You have been misdirected: topo maps aren't really in my wheelhouse. Trying to figure out what Antarctica would look like after an ASB 1000 foot sea level rise would require an amount of research I'm currently too busy to do.
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Very disturbing concept, well done on the map! I did see this and do a double-take:
Wait...wut? That's not a human rights violation. Unless you mean from an in-universe POV, and/or the fact that it's these awful regimes owning them (EDIT: which would certainly be abominable)? Just confused about that bit.
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Operation Suvorov: The West Russian War
From The Ashes
After the catastrophic defeat of the Soviet Union after the Battle of Moscow and the swift occupation of the Caucasus, Germany imposed their ambitious terms during the Treaty of Kherson: Mainly annexing a huge chunk of Western Russia and forcing the Soviet Army to withdraw according to the Arkhangelsk–Astrakhan Line. The once-mighty socialist state has now squirmed into a mere rump state since 1943, stifled by a backwater industry and secessionist uprisings.
It wasn't until the rise of Genrikh Yagoda that the state rapidly recovered from its losses and even thrived under the benefits of his reformations. With the support of the Soviet Army under Kliment Voroshilov, the Anti-Bukharinist cadres, and the Beriaist faction within the NKVD, the new General-Secretary was to consolidate his rule within the Presidium and introduce key resolutions during the 19th Soviet Congress: The banning party factionalism, extending the Korenizatsiya program, and reintroducing of the Gosplan.
[If you want to read the wall of text, here's the full piece in DeviantArt]
And yes, I'm back!
Dictator Package?
Freedom of speech, movement and press under a dictatorship?
Such a dictatorship would not last long.
I’ll bite. What is the blueish green area between the brown and blue in Russia? And I have to say, it seems interesting to keep so many stem duchies around, as well as to have such a long line of German backed or ruled states in the Balkans.
Any Jewish majority or plurality areas? I can’t quite make it out on the map where they might be, if so. And interesting to see a bit of a buffer state between France and Spain. Is it connected or part of Andorra? Such a strange world almost, that France and Spain share such a short border, and none in the Pyrenees. Oooh, Moroccan Canaries. Plenty of original stuff here.
Dang it. I saw a list of Little People and was hoping to find Oompa Loompas. I look forward to seeing whatever all this ends up as. I feel intimidated even reading it now and I can only imagine how many pages of the writeup you will do.
I would say Bolivia would be miffed that Brazil gets to claim plenty of areas they didn’t have before, but Bolivia cannot expand northwards into unpopulated areas, but I suppose they would be happy that most of their country came through. Not entirely sure where the line in the map where people vanished starts.
Any reason for the District system? At first I was thinking for Salzburg and Westphalia it might be some holdover from the old Prince Bishops, though it doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny.
I'm going for a 500 feet sea level rise specifically. And based on those maps i posted
Districts originated as "places that couldn't be trusted with self-government".
Schleswig and Holstein are the originators after annexation from Denmark. Westphalia was reduced to such due to fear of communism (Social Democracy is plenty popular, but it is the Weimar style anti-Communist Social Democracy). Salzburg was the annexation of Prince Bishopric.
Later the districts did democratise but a turn to the other types of organisation was not decided on.
So I just finished my attempt at a version of Antarctica at 500m sea level rise, and with no ice melt:
had to do a lot of eyeballing with the other 500m sea level maps.
i'm posting this here so that it could be assessed and have changes or tweaks made to make it more geographically accurate since i eyeballed most of it..
The reason why i wanted this made was for an ASB scenario that was an odd marrying of Waterworld and Pirates of the Carribean/Sea of Thieves. The sea level rise being the roduct of something supernatural and magical. It's the reason the ice on greenland and antarctica is still intact.
had to do a lot of eyeballing with the other 500m sea level maps.
i'm posting this here so that it could be assessed and have changes or tweaks made to make it more geographically accurate since i eyeballed most of it..
The reason why i wanted this made was for an ASB scenario that was an odd marrying of Waterworld and Pirates of the Carribean/Sea of Thieves. The sea level rise being the roduct of something supernatural and magical. It's the reason the ice on greenland and antarctica is still intact.
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Maybe you are right, but I say they were forced to do that in the treaty, like how Germany was forced to agree to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. And I may just grant that request.
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If you want the backstory, the blue thing in my signature that says "Great War of 2050" will take you to the thread.
