief Religions: Protestantism, Catholicism (Various flavors of Christianity are the vast majority, but religious tolerance is practiced.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, what we would call "left of center", with racial tolerance and tolerance for persons of different sexualities, and so on. It's not a paradise, but overall, it's a pretty good place to live.
Neighbors: New France on the North, New England on the East, Louisiana and Virginia on the South, and Lakhota and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
Note: Heavily into what we would call "green" or "alternative" energy sources. Think of themselves as the "one sane nation" in the Americas.
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6)The Commonwealth of Virginia (Williamsburg)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religions: Church of Virginia (Protestant) is the church of upper and middle class whites, various other Protestant sects/cults are followed by poor whites and non-whites.
Government: An "aristocratic republic". dominated by a white upper class from wealthy "old families" (the franchise is based on property ownership) that works assiduously to keep the poor whites, African-descended people and what few Native Americans survive divided. Slavery was technically abolished in the early Twentieth Century, but Blacks are still heavily oppressed.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Florida on the South and Louisiana on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: The Virginian ruling class looks down on the New Netherlanders as vulgar, bourgeois shopkeepers and farmers, the Floridians as savage mongrels and the Louisianans as degenerate mongrels. Occasionally they like to make noises about putting them all in their places, but are well aware that they wouldn't stand a chance against the three of them, and that's without even taking into consideration what the Mexicans might do.
Note: Somewhat of a pariah among nations that like to think of themselves as "civilized". Their chief export is tobacco whic sells well enough in countries that don't pvermiuch worry aboutnwhether foreign workers are exploited. When a Mexican scientist worked out that smokng is bad for you, the Virginians took it as part of a conspiracy to wreck their economy.
1)The Republic of Florida (San Agustín)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Language: Catholicism)
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Virginia on the North, Louisiana on the West, the Cubas (not shown) to the South
Relations With Their Neighbors: Shares in the general dislike of the Virginians. Gets along OK with the Louisianans. Formerly had territorial disputes with the Cubas (over what we would call "The Bahamas"). They now get along well as members of the "Thanks, Big Brother Mexico, But We'd Rather Not Become Your Newest States" Club.
Note: Not my most "developed" idea, perhaps, but I've always wondered what kind of distinct national identity Florida might have developed if it had remained Spanish. I resisted the urge to have them have an "Hombre de Florida" type reputation.
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2)The Empire of Louisiana (Nouvelle-Orléans)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: "Constitutional" monarchy. In practice, corruption is widespread, but it is a point of pride to never take too much and to never take anyone's last cent.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Virginia and Florida on the East and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: A member of the "We Hate Virginia" Club with Florida and the New Netherlands. Formerly had territorial disputes with Mexico, has accepted that they're not getting the land back. Their control of the lower Mississippi earns them a tidy sum in "shippng fees".
Note: Founded by a charismatic colonial governor who took advantage of turmoil in Old France to declare the territory's independence and to name himself Emperor. Somehow shambles along despite outdsiders' regular predictions over the decades of their imminent demise. Has a long-distance rivalry with New France over which of them is the true heir to the spirit of France.
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3)The Commonwealth of New England (Boston)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism (Religious tolerance exists in theory. but in practice, the non-Protestant population is vanishingly small. Catholic and other immigrants from Europe tended to go to the New Netherlands, Florida, the Cubas, Louisiana or Mexico.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, somewhat more conservative and less tolerant than the New Netherlands
Neighbors: New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Longstanding territorial disputes with New France, whom they think of as a hereditary enemy. Has set aside similar disputes with the New Netherlands, with the realization that they need Nieuw Amsterdam's good offices as a counterweight to Québec.
Note: A small nation that feels "hemmed in" by its neighbors. Has an international reputation as a "nation of small-town lawyers".
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4)The Dominion of Newfoundlnd (Saint John's)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: New France on the South.
Relations With Their Neighbors: No great love lost between the Newfies and the New French, but they get along well enough.
Note: Baffin Island (not shown) is also part of Newfoundland. Independent, but still closely-linked to the mother country, Greater Britain. Cynics in other countries see it as a British "fishing colony".
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5)The United Provinces of the New Netherlands (Nieuw Amsterdam)
Chief Language: Amerikaans (I'm imagining something closer to the ancestral Dutch than OTL Afrikaans is, but further than American English is from British English is, if that makes any sense, which it may not)
Chief Religions: Protestantism, Catholicism (Various flavors of Christianity are the vast majority, but religious tolerance is practiced.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, what we would call "left of center", with racial tolerance and tolerance for persons of different sexualities, and so on. It's not a paradise, but overall, it's a pretty good place to live.
