Thats so weird. I can't even imagine what Europe would look like.
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The only thing I feel confident about is that Russia would be the most powerful and probably even the richest of the European Powers, controlling the traditional northern routes of the Silk Road
I had a similar timeline/map in mind called "The White Sun at Noon", which was going to focus on the beneficial effects on China. But your map is much nicer than mine was going to be.
I could ask you the same question
Well, someone has to go get the holy water for this map, so I'll get on that.
I like the way you've altered Spanish with the passing of time. It actually feels like a a direction the language could go in and not just Spanish with letters swapped out.
I'm noticing a theme in some of your recent works...
Unless you disprove it I'll just assume these take place in the same world
Europe will be quite different by this time. And I feel worry for the Indigenous peoples of this world, about to collide with gunboats and plagues at the same time.
Because the other maps are taking longer than I anticipated, allow me to give my thoughts on TNO. I never really fell into the orbit of Paradox Games, but I have found some of the mods a bit interesting as starting points. After several conversations with a friend and much map-staring-at, I found that (for someone who never played TNO directly), I had developed some opinions on how things could turn out when reality began to catch up to the Axis Powers. To wit, that they would be thrown down, and their ruin smote upon the mountainside. Thus, I present this modest map, in which you too, good reader, can watch in real time as Germany and Japan fall from superpower-status (Italy crashed and burnt long ago in the parched deserts of what used to be the Mediterranean), as the United States, Brazil, Manchurian China, the Republic of India, and Iberia establish themselves as the new Great Powers of the World. (Debates about the Soviet Union's reentry into the club are ongoing.)
Here is a quick (Under 20 minutes) map I made... of a cursed Ottoman Empire.
Imagine, in this world British Hondorus might someday end up as Hondorus. Then again, I can’t see them eagerly going for independence, given the sort of neighbors they have.
Perfect for here.
A map for a cancelled EPCOT pavilion called Equatorial Africa, only a small part in between the promenade and lagoon seen on the map was ever built.
A map of a cancelled Israel Pavilion at EPCOT. It's not hard to see why this pavilion was scrapped.
almost surprised they didn’t add the Tribal Areas to the NWMF. Then again, this is hardly the Austrian Empire, where they had looong stretches of military frontiers. Seems like you will have a lot of interesting things for India here. Sri Lanka was not a part of the Empire of India officially, but due to geography, and the large Tamil and Indian population it does make sense for them to join. Wouldn’t be surprised if Oman might keep its port here. Karachi, I think?Presidencies of the British Raj
**The Northwest Military Frontier is technically not a presidency, but it is at the same administrative level.
The various presidencies all have their own parliaments but lack any real power. They are merely advisory bodies for the President, who is a figure chosen by the British. As part of their entrance into the World War (1938*), they were promised further self-governance. The proposed reform of the Raj, colloquially known as "Westminster 2" (in reference to the 1929* Statute of Westminster), would effectively grant complete self-government equivalent to that of Canada or Australia. The various princely states would remain as they were. The NWMF would be settled at a later date.
A sneak peek for my timeline "Common Peace, Common Wealth".
*Dates are different from OTL due to changes earlier in history.
Surprising Italy doesn’t claim the much of the coasts near Tuscany and Venice. Should I take it that they are thus not claiming land for the sake of it, but as claiming land they previously had and then lost?
Disappointing that there is no writeup for how relations between neighboring countries go down, but given the amount of floods, land slides, and different worlds are here, I imagine it would be almost incomprehensible or require you to fill the word limit or one or two posts to do it justice. Ahhh, and it seems like the Imperial Heartland from the Elder Scolls might get its original, semi-tropical climate in this world.
Is Split or Dalmatia independent here? If not, surprising Venice is the only place with two cities shown.
The environs of Venice, like OTL were never ruled by the Italians/Lombards, remaining a refugia that Rome rules. Pisa, however was once part of the Kingdom of Italy ITL but succeeded early and rejoined the Roman Empire before 1000 AD.
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Here is a quick (Under 20 minutes) map I made... of a cursed Ottoman Empire.
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Is it cursed (except from maybe a geographical map look, but I don't find it that bad. Aren't they better of in terms of agriculture and resoruces in these lands? Not sure, just aksing.
Here is a quick (Under 20 minutes) map I made... of a cursed Ottoman Empire.
The cursed is more of general humor, but also because they occupy Poland.
Winged Hussars didn't go brrrrr this time.
Prussia-austrian war was slightly longer and Prussia was, despite Bismarck protests, more grabby...
Which lead to totally different post-1866 Austria - with german element weakened and Hungarians seen as even less reliable, Slavs plays more prominent role and instead of OTL A-H as two states in one we have sort of "federation" of smaller countries, which policy is dominated by coallition of aristocracy, conservative-catholic Germans and Slavic nationalists.
