There's also the issue of "what do the people who matter in that TL consider these languages to be?". With the right POD, Portuguese could be considered a strange dialect or dialects of Spanish, whilst Austro-Bavarian could be considered distinct from German.
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There's also the issue of "what do the people who matter in that TL consider these languages to be?". With the right POD, Portuguese could be considered a strange dialect or dialects of Spanish, whilst Austro-Bavarian could be considered distinct from German.
@Mario yet they weren´t able to stop Turkish invasion in Europe or take Jerusalem (maybe crusades, or crusades as we know them, weren´t thing in this TL?)
Also, steppe Rus and forest/swamp Mongolia seems weird a bit - or is all of east Mongolian and Kiev is just its province/vassal?
Nonetheless cool map
Also, steppe Rus and forest/swamp Mongolia seems weird a bit - or is all of east Mongolian and Kiev is just its province/vassal?
Nonetheless cool map
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Sorry never tell a portuguese that his language is a dialect of Spanish. We are as distinct and separate as French is from Italian. Hear US. We are not snd never will be Spanish. Nothing gets a portuguese upset like a ignorant comment like that. Please don’t repeat it.
There's no such thing as "Occidental French". Occitan is an entirely different language that happens to also be spoken in France. Sure, they're both Gallo-Romance languages, but Spanish and Portuguese are both Ibero-Romance languages.
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Again portuguese is not a dialect. Keep comments like that out if this. Portuguese is dusntict as French is distinct from Italian.
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But they are not same. Just like Italian is different than Spanish or Romanian.
I not putting you down and calling your culture down so don’t tell Portuguese they Spanish.
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Safe to say, a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. In this case however, it is marginal and unpopular to say Spanish and Portuguese are the same language.
Now the languages intermediate in the Ibero-Romance languistic continuum though... Galicia, Astur-Leonese, etc are sometimes seen as dialects of Portuguese or Spanish.
@Lusitania while you are definitely correct in view of IRL but Alternate Timelines might have different views on it.
I never said they were the same language, just that they're in the same grouping (Ibero-Romance, specifically West Iberian). And I don't think anyone here is arguing that they're the same language. Any actual linguist in any TL who looks objectively at Spanish and Portuguese would tell you that they're two different languages. However, it's conceivable that in a TL where Portugal is part of a unified Iberian state dominated by Castillians, ignorant people motivated by nationalism would declare Portuguese to be a dialect of Spanish, just like French and Italian nationalists might refer to minority languages in their countries as dialects. These people would be wrong, but it's still likely that they'd exist.
Could you point me to where I told Portuguese people they're Spanish?
I think you mean Welsh. Which is not even closely related to English, at least Spanish-Portuguese are both Romance languages.
Irish and Welsh are not Germanic which English is.
There is also no language called Scottish. There is Scottish Gaelic (non Germanic) and Scots (actually pretty close the English and yes sure, not a dialect of English).
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The comment was sent as reply to you by mistake instead of being posted as independent comment. For that I apologize.
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Yes I was taking aim at general comment of Portuguese or Spanish bring a dialect of each other. They are not they are as distinct from each other as French is from Italian. May have some similarities but two complete separate languages. END OF STORY.
Well Scots and English might be as distinct from each other as French and Italian but Welsh (or Irish or Scottish Gaelic) is as distinct from English as French is distinct from Czech.
Point of Order: While Gàidhlig is very much a non-English language, there is still a lot of argument over where Scots begins and Scottish English ends.
That said, I think it is non controversial to say that portuguesa and castellano are noticeably more closely related to one another than either are to català. (which in turn is more akin to lenga d'òc than any of the preceding are to français). Agreed?
Literally no one said this though. You're arguing with a straw man.
If you read the post that you're replying to, then you'll see that the term dialect is used in reference to Occitan.
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