Neighbors: New France on the North, New England on the East, Louisiana and Virginia on the South, and Lakhota and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
- Lakhota: the Lakhota are a proud people, and make much of the fact that they are the only Native North American people to retain their independence, but their leaders are well aware that they retained their independence because the Mexicans, New Netherlanders and New French found it expedient to leave them as a buffer state rather than fight a war over the territory. Relations with the New Netherlands are generally good, and Nieuw Amsterdam allows the Lakhota to maintain certain sacred sites on their territory.
- Lousiana: The New Netherlanders get along well enough with the genial kleptocrats in Nouvelle-Orléans, the moreso since neither of them likes the Virginians much.
- Mexico: Mexico is one of TTL's super-powers, stretching from the border with Imperial Russia (about midway through IOTL's British Columbia) down into South America. The Mexicans consider the Americas their sphere of influence and like their neighbors to behave themselves, so everyone tends to keep quiet so the Mexicans won't decide to "teach" them how to behave.
- New England: There were territorial disputes in the early Nineteenth Century, Later, the Yankees were happy to have the good offices of Nieuw Amsterdam to keep the New French off their backs.
- New France: Relations are cool but correct. There are no current disputes, but the two nations are not overly fond of one another, largely because New France sees the New Netherlanders as being too cozy with their old rivals in Louisiana.
- Virginia: There were disputes in the Ninetenth Century over Nieuw Amsterdam's refusal to return escaped slaves, coming close to war on more than one occasion. However, the fact that they are surrounded by nations that don'tb like them much (The New Netherlands, Lousiana and Florida on the south) have kept them from getting too frisky.
Note: Heavily into what we would call "green" or "alternative" energy sources. Think of themselves as the "one sane nation" in the Americas.
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6)The Commonwealth of Virginia (Williamsburg)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religions: Church of Virginia (Protestant) is the church of upper and middle class whites, various other Protestant sects/cults are followed by poor whites and non-whites.
Government: An "aristocratic republic". dominated by a white upper class from wealthy "old families" (the franchise is based on property ownership) that works assiduously to keep the poor whites, African-descended people and what few Native Americans survive divided. Slavery was technically abolished in the early Twentieth Century, but Blacks are still heavily oppressed.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Florida on the South and Louisiana on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: The Virginian ruling class looks down on the New Netherlanders as vulgar, bourgeois shopkeepers and farmers, the Floridians as savage mongrels and the Louisianans as degenerate mongrels. Occasionally they like to make noises about putting them all in their places, but are well aware that they wouldn't stand a chance against the three of them, and that's without even taking into consideration what the Mexicans might do.
Note: Somewhat of a pariah among nations that like to think of themselves as "civilized". Their chief export is tobacco whic sells well enough in countries that don't pvermiuch worry aboutnwhether foreign workers are exploited. When a Mexican scientist worked out that smokng is bad for you, the Virginians took it as part of a conspiracy to wreck their economy.
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You left the OTL border inside your N+L (not a criticism, just pointing it out).
As an aside, I'm enjoying the developments.
Just a fairly random map done as a part of a larger project.
This one was posted in the alternate history travel guides website by Thomas R. Keith. https://web.archive.org/web/20051228045350/http://www.ahtg.net/alterframe.html : just go to "Marseilles, Doorway to Europe" in the "Europes" section on the index.
Post-Qing Chinese dynasty name pinched from @Thande because I'm never happy with ones I come up with.
This one was posted in the alternate history travel guides website by Thomas R. Keith. https://web.archive.org/web/20051228045350/http://www.ahtg.net/alterframe.html : just go to "Marseilles, Doorway to Europe" in the "Europes" section on the index.
Post-Qing Chinese dynasty name pinched from @Thande because I'm never happy with ones I come up with.
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I've been working on it, but it's taking a while. I do things old school, pixel by pixel. I've finished Europe and Africa but I do not like how Africa turned out.
Thanks. Actually, I did it with all of them 'cause I'm lazy.
I guess it's just the first time where I used a color where it still was visible. I'll see if I can't change it the next update.
I like how you have to walk two thirds the width of the park just to get from the parking to the park itself. That’ll weed out the whiners and make the ride lines shorter.
A yes, the United Kingdom of Flanders, Wallonia and the Netherlands...which doesn't seem to contain either Flanders or Wallonia.
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