In future, this Austria (or Austroslavia) will probably act as sort of "patron" and liberator of Balkan Slavs (taking to some degree role of OTL Russia and/or Serbia)
(give me better source map and I, maybe, one day, eventually, try to do better looking map or sequel to this scenario)
Which lead to totally different post-1866 Austria - with german element weakened and Hungarians seen as even less reliable, Slavs plays more prominent role and instead of OTL A-H as two states in one we have sort of "federation" of smaller countries, which policy is dominated by coallition of aristocracy, conservative-catholic Germans and Slavic nationalists.
In future, this Austria (or Austroslavia) will probably act as sort of "patron" and liberator of Balkan Slavs (taking to some degree role of OTL Russia and/or Serbia)
(give me better source map and I, maybe, one day, eventually, try to do better looking map or sequel to this scenario)
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Did this shiite Ottoman ITTL have arabia under their rule? How the relation between Muslim Sect? Is it more hostile as of OTL or just the same? Really nice seeing islamic Russia and surviving al andalus.
Interesting variation from your first "East is West" map. What is the rough equivalent for Korea in this map, since in the first map it was the Netherlands? Are you still going going with that parallel or is Korea closer to Scandinavia on this map? Curious what conditions are like in *South Africa btw-if it has a large East Asian settler population akin to the whites in OTL South Africa and there is something like OTL Apartheid. Is New Nippon roughly as democratic as the OTL United States and is most of its Asian population of Japanese descent rather than Chinese? Ofc, like the OTL United States New Nippon may be doing a good job of assimilating a large Chinese immigrant population.
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Ouch, some of those border changes look messy. Must have been a lot of upheaval. What is the story with the are in Franconia south of Saxony and Thuringia? Is it it’s own thing or is it run by the Hohenzollern? On that same note, what is the situation with Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen? Half surprised they still have it after the land they took, though I suppose they might have threatened to directly annex to Prussia the remainder of Hesse within the North. Why did Austria give up Voralburg? I know there are mountains separating it from the rest of Austria, plus dialect issues, but it seems large enough and to have been a part of Austria long enough that the Austrians wouldn’t give it up without massive compensation. Or I suppose if it is used as a dowry. Well, maps get boring if they don’t have some changes to them. Should be interesting to see how things unfold.
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Very interesting and well done map.
I wonder if this would affect the Spanish colonisation of Mexico. There are likely trade routes from Chinese California (or even the places where Zheng He stopped off) to the Aztecs etc and through that the old world diseases could spread earlier. Likely weakening the Mesoamericans about 100 - 70 years before the Spanish really take an interest in the area. Could mean that the Mesoamericans have recovered or that there are even less natives and Mexico is much easier to conquer..
They indeed do! Some of those borders I changed were around for centuries...
My primary goal was to get rid as much of german-speaking pop. as possible yet to retain some sort of at least semi-natural/not-totally-undefensible/random borders (and I think I wasn´t totally unsucsefull in that, exept northwest Bohemia with Aussig/Ústí)
About borders in western Germany I didn´t think much and leave them be (should be same as OTL)
Wouldn't the Americas have been discovered via the Bering Straight by then?
"For centuries, the dream of crossing the Atlantic has persisted among the European, to travel from Lisbon, Brest, London, Seville, or Amsterdam, to the great ports of Asia in Edo, Canton, or Jayakarta, to bypass the hostile Musulman, the semi-barbaric Russian, or the arduous path around the Cape of Needles.
Alas, the Atlantic had always proven too mighty to cross. Intrepid explorers from across the world would attempt to cross it, only to be lost in its vastness. Even the great maritime civilizations of Carthage, Spain, and even we ourselves would attempt the trek, only for them to be lost in the waves, never to be heard from again.
But that was in a very different age, where ships were limited to the strength of wood, and to the power of man and wind. Today, our vessels are made of iron and steel, powered by coal and fire, and manned by a crew numbering cities. A ship of the caliber of the Victorious can travel at a steady 12 knots while not having to worry about unfavorable winds or hostile waves, and carry greater supplies. A century ago, it would take six months to go from London to Canton around Africa by sail. Now, it can take as little as six weeks if we cross the Atlantic by engine.
The voyage of the Victorious will be a valiant one, to forever shape the course of history, permanently connecting the markets of Europe and Asia forever."
-Rt Hon Admiral Harald Tattenhall
If you want a more coherent explanation: In 1492, Columbus sets sail on his voyage across the Atlantic to find a direct route to India. He never made it back. Later, the Portuguese and English also send their own expeditions west, but those, too, never return. This just confirms to everyone that the Atlantic is far too large and dangerous to attempt to cross, and they maintain more traditional routes near the coasts. However, once Steam engines are constructed, people start getting brave enough to try again.
Here is a quick (Under 20 minutes) map I made... of a cursed Ottoman Empire.
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