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In the final days of the American Civil War, the states of Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina saw that the war was beginning to go south (literally) and recalled their troops from the North, much to centralized Confederate chagrin. Unexpectedly, an eleventh hour push into Washington DC succeeded in capturing Lincoln, and under pain of death forced him to sign a rather generous peace treaty.

Because of the distrust, regionalism expanded massively. Each state tried to expand the provisions of the Articles of Confederation to the utter most amount plausible and then some, to ensure that wars between the states. State militias and governments became more important than the national government. Soon, the president in Montgomery was just a figurehead, normally a representative of a powerful southern family.

Thus, the Warring State period began.

The CSA eventually polarized between states lead by Georgia, who had abandoned slavery for mass industrialization, and Texas, who soon began to enslave Native Americans and even some poor Whites as the need for efficiency increased. Even then, states switched allegiance between them, though the current war in South Carolina began to show that it was necessary to chose one group.

The CSA united once, to defeat a second Union invasion in 1875. The Union was defeated again, with help from Europe, but strongly Unionist states revolted and formed their own governance in Tennessee.

And thus, the Confederate states lie internally shattered like a broken plate, each piece fighting against the other for dominance. However, in 1885, a certain North Carolinian politician would find himself in power, and through political mechanizations in America and in Europe, slowly began the processes that would unite the Confederacy and lead the CSA into the 19th century.

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(I'm not proud of this write up, if this gets a lot of love, I will come back to it. Feel free to use any of my ideas, as long as you give a one line credit towards me)
 
Unexpectedly, an eleventh hour push into Washington DC succeeded in capturing Lincoln, and under pain of death forced him to sign a rather generous peace treaty.

Capture the US president and make him sign a treaty under duress that the rest of the country and government is somehow forced to follow along with? Why does that sound familiar?

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Ah, yes. :openedeyewink:
 
Not to sound like a tankie, but is this part of the ATL? Because IOTL that was definitely not true...

Well, considering that their leader, Iosef Stalin, killed around 20 million (pre-WW2) of them, I figured it would be safe to say that a lot of Russians (at least 20 million ;)) didn't like Soviet rule. Furthermore, living conditions were horrific- the same, if not worse, than under the Tsar. Also, as this ATL has a Reich that isn't planning on exterminating all the Russians, rather, incorporating them into the Reich. Considering the higher standard of living within the Reich, I feel that the Russians wouldn't protest too much (aside, of course, from the staunch communists). Lastly, the Ukrainians within Russia were extremely dissatisfied with the communist rule, as they in particular suffered. Even OTL, they were overjoyed to be 'liberated' by the Nazis, though the Nazis responded by dispossessing them of their land. In this ATL, the Germans aren't quite so cruel and manage to gain a crucial ally as a result.
 
SENGOKU CONFEDERATA
The CSA eventually polarized between states lead by Georgia, who had abandoned slavery for mass industrialization, and Texas, who soon began to enslave Native Americans and even some poor Whites as the need for efficiency increased. Even then, states switched allegiance between them, though the current war in South Carolina began to show that it was necessary to chose one group.

I don't believe that Texas would be able to enslave whites or Native Americans. The Native Americans actually joined (or at least supported) the confederacy because they themselves practiced slavery. Additionally, even though poor whites were sometimes considered to be worth less than slaves (see: Irish), I doubt that any Southerners would ever seriously consider enslaving whites simply because it would be damaging to the whole ideology of white supremacy. I could be wrong, though, there were whites (again, see: Irish) who were considered less valuable than slaves. It may have been possible for their enslavement, though even that would be a stretch.
 
Well, considering that their leader, Iosef Stalin, killed around 20 million (pre-WW2) of them, I figured it would be safe to say that a lot of Russians (at least 20 million ;)) didn't like Soviet rule. Furthermore, living conditions were horrific- the same, if not worse, than under the Tsar. Also, as this ATL has a Reich that isn't planning on exterminating all the Russians, rather, incorporating them into the Reich. Considering the higher standard of living within the Reich, I feel that the Russians wouldn't protest too much (aside, of course, from the staunch communists). Lastly, the Ukrainians within Russia were extremely dissatisfied with the communist rule, as they in particular suffered. Even OTL, they were overjoyed to be 'liberated' by the Nazis, though the Nazis responded by dispossessing them of their land. In this ATL, the Germans aren't quite so cruel and manage to gain a crucial ally as a result.
Much of Russia was staunchly communist, though. When socialism brings your quality of life from pseudo-feudal serfdom to modern levels in your lifetime you'd probably like it too. Not that Stalin was nice or anything, but to most of the population they just saw the government as the institution that gave them tractors for the first time last decade... The Russian Revolution was a mass popular movement, after all.
 

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SENGOKU CONFEDERATA

In the final days of the American Civil War, the states of Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina saw that the war was beginning to go south (literally) and recalled their troops from the North, much to centralized Confederate chagrin. Unexpectedly, an eleventh hour push into Washington DC succeeded in capturing Lincoln, and under pain of death forced him to sign a rather generous peace treaty.

