That's OTL, the Third Intermediate Period was pretty rough on Egypt.
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I've been a fan of the Fallout series since Fallout 3 came out, or rather, since I saw the trailer for that game... It's one of my favourite fictional universes still. Long time ago and even to today I wanted to make my own version of things. The idea came to me like a decade ago, Fallout: New York. However, I never felt, and I still don't feel, like I could do the idea justice even though the fanfiction is planned from beginning to end. So, I took on a smaller project some time ago and continued iterating from time to time, seeing if there would be a time when I had a combination of time and will that was favourable enough to finish it. That came now.
Apologies if I have posted this map before, it's quite old actually so I don't really recall. Here's one of the first iterations of the concept; unfinished, but serving as a base for the next big project I have. This will be my version of Fallout: Western Europe.
I say my version because it's how I want it to be, including contradicting some of the source material and expanding upon some of it, with a healthy dose of wacky stuff that many could dislike. Well, it's my version and so you are warned. While Fallout: New York was planned as (really long) book, Fallout: Western Europe is planned more as a personal worldbuilding thing.
Just as a tease: do you remember the size of the common maps here in AH.com? Well, Jersey and Guernsey are each larger than the island of Great Britain in worlda format in the map that I am now making. Discarding the distortion of the projection, I safely say that, comparing the size of a single pixel to the width of the ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam, a single pixel is around 500 metres in size.
If everything continues going alright, the map should be finished come March, I guess.
With all that said, I cannot leave without any kind of progress, so here's one of the first iterations of the map of Fallout: Western Europe.
Apologies if I have posted this map before, it's quite old actually so I don't really recall. Here's one of the first iterations of the concept; unfinished, but serving as a base for the next big project I have. This will be my version of Fallout: Western Europe.
I say my version because it's how I want it to be, including contradicting some of the source material and expanding upon some of it, with a healthy dose of wacky stuff that many could dislike. Well, it's my version and so you are warned. While Fallout: New York was planned as (really long) book, Fallout: Western Europe is planned more as a personal worldbuilding thing.
Just as a tease: do you remember the size of the common maps here in AH.com? Well, Jersey and Guernsey are each larger than the island of Great Britain in worlda format in the map that I am now making. Discarding the distortion of the projection, I safely say that, comparing the size of a single pixel to the width of the ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam, a single pixel is around 500 metres in size.
If everything continues going alright, the map should be finished come March, I guess.
With all that said, I cannot leave without any kind of progress, so here's one of the first iterations of the map of Fallout: Western Europe.
French Lovecraft Cultists and Death Metal Vikings and many Luxembourgs, Oh My!
Great as always! Since it is Chinese-centered, it will be cool to have a Pacific-centered version of this map!
To be fair this is IOTL. Third Intermediate Period was a low point in Egyptian history. Something that may or may not be changed in my TL!
China and its de facto protectorates (year 2000)
China
Population: 1,287,442,000
GDP: US$ 5.14 trillion
Korea
Population: 68,102,000
GDP: US$ 681 billion
Vietnam
Population: 51,389,000
GDP: US$ 77 billion
Laos
Population: 5,498,000
GDP: US$ 5 billion
China recovered Taiwan and resumed its protectorate over Korea after defeating Japan on the Second Sino-Japanese War. When troubles were undermining French authority in Indochina, China seized the opportunity and the non-declared Second Sino-French war broke. As result, Tonkin and Annam formed Vietnam, that became a de facto Chinese protectorate, under Chinese military occupation, as the small Kingdom of Laos while Cambodia and Cochinchina were kept under French tutelage.
China
Population: 1,287,442,000
GDP: US$ 5.14 trillion
Korea
Population: 68,102,000
GDP: US$ 681 billion
Vietnam
Population: 51,389,000
GDP: US$ 77 billion
Laos
Population: 5,498,000
GDP: US$ 5 billion
China recovered Taiwan and resumed its protectorate over Korea after defeating Japan on the Second Sino-Japanese War. When troubles were undermining French authority in Indochina, China seized the opportunity and the non-declared Second Sino-French war broke. As result, Tonkin and Annam formed Vietnam, that became a de facto Chinese protectorate, under Chinese military occupation, as the small Kingdom of Laos while Cambodia and Cochinchina were kept under French tutelage.
Continuing my CP victory series I wanted to share some information on the state of the world in 1965 before the second world war. Which is where probably will end this series.
Empire of China:
Yuan Shihkai is successful in restoring the empire in China, defeating the KMT. After rejecting demands from Japan, Yuan is able to retain support from much of the army and populace. His crackdowns on the KMT eventually leads to civil war. Germany, victorious in Europe but embarrassed by Japan in the east offers military support to China. Yuan with this support is eventually able to win the civil war banning the KMT in the process. However, China is not in a good position. The Soviets and Japanese seize Mongolia and Manchuria respectively. The warlordism established in the 1910s-1920s still persists to this day. But recently reforms and attempts at centralizing China have begun to weaken the warlords. Japan has begun giving support to the southern provinces that until now have mostly been mostly outside of control of the Dragon Throne. Drawing China and Japan ever closer to another war.
The invasion of Mongolia and Xinjiang by the Soviets sours the populace's belief in Communism and the movement eventually dies out in China.
China's requests for nuclear weapons from Germany have thus far been rebuffed. Putting China at a massive disadvantage against a Japan just waiting for the opportunity to use her arsenal against them.
Japan and the Greater East Asian Co-prosperity sphere.
After wwi Japan's militarism subside a bit. Japan maintains better relations with Great Britain and France. France agrees to sell Indochina to Japan in 1924 after the French economy collapses unable to keep up with payments to Germany. Japan aids the Philippines in resistance. The US is more resistant to independence and as a result the Philippines fights for it eventually reaching an agreement and independence in 1926 with the US withdrawing militarily entirely. The Philippines and Japan become allies and when the Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere is formed the Philippines become a member.
Great Britain and France begin to become worried about Japanese militarism with the Japanese sphere of influence drawing ever closer to their own. However, the victory of Communists in India and Northern China worry the allies more.
In 1959 Japan tests its first nuclear weapon in Northern Manchuria.
By 1965 Japan has arguably the most powerful navy in the world with state of the art ships itching for war.
People's Republic of India
Britain is able to exit WWI mostly unscathed. Their colonial empire intact, with Germany unable to enforce any serious demands against them. However, the empire finds itself in massive debt and its manpower defeated.
After the Soviet success in Xinjiang and Mongolia. The Soviets turn their attention to Persia and to India. Hoping to establish friendly communist governments and to remove the threat of the possible hostile British to their South. Soviets offer their support to socialists and communists in India. The movement grows eventually leading to unrest and protests in the late 1930s. The Raj and Britain crack down hard. Killing thousands of protestors. Eventually the situation becomes untenable and India erupts in total Civil war. And by 1949 victory is won. However while the Soviet Union is able to fairly successfully establish a powerful and centralized multi-national state, the situation in India is tenuous. Only by constant aid by Moscow is India able to hold onto the Muslim majority regions of the nation. In 1957 Moscow gives nuclear weapons and plans to the PRI. While all other nuclear powers acquire their weapons as a deterrent to foreign powers, India's greatest threat is itself. It is believed that the primary role of the arsenal is as a deterrent against internal rebellion.
By 1965 India is on the verge of collapse and the cost to Moscow trying to hold it together is nearing the point of being too costly to bear.
In Africa the European colonizers desperately try to cling to control. Beginning in 1930 by the defeat of Italy by Ethiopia. Whether at gunpoint or by negotiation decolonization in Africa is happening.
Empire of China:
Yuan Shihkai is successful in restoring the empire in China, defeating the KMT. After rejecting demands from Japan, Yuan is able to retain support from much of the army and populace. His crackdowns on the KMT eventually leads to civil war. Germany, victorious in Europe but embarrassed by Japan in the east offers military support to China. Yuan with this support is eventually able to win the civil war banning the KMT in the process. However, China is not in a good position. The Soviets and Japanese seize Mongolia and Manchuria respectively. The warlordism established in the 1910s-1920s still persists to this day. But recently reforms and attempts at centralizing China have begun to weaken the warlords. Japan has begun giving support to the southern provinces that until now have mostly been mostly outside of control of the Dragon Throne. Drawing China and Japan ever closer to another war.
The invasion of Mongolia and Xinjiang by the Soviets sours the populace's belief in Communism and the movement eventually dies out in China.
China's requests for nuclear weapons from Germany have thus far been rebuffed. Putting China at a massive disadvantage against a Japan just waiting for the opportunity to use her arsenal against them.
Japan and the Greater East Asian Co-prosperity sphere.
After wwi Japan's militarism subside a bit. Japan maintains better relations with Great Britain and France. France agrees to sell Indochina to Japan in 1924 after the French economy collapses unable to keep up with payments to Germany. Japan aids the Philippines in resistance. The US is more resistant to independence and as a result the Philippines fights for it eventually reaching an agreement and independence in 1926 with the US withdrawing militarily entirely. The Philippines and Japan become allies and when the Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere is formed the Philippines become a member.
Great Britain and France begin to become worried about Japanese militarism with the Japanese sphere of influence drawing ever closer to their own. However, the victory of Communists in India and Northern China worry the allies more.
In 1959 Japan tests its first nuclear weapon in Northern Manchuria.
By 1965 Japan has arguably the most powerful navy in the world with state of the art ships itching for war.
People's Republic of India
Britain is able to exit WWI mostly unscathed. Their colonial empire intact, with Germany unable to enforce any serious demands against them. However, the empire finds itself in massive debt and its manpower defeated.
After the Soviet success in Xinjiang and Mongolia. The Soviets turn their attention to Persia and to India. Hoping to establish friendly communist governments and to remove the threat of the possible hostile British to their South. Soviets offer their support to socialists and communists in India. The movement grows eventually leading to unrest and protests in the late 1930s. The Raj and Britain crack down hard. Killing thousands of protestors. Eventually the situation becomes untenable and India erupts in total Civil war. And by 1949 victory is won. However while the Soviet Union is able to fairly successfully establish a powerful and centralized multi-national state, the situation in India is tenuous. Only by constant aid by Moscow is India able to hold onto the Muslim majority regions of the nation. In 1957 Moscow gives nuclear weapons and plans to the PRI. While all other nuclear powers acquire their weapons as a deterrent to foreign powers, India's greatest threat is itself. It is believed that the primary role of the arsenal is as a deterrent against internal rebellion.
By 1965 India is on the verge of collapse and the cost to Moscow trying to hold it together is nearing the point of being too costly to bear.
In Africa the European colonizers desperately try to cling to control. Beginning in 1930 by the defeat of Italy by Ethiopia. Whether at gunpoint or by negotiation decolonization in Africa is happening.
I really like this map and its concept! Could somebody convert this into a WorldA map maybe?
I think that Ellesmere Island/Baffin Island/OTL Nunavut would become one of the most important trade hubs ITTL... likely already from the times of Ancient Egypt or the Phoenicians.
*Nunavut could of course also be where proxy wars (e.g. between Rome and Carthage?) are fought out.
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Ottoman Empire - Triumphs of the Great Eagle
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From the frontiers of Abha to the sprawls of Rome, the land of the east and west converged under the triumphs of Mehmed. With ambitions rivalling Alexander’s and merit worthy of Caesar’s praise, his escapades, which stretches from the desert mountains of Hejaz to the plains of Southern Italy, bore name into the epics of history; cherished and exalted until their very last breath.
The first of his triumphs can be witnessed in 1453 when the last of the Byzantines made their final stand during the Siege of Constantinople. Marching with armies of the two lands and wielding cannons forged from the greatest of iron cast, he laid waste against the feeble garrison of the Theodosian Walls and led his legions into the depths of the Golden Horn. And when his victory was absolute, he set his warriors free to plunder, reaping everything in their path for the reward of loot. But it wasn’t until the third day when he put his army to a halt and pleaded for the refugees to return home, eventually proclaiming the restoration of the capital to its greatest epoch. His siege against the last bastion of Byzantine civilisation earned him the title of Ghazi Sultan, legitimizing his conquest for years to come.
When he settled with the remaining Greek Despotates and Beylik of Karaman, he set his sights against the remaining kingdoms of the Balkans. The Great Eagle faced foes rivalling his stature: From Vlad of Wallachia, Stephan of Moldova, and the Lord of Albania - Skanderberg. All contributed to the histories of Mehmed, relishing his epics with the duel of the greats. Despite their prowess and vigour, all failed to vanquish the sultan and were brought into ruin. He delivered his final blow against the Balkans during the Fourth Siege of Krujë, when the Lord of Albania fought to his last when his castle was breached. By the time of his fall, Albania and the kingdoms of the neighbouring Danube had fallen to his hands, becoming a grander part of his glorious dominion.
Despite being the Lord of the Two Lands and Two Seas, his aspirations for conquest were unyielding. In his path to becoming the greatest of Caesars, he personally led the capture of Otranto with 150 ships and 20,000 men and secured a vast swarth that stretches to Bari. Witnessing a crisis that threatens the heart of Christendom, Pope Sixtus pleads for another crusade against the Turkish horde. However, few have come to their aid: While Aragon and Naples heeded his call, Hungary and France were eventually reluctant to join them. In consequence, Ferdinand of Naples faced the Ottomans alone during the Battle of Caserta in 1487, and by the time the Aragonese crossed the Strait of Messina, they later realize that his army was decimated during their crossing of the Volturno River. Too feeble to defend themselves and dried their coffers to finance the futile crusade, the Holy See left the seat of Rome to Mehmed and seek refuge in Avignon, which Louis XII embraced with open arms. In turn, he converted the Roman Parthenon into a mosque and installed his pope rivalling one of the Holy See, delivering another blow against the realm of Christendom.
However, not all of his deeds are that of fire and steel, as his trade for diplomacy are just as magnificent as his skills in war. Venice’s peace with the Ottomans have rewarded them greatly: They were allowed to retain their holdings across the Mediterranean, receive exclusive trading rights over importing spice, and even be rewarded with Odessa after completing his commission of 100 ships. The remaining Italian states follow suit: Pisa and Florence sent extravagant envoys to the Sublime Porte to court favours from the Caesar of Rome; attempting to enamour him the regals of fine art and tributes in return for the same privilege the Venetians have received. As a result of these growing ties, many artisans and scholars eventually flock to Constantinople to receive his patronage and fill the local galleries with art and literature. And his ties with the Venetians also enabled a small Muslim presence to grow within their capital, eventually leading to the construction of the first mosque in the region.
With his ambitions over Europe sated, he set his sights south to monopolize the spice trade and claim the title of Caliph. However, Dulkadir and Ramadanid present themselves as stumbling blocks to his conquest, who pledge their allegiance to the Mamluk Sultan - Qaitbay, during his campaign in Italy. Refusing to submit what he considers to be the reunification of the Ummah, he marched with his army to overthrow the last remaining Beyliks. The swift conquest has provoked the Mamluks into assembling 55,000 levies and 7,500 cavalries, a meagre force compared to the bloodied and experienced corps of 85,000 men. They clashed in the Orontes River in 1495, which resulted in one of Mehmed’s most triumphant battles. Qaitbay met his end two years later when the Sultan reached Cairo, which resulted in his exile to the shores of Morea. Most importantly, Al-Mutawakkil II - the last Abbasid Caliph, relinquished his title to the sultan. Conquering a massive swath of land once ruled by the Caesars and the Rightly Guided Caliphs, Mehmed legitimized his empire as both the continuation of Roman civilization and leader of the Ummah.
He eventually settled his expansionist aspirations to tackle domestic affairs. He disputed the local Qizilbash order that once looked upon the growing Safavid Empire and their new Shah - Ismail II. Both clashed in the fields of Diyakabir in 1507, in which he routed their rather large army with the power of cannons and muskets. He oversees the construction of many architectural legacies such as the Fatih Mosque, Topkapı Palace, and a massive bridge connecting the Golden Horn to its neighbouring Galata. His reforms included the centralization of the empire’s bureaucracy and the institutionalization of many diplomatic cores to deal with European affairs.
However, despite being reinvigorated, seeking to expand westward to the farthest reaches of Morocco and explore the rumours of mythical lands discovered by the Castilians, he eventually met his end. Mehmed II - Caesar of Rome and Caliph of Islam, passed away in 1511. The news of this event was frolicked by Christendom, viewing it as the intervention from God himself. However, neighbouring sultanates mourned the death of their fellow Ghazi, with even Shah Ismail sending a eulogy to commemorate his deeds. Regardless, he was succeeded by his great-grandson, who eventually proved himself as one of Mehmed’s greatest legacy to this world - Suleiman I.
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Is Canberra supposed to still be in Australia (Nyunga)?A very different east, or Australia and China swapped
One hopes their relative populations are swapped too, unless the Outback is now some fertile breadbasket...A very different east, or Australia and China swapped
Doesn't "Nyunga" just mean "human"?A very different east, or Australia and China swapped
Idk if anyone has mentioned this yet, but this unintentionally looks incredibly like Venezuela
EDIT: Whoops, quoted the wrong post! @Yanranay
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