^Google Document that is in a better format for treaties. Also has flags of Signatories^
Treaty of Wellington
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This treaty was signed December 25, 2050, to end the war that started a year before. The following are the terms.
EUROPE
Due to previous arrangement, the Republic of Lithuania will annex a portion of the Republic of Belarus.
Due to previous arrangement, the Republic of Poland will annex a portion of the Republic of Belarus.
The Republic of Lithuania will annex Kaliningrad, and rename the territory to Königsberg.
The Bavarian Socialist Soviet Republic will be annexed by the German-Danish Union.
The Republic of Serbia will recognize the independence of the Republic of Kosovo.
All members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, excluding the Russian Federation, will leave the Collective Security Treaty Organization and join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
The Republic of Finland will annex Russian parts of Scandinavia.
All signatories of the Treaty of Wellington will not recognize the independence of the Free Republic of Catalonia
The Russian Federation will be known as the Remnants of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, or more commonly as The Remnants.
Any Questions or Comments?
The Indian Civil War (1985 - 1993)
A Followup of this post.
The Nepali War brought several issues in India back to the surface. The economy started to move forward at the pace of a snail, and internal discontent grew. By 1979, Sikkim was in a state of open revolt, as many people in Sikkim, especially the Ethnic Nepalese and Ethnic Tibetans believed the vote rigged in 1975. Fueled by the invasion of Nepal, the Sikkimese were now fighting for their own freedom as well through the means of insurgency. In 1982, the Communist Party of India met in secret in Hyderabad during the infamous 1982 Conference, and called for the end of the war, and new elections, deeming the war in Nepal to be an imperialistic war. This coupled with other rising ethnic tensions forced Indira Gandhi to declare a state of total emergency, de-facto giving herself dictatorial powers. The Storming of the Amritsar Golden Temple, which was host to Sikh nationalists in 1983 to suppress dissent created another major uproar in Punjab, and along with growing economic discontinent, a large scale guerilla war erupted in Punjab as well, disrupting India's food supply. With communist party members being arrested left, right and center, and all the pre-requisite situation in place, in 1983, the Communists of India decided to declare for revolution, and starting to arm guerillas and fighters against the government, allying itself with the Indian opposition.
In 1984, India withdrew from Nepal after 9 years of war, and was now faced with a tough choice to bring internal malcontents into control. This failed as PM Chavan was ousted from power due to his 'meek' surrender of $10 billion to the Nepalese through a Vote of No Confidence, elevating the hardline Sanjay Gandhi to the post of Prime Minister. Sanjay Gandhi's approach was to crush the dissenting voices, declare a new emergency to bring things back into order before easing things out in the future. This approach did not sit well, and by this point, Punjab, Sikkim, and many parts of India were in open revolt against New Delhi's government. Taking advantage of the chaos unfolding in India, the separatists in Assam rose up as well, and in 1985 the Alliance of the other northeastern liberation groups was signed bringing the Indian Civil War to bear by early 1985. Other combatants entered the fray as well, as Pakistan began to occupy Kashmir and China occupied Arunachal Pradesh. fearing for the situation, in 1987, a military coup led by General Ved Prakash Malik ousted the civilian government and brought in a military junta in India. Under Malik's governance, the Tamils, Nepalese Separatists and Communists were finally defeated in 1993. In 1993 the Thimpu Accords were signed giving independence to Sikkim, Assam, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Tripura, Manipur and Khalistan. The Line of Control was formally redrawn in favor of Pakistan and China, and Tamils and Nepalese within India gained separate special ethnic rights.
India's military junta and dictatorship continued continued until the 2002 Indian Lotus Revolution which overthrew military rule after 15 years under it and brought back civilian control.
Thoughts and comments?
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Why is General Shabeg Singh's pic in Black-and-White?The Indian Civil War (1985 - 1993)
Thoughts and comments?
I've been on an After the End kick lately, so I made my own medieval America setting, but fantasy, which I'm probably going to use in a D&D game or something
Is the orange dot North West of Nepal, kalapani?The Indian Civil War (1985 - 1993)A Followup of this post.
The Nepali War brought several issues in India back to the surface. The economy started to move forward at the pace of a snail, and internal discontent grew. By 1979, Sikkim was in a state of open revolt, as many people in Sikkim, especially the Ethnic Nepalese and Ethnic Tibetans believed the vote rigged in 1975. Fueled by the invasion of Nepal, the Sikkimese were now fighting for their own freedom as well through the means of insurgency. In 1982, the Communist Party of India met in secret in Hyderabad during the infamous 1982 Conference, and called for the end of the war, and new elections, deeming the war in Nepal to be an imperialistic war. This coupled with other rising ethnic tensions forced Indira Gandhi to declare a state of total emergency, de-facto giving herself dictatorial powers. The Storming of the Amritsar Golden Temple, which was host to Sikh nationalists in 1983 to suppress dissent created another major uproar in Punjab, and along with growing economic discontinent, a large scale guerilla war erupted in Punjab as well, disrupting India's food supply. With communist party members being arrested left, right and center, and all the pre-requisite situation in place, in 1983, the Communists of India decided to declare for revolution, and starting to arm guerillas and fighters against the government, allying itself with the Indian opposition.
In 1984, India withdrew from Nepal after 9 years of war, and was now faced with a tough choice to bring internal malcontents into control. This failed as PM Chavan was ousted from power due to his 'meek' surrender of $10 billion to the Nepalese through a Vote of No Confidence, elevating the hardline Sanjay Gandhi to the post of Prime Minister. Sanjay Gandhi's approach was to crush the dissenting voices, declare a new emergency to bring things back into order before easing things out in the future. This approach did not sit well, and by this point, Punjab, Sikkim, and many parts of India were in open revolt against New Delhi's government. Taking advantage of the chaos unfolding in India, the separatists in Assam rose up as well, and in 1985 the Alliance of the other northeastern liberation groups was signed bringing the Indian Civil War to bear by early 1985. Other combatants entered the fray as well, as Pakistan began to occupy Kashmir and China occupied Arunachal Pradesh. fearing for the situation, in 1987, a military coup led by General Ved Prakash Malik ousted the civilian government and brought in a military junta in India. Under Malik's governance, the Tamils, Nepalese Separatists and Communists were finally defeated in 1993. In 1993 the Thimpu Accords were signed giving independence to Sikkim, Assam, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Tripura, Manipur and Khalistan. The Line of Control was formally redrawn in favor of Pakistan and China, and Tamils and Nepalese within India gained separate special ethnic rights.
India's military junta and dictatorship continued continued until the 2002 Indian Lotus Revolution which overthrew military rule after 15 years under it and brought back civilian control.
Thoughts and comments?
And what is the status of democratic Republic of India? Is it a independent nation?
Crossposting from MotF 251: On Old Foundations:
The Roman Federation
A cover of Ofaloaf's winning map in MotF 40: Castles Made of Sand.
The Crisis of the Fifth Century was by far the greatest challenge the Empire had to go through at the time. Attila’s attacks brought down a swarm of Hunnic raiders and fleeing barbarians, something that the Empire had grown more and more unready to resist. The illusion of Rome’s eternity was shattering. While more incompetent emperors would have failed and led to the Empire’s collapse, the Majorianic Dynasty proved to be the Empire’s salvation throughout the crisis. At first fighting against the barbarians during the reign of Emperor Majorian I, later fighting with the barbarians as allies during the reign of Dominus, the Empire slowly reformed, adapting to the times it was living in.
Emperor Dominus was the one to establish the Foederatio Romanum, the unofficial name the Western Empire received following his reforms, a new set of administrative reforms of the Empire which sought to end the crisis. Under these changes, the Empire would elevate the idea of Foederati peoples to official subdivisions. At first there was a considerable amount of resistance from the barbarian kings, but under both Dominus’ mighty military capabilities and skillful diplomacy, one by one the Foederati of the continental Western Empire acceded to the terms. Under the Federation, Roman Law would be imposed on the barbarian population, ending the Germanic laws that the Goths and Burgundians followed, and subjecting them to Rome, as well as converting to Nicene Christianity. In exchange, the barbarian kings would be granted full control of their own diocese as well as Roman citizenship for them and their subjects. It was a tough price to pay for both the Empire and the Germanic Tribes, but ultimately it was successful. Though Dominus was not able to secure the Vandals of Africa as Foederati, his successor Majorian II managed peace with them, with his revitalization of the Roman Navy and the creation of the Diocese Insularis aimed at stopping the Vandals’ incursions into Rome. As well as granting autonomy to the Germanic Foederati, Dominus also established semi-autonomous Dioceses in the lands outside of Italy, with the aim of countering the barbarians through a delicate balance of power, with the most notable of them being the Diocese Galliae, which under various Duces (military commanders) would later briefly subjugate the Franks and Alamanni into Foederati status, marking the peak of the Roman Federation.
The Roman Federation would ultimately fall in AD 749 to Bulgarian invaders, who would go on to establish the Bulgarian Khaganate and later Empire in Italy and Pannonia. While attempts to continue the Federation and reconquer Italy would spring from Gallia and Hispania, ultimately the Sub-Roman Kingdoms in the West would be ended with the Saxon Conquest of Gallia and later the Mauretanian Invasion of Hispania.
The Roman Federation
A cover of Ofaloaf's winning map in MotF 40: Castles Made of Sand.
The Crisis of the Fifth Century was by far the greatest challenge the Empire had to go through at the time. Attila’s attacks brought down a swarm of Hunnic raiders and fleeing barbarians, something that the Empire had grown more and more unready to resist. The illusion of Rome’s eternity was shattering. While more incompetent emperors would have failed and led to the Empire’s collapse, the Majorianic Dynasty proved to be the Empire’s salvation throughout the crisis. At first fighting against the barbarians during the reign of Emperor Majorian I, later fighting with the barbarians as allies during the reign of Dominus, the Empire slowly reformed, adapting to the times it was living in.
Emperor Dominus was the one to establish the Foederatio Romanum, the unofficial name the Western Empire received following his reforms, a new set of administrative reforms of the Empire which sought to end the crisis. Under these changes, the Empire would elevate the idea of Foederati peoples to official subdivisions. At first there was a considerable amount of resistance from the barbarian kings, but under both Dominus’ mighty military capabilities and skillful diplomacy, one by one the Foederati of the continental Western Empire acceded to the terms. Under the Federation, Roman Law would be imposed on the barbarian population, ending the Germanic laws that the Goths and Burgundians followed, and subjecting them to Rome, as well as converting to Nicene Christianity. In exchange, the barbarian kings would be granted full control of their own diocese as well as Roman citizenship for them and their subjects. It was a tough price to pay for both the Empire and the Germanic Tribes, but ultimately it was successful. Though Dominus was not able to secure the Vandals of Africa as Foederati, his successor Majorian II managed peace with them, with his revitalization of the Roman Navy and the creation of the Diocese Insularis aimed at stopping the Vandals’ incursions into Rome. As well as granting autonomy to the Germanic Foederati, Dominus also established semi-autonomous Dioceses in the lands outside of Italy, with the aim of countering the barbarians through a delicate balance of power, with the most notable of them being the Diocese Galliae, which under various Duces (military commanders) would later briefly subjugate the Franks and Alamanni into Foederati status, marking the peak of the Roman Federation.
The Roman Federation would ultimately fall in AD 749 to Bulgarian invaders, who would go on to establish the Bulgarian Khaganate and later Empire in Italy and Pannonia. While attempts to continue the Federation and reconquer Italy would spring from Gallia and Hispania, ultimately the Sub-Roman Kingdoms in the West would be ended with the Saxon Conquest of Gallia and later the Mauretanian Invasion of Hispania.
Would the anglo-saxons and Jutes really migrate to the British isles without the fall of the Roman empire?Crossposting from MotF 251: On Old Foundations:
The Roman Federation
A cover of Ofaloaf's winning map in MotF 40: Castles Made of Sand.
The Crisis of the Fifth Century was by far the greatest challenge the Empire had to go through at the time. Attila’s attacks brought down a swarm of Hunnic raiders and fleeing barbarians, something that the Empire had grown more and more unready to resist. The illusion of Rome’s eternity was shattering. While more incompetent emperors would have failed and led to the Empire’s collapse, the Majorianic Dynasty proved to be the Empire’s salvation throughout the crisis. At first fighting against the barbarians during the reign of Emperor Majorian I, later fighting with the barbarians as allies during the reign of Dominus, the Empire slowly reformed, adapting to the times it was living in.
Emperor Dominus was the one to establish the Foederatio Romanum, the unofficial name the Western Empire received following his reforms, a new set of administrative reforms of the Empire which sought to end the crisis. Under these changes, the Empire would elevate the idea of Foederati peoples to official subdivisions. At first there was a considerable amount of resistance from the barbarian kings, but under both Dominus’ mighty military capabilities and skillful diplomacy, one by one the Foederati of the continental Western Empire acceded to the terms. Under the Federation, Roman Law would be imposed on the barbarian population, ending the Germanic laws that the Goths and Burgundians followed, and subjecting them to Rome, as well as converting to Nicene Christianity. In exchange, the barbarian kings would be granted full control of their own diocese as well as Roman citizenship for them and their subjects. It was a tough price to pay for both the Empire and the Germanic Tribes, but ultimately it was successful. Though Dominus was not able to secure the Vandals of Africa as Foederati, his successor Majorian II managed peace with them, with his revitalization of the Roman Navy and the creation of the Diocese Insularis aimed at stopping the Vandals’ incursions into Rome. As well as granting autonomy to the Germanic Foederati, Dominus also established semi-autonomous Dioceses in the lands outside of Italy, with the aim of countering the barbarians through a delicate balance of power, with the most notable of them being the Diocese Galliae, which under various Duces (military commanders) would later briefly subjugate the Franks and Alamanni into Foederati status, marking the peak of the Roman Federation.
The Roman Federation would ultimately fall in AD 749 to Bulgarian invaders, who would go on to establish the Bulgarian Khaganate and later Empire in Italy and Pannonia. While attempts to continue the Federation and reconquer Italy would spring from Gallia and Hispania, ultimately the Sub-Roman Kingdoms in the West would be ended with the Saxon Conquest of Gallia and later the Mauretanian Invasion of Hispania.
I took it to be the dictator package of human rights violations (no FOS etc)
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If you want the backstory, the blue thing in my signature that says "Great War of 2050" will take you to the thread.
^Google Document that is in a better format for treaties. Also has flags of Signatories^Treaty of Wellington
This treaty was signed December 25, 2050, to end the war that started a year before. The following are the terms.
EUROPE
Due to previous arrangement, the Republic of Lithuania will annex a portion of the Republic of Belarus.
Due to previous arrangement, the Republic of Poland will annex a portion of the Republic of Belarus.
The Republic of Lithuania will annex Kaliningrad, and rename the territory to Königsberg.
The Bavarian Socialist Soviet Republic will be annexed by the German-Danish Union.
The Republic of Serbia will recognize the independence of the Republic of Kosovo.
All members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, excluding the Russian Federation, will leave the Collective Security Treaty Organization and join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
The Republic of Finland will annex Russian parts of Scandinavia.
All signatories of the Treaty of Wellington will not recognize the independence of the Free Republic of Catalonia
NORTH AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN
The United States of America will annex and incorporate the Republic of Cuba into the 76th State.
SOUTH AMERICA
The Republic of Colombia will annex the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
OCEANIA
All signatories will give war reparation money to New Zealand to pay for damages to Wellington, however with the request to leave the building in which this treaty was signed destroyed, as a monument.
AFRICA
All signatories will recognize the independence of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.
The People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria will be reorganized into the Republic of Algeria.
The Kingdom of Morocco will be partitioned between the Republic of Algeria, The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and the Kingdom of Spain.
MIDDLE EAST AND ARABIAN PENINSULA
All signatories will support the State of Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
The United Arab Emirates will annex the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Kingdom of Bahrain, the Republic of Yemen, the State of Qatar and the Sultanate of Oman. The United Arab Emirates will be known as the Arabian Federation.
ASIA
The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan will annex the Republic of Armenia, the Republic of Abkhazia, the Republic of Artsakh, the Republic of Azerbaijan, Georgia, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic, the Republic of South Ossetia–the State of Alania, the Republic of Tajikistan, Republic of Turkmenistan, the Republic of Uzbekistan and parts of the Russian Federation, with the border being a straight line from these coordinates: 48.432893, 46.489225 - 49.568881, 40.169328. This will include Volgograd.
The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan will be known as the Islamic Republic of Caspia.
The Republic of China will be put in charge of all of China, destroying the People’s Republic of China.
The Republic of Korea will annex all of Korea, destroying the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
Due to previous arrangements, the Republic of India will annex Jammu and Kashmir from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
A Democratic-Capitalist government is put in place in both the Lao People’s Democratic Republic and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
Japan will annex the island of Sakhalin from the Russian Federation.
The Russian Federation will be known as the Remnants of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, or more commonly as The Remnants.
Any Questions or Comments?
Treaty of Wellington, but more descriptive and not a hexagon map.
Yes, migration started after the Roman retreat from Britannia, and even before the Empire had collapsed the Anglo-Saxons were already pretty well established in the island.
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