Because of the distrust, regionalism expanded massively. Each state tried to expand the provisions of the Articles of Confederation to the utter most amount plausible and then some, to ensure that wars between the states. State militias and governments became more important than the national government. Soon, the president in Montgomery was just a figurehead, normally a representative of a powerful southern family.

Thus, the Warring State period began.

The CSA eventually polarized between states lead by Georgia, who had abandoned slavery for mass industrialization, and Texas, who soon began to enslave Native Americans and even some poor Whites as the need for efficiency increased. Even then, states switched allegiance between them, though the current war in South Carolina began to show that it was necessary to chose one group.

The CSA united once, to defeat a second Union invasion in 1875. The Union was defeated again, with help from Europe, but strongly Unionist states revolted and formed their own governance in Tennessee.

And thus, the Confederate states lie internally shattered like a broken plate, each piece fighting against the other for dominance. However, in 1885, a certain North Carolinian politician would find himself in power, and through political mechanizations in America and in Europe, slowly began the processes that would unite the Confederacy and lead the CSA into the 19th century.

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(I'm not proud of this write up, if this gets a lot of love, I will come back to it. Feel free to use any of my ideas, as long as you give a one line credit towards me)

I am not sure that is the correct flag for the Confederate States. Wasn't that a Virginian flag or something ?
 
Ol' wandering leg

Oddly enough, Mexico failed to recognize the independence of Texas: it was like they didn't think the promises of a captured official under duress counted or something. :biggrin:

I have far too many WIP. I think I shall have to toss most of them on a pile and burn them.

Map in progress for a bioshock themed scenario on rvbomally's One Shots thread.

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Capture the US president and make him sign a treaty under duress that the rest of the country and government is somehow forced to follow along with? Why does that sound familiar?

wild-wild-west-kenneth-branagh.jpg


Ah, yes. :openedeyewink:

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I don't believe that Texas would be able to enslave whites or Native Americans. The Native Americans actually joined (or at least supported) the confederacy because they themselves practiced slavery. Additionally, even though poor whites were sometimes considered to be worth less than slaves (see: Irish), I doubt that any Southerners would ever seriously consider enslaving whites simply because it would be damaging to the whole ideology of white supremacy. I could be wrong, though, there were whites (again, see: Irish) who were considered less valuable than slaves. It may have been possible for their enslavement, though even that would be a stretch.

Trust me, it wasn't their first choice. It was sheerly a matter of desperation as they ran out of Native Americans and Blacks. Probably what happened was a radically Reformist faction of the sbc took over and then they declared all "unpredestined" to be less than human, so catholics and simply non SBC (and even then) were on the chopping ng block.

I am not sure that is the correct flag for the Confederate States. Wasn't that a Virginian flag or something ?

Its the Naval Jack; i picked it cuz it was instantly recognizable as confederate
 
Capture the US president and make him sign a treaty under duress that the rest of the country and government is somehow forced to follow along with? Why does that sound familiar?

wild-wild-west-kenneth-branagh.jpg


Ah, yes. :openedeyewink:

I admit, I still like the movie just as I did as a kid, just so long as you don't take it seriously.
 
I admit, I still like the movie just as I did as a kid, just so long as you don't take it seriously.

I'm sure it would make a great alternate history scenario. While the giant spider might prove too inefficient for combat in the Great War, it would be interesting to see that conflict fought with tanks at the outset.
 
I'm sure it would make a great alternate history scenario. While the giant spider might prove too inefficient for combat in the Great War, it would be interesting to see that conflict fought with tanks at the outset.

Fuck AK-47s, Rivington should have brought Olifants and went for the kill. :p
 
Just something I've been working on. The context is that the SDAP won the Austrian Civil War and ended up creating a "Danubian Entente" with Czechoslovakia.
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Would love to hear comments. I'm by no means a military strategist, so I apologize if the troop movements look wonky.

That actually reminds me of one Czech AH book (well, "one", it consists of three enormous books) called Frogs in Milk. Basically it considers under what circumstances Czechoslovakia could have held out against Germany and even successfully launched a counteroffensive.
 
I'm sure it would make a great alternate history scenario. While the giant spider might prove too inefficient for combat in the Great War, it would be interesting to see that conflict fought with tanks at the outset.
The spider wouldn't be helpful of its own merit; it would probably step in a trench, fall over, and destroy itself pretty quickly actually. But if it avoided that it could be an effective psychological weapon, because God knows a giant metal spider is scary as hell.
 
The spider wouldn't be helpful of its own merit; it would probably step in a trench, fall over, and destroy itself pretty quickly actually. But if it avoided that it could be an effective psychological weapon, because God knows a giant metal spider is scary as hell.

It would go down to field guns rather quickly, possibly before it even gets the opportunity to attack the enemy. It might give rise to smaller forms of legged locomotion; steampunk AT-STs?
 
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