Map Thread XIII

[The Uchronian]

*snip*

Interesting map at the top, but I'm afraid there are a few significant implausibilities here:

For one, why would, or how could, really, Western Antarctica suddenly be home to bunches of high-rise cities? 4*C of warming would be bad, but Antarctica would still be extremely cold.

And, also, how would the Sahara Desert be able to jump the Mediterranean? This also makes little if any sense-Southern Europe could potentially be significantly drier, but I seriously doubt genuine desert would be able to develop in most areas-the same also goes for Japan and most of the Southern U.S., too.

 

[Minchandre]

I'm cross-posting from my "The ASB" thread because this is my first new state map in a while for that world.

Very nice.

What's the status of the Indian counties, and in particular of the Praying Towns?

 

[False Dmitri]

Very nice.

What's the status of the Indian counties, and in particular of the Praying Towns?

In many ways, no different from the other townships. They have elections and town meetings, they vote for state officials, and state laws apply to them. They enjoy some constitutional protections that other towns don't: for example, it is really difficult for land to be taken from them, though a look at their small size shows that this has happened multiple times. They also have a certain degree of legal distinctiveness. Property law works different there; the bulk of the land is common rather than privately owned. There is also a body of case law unique to the Praying Towns, much of it in native languages... I don't know enough about law to elaborate beyond that. They have a legal mandate to preserve and promote Indian culture, but there are no ethnic barriers per se; you or I could freely move into a Praying Town without legal restriction, but we probably couldn't buy land.

 

[Minchandre]

In many ways, no different from the other townships. They have elections and town meetings, they vote for state officials, and state laws apply to them. They enjoy some constitutional protections that other towns don't: for example, it is really difficult for land to be taken from them, though a look at their small size shows that this has happened multiple times. They also have a certain degree of legal distinctiveness. Property law works different there; the bulk of the land is common rather than privately owned. There is also a body of case law unique to the Praying Towns, much of it in native languages... I don't know enough about law to elaborate beyond that. They have a legal mandate to preserve and promote Indian culture, but there are no ethnic barriers per se; you or I could freely move into a Praying Town without legal restriction, but we probably couldn't buy land.

Could I pasture cattle on public fields? What about putting some public land under plow and then selling the fruits?

Also: so are the Praying Towns then more similar to Indian townships, or "white"/"Christian" townships?

 

[Lowtuff]

[RUNES, TRANSLATED]
SENT FROM Scribe-Elder Within FenraNahalKourounaya [Scholarly Place of Fenranahal]

"All our maps combined, they make this. It was requested by man-of-import, but to what end?
It is said 'to look on the face of the earth is to be that-of-god.'
Please copy and distribute to Scholarly Places"

 

[B_Munro]

Global warming means some places will be wetter, others drier, and in all places less predictable: we are in a dynamic, changing situation, and a looong way from the end-state of global warming. Sure, the planet may be wetter as a _whole_ in the in the year 3000 (and of course we might just climate-engineer it back in the year 2200 or whatever), but that doesn't mean it will be wetter _everywhere_, and of course lots of areas will be screwed over climate wise one way or another during the interim. Pretty much every assessment of likely effects over the next couple centuries says that drought is going to be a major concern, probably more directly damaging than rising sea levels for quite a while to come.

 

[metastasis_d]

Global warming means some places will be wetter, others drier, and in all places less predictable: we are in a dynamic, changing situation, and a looong way from the end-state of global warming. Sure, the planet may be wetter as a _whole_ in the in the year 3000 (and of course we might just climate-engineer it back in the year 2200 or whatever), but that doesn't mean it will be wetter _everywhere_, and of course lots of areas will be screwed over climate wise one way or another during the interim. Pretty much every assessment of likely effects over the next couple centuries says that drought is going to be a major concern, probably more directly damaging than rising sea levels for quite a while to come.

Plus biodiversity will take a very very long time to bounce back. Geological timeframes.

 

[DPKdebator]

A representation of my Ottoman Empire in EU4, as of 1609. Almost all of the Empire is Sunni Muslim, except for St. Gallen (which is a Reformed Center of Reformation, and has a very annoying -.4% progress rate) and most of Hungary. Both Austria and Hungary are absolutely ruined, with Austria controlling western Switzerland and a strip of Bavaria, and Hungary controlling Slovakia and southern Silesia. I'd like to expand into Italy more, but every independent Italian country besides Naples (you're next... ) is allied with just about every major power on the continent, and unless I had a really large army, chances are I'd be destroyed.

 

[Anekcahdep]

A Map a made of what if countries switched places with territories of similar population​

Afghanistan=North east Maharashtra
Albania=Kansas
Algeria=California
Andorra=Gotland
Angola=Haryana
Antigua and Barbuda=Isle of Man
Argentina=Ukraine
Armenia=Arkansas
Australia=Nepal
Austria=Central Guangxi
Azerbaijan=Hong Kong and Macau​

Bahamas, The=Brunei
Bahrain=Hawaii
Bangladesh=Western Russia, Low Countries, Belarus, Finland
Barbados=Southern Sikkim
Belarus=Tajikistan
Belgium=South West Bihar
Belize=Northern Bhutan
Benin=Papua New Guinea
Bhutan=North Dakota
Bolivia=Far South Maharashtra
Bosnia and Herzegovina=Western Rajasthan
Botswana=Tamaulipas
Brazil=Uttar Pradesh
Brunei=Malta
Bulgaria=Saint Petersburg
Burkina Faso=North east Rajasthan
Burma=Balkans
Burundi=Tibet​

Cambodia=Czechoslovakia
Cameroon=Yucatan, Guatemala
Canada=The Caribbean
Cape Verde=Southern San Luis
Central African Republic=Alabama
Chad=North West Bihar
Chile=South Central Rajasthan
China=Africa, Middle East
Colombia=Andhra Pradesh
Comoros=Baja California Sur
Congo, Democratic Republic of the=Madhya Pradesh
Congo, Republic of the=Ireland
Costa Rica=South Carolina
Cote d'Ivoire=Scandinavian Peninsula
Croatia=Oaxaca
Cuba=North East Bihar
Cyprus=South Dakota
Czech Republic=Central Odisha​

Denmark=Singapore
Djibouti=Delaware
Dominica=Guernsey
Dominican Republic=South Odisha​

East Timor=New Hampshire​

Ecuador=South Luzon
Egypt=Western Bengal​

Ethiopia=Vietnam
Equatorial Guinea=North West San Luis
Eritrea=Guanajuato
Estonia=West Central Bihar​

Fiji=Cyprus
Finland=Hokkaido
France=Sumatra​

Gabon=Idaho
Gambia, The=Nebraska
Georgia=South West Guangxi
Germany=Sichuan
Ghana=Texas
Greece=South Central Philippines
Grenada=Eastern Iceland
Guatemala=South West Bihar
Guinea=Lesser Sunda Islands
Guinea-Bissau=Western Sonora
Guyana=Alaska​

Haiti=Uttarakhand
Holy See=Saint Helena
Honduras=North Central Guangxi
Hungary=North Carolina​

Iceland=Northern Sikkim
India=Siberia, China, Koreas, and Japan
Indonesia=Western Europe
Iran=Seven Sister States of India
Iraq=Poland
Ireland=Louisiana
Israel=Virginia
Italy=Gujarat​

Jamaica=Nevada
Japan=Northern South America, Central America
Jordan=Jalisco​

Kazakhstan=West Central Rajasthan
Kenya=Yunnan
Kiribati=North Marina Islands
Korea, North=Northern Maharashtra
Korea, South=Sindh
Kosovo=West Virginia
Kuwait=Oceania
Kyrgyzstan=Maryland​

Laos=Northern Borneo
Latvia=Northern Coahuila
Lebanon=Oregon
Lesotho=Southern Coahuila
Liberia=Kentucky
Libya=Tennessee
Liechtenstein=Bermuda
Lithuania=Mississippi
Luxembourg=Wyoming
Macedonia=New Mexico
Madagascar=Uyghuristan
Malawi=Sulawesi
Malaysia=Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana
Maldives=Southern Bhutan
Mali=South East Rajasthan
Malta=South East San Luis
Marshall Islands=Greenland
Mauritania=Chihuahua
Mauritius=Eastern Sonora
Mexico=Guangdong
Micronesia=Western Azores
Moldova=Utah
Monaco=Liechtenstein
Mongolia=Iowa
Montenegro=Vermont
Morocco=Guizhou
Mozambique=West central Maharashtra​

Namibia=Baja California
Nauru=Falklands
Nepal=Australia
Netherlands=New Delhi
New Zealand=Nuevo Leon
Nicaragua=Missouri
Niger=Peninsular Malaysia
Nigeria=Greater Iran
Norway=Chiapas​

Oman=New Zealand​

Pakistan=Southern India
Palau=Aland
Panama=Oklahoma
Papua New Guinea=South East Guangxi
Paraguay=Washington State
Peru=North Luzon
Philippines=South Bangladesh
Poland=Canada
Portugal=Far South Odisha​

Qatar=Islamabad​

Romania=Michigan and Ohio
Russia=Java
Rwanda=Central Bihar​

Saint Kitts and Nevis=Samoa
Saint Lucia=Guam
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines=South West Bhutan
Samoa=Western Iceland
San Marino=Chutkotka
Sao Tome and Principe=South West San Luis
Saudi Arabia=Jharkhand
Senegal=South East Bihar
Serbia=Hainan
Seychelles=Jersey
Sierra Leone=Arizona
Singapore=Kyrgyzstan
Sint Maarten
Slovakia=Colorado
Slovenia=Sinaloa
Solomon Islands=Washington DC
Somalia=Northern Odisha
South Africa=Central Asia
South Sudan=North Central Bihar
Spain =Burma
Sri Lanka=Mindanao
Sudan=Chhattisgarh
Suriname=Central North San Luis
Swaziland=Montana
Sweden=Veracruz
Switzerland=North west Guangxi
Syria=Laos and Cambodia​

Taiwan=North Central Philippines
Tajikistan=North east Guangxi
Tanzania=New York, Southern New England, New Jersey, Pennsylvania
Thailand=UK
Timor-Leste
Togo=Eastern Kalimantan
Tonga=Eastern Azores
Trinidad and Tobago=Maine
Tunisia=Jammu and Kashmir
Turkey=Germany
Turkmenistan=West Kalimantan
Tuvalu=Saint Pierre

Uganda=North West Bangladesh
Ukraine=South Central Mexico
United Arab Emirates=European Turkey
United Kingdom=Thailand​

USA=South America
Uruguay=Central Kalimantan
Uzbekistan=Georgia, Florida​

Vanuatu=Maldives
Venezuela=Indian Punjab
Vietnam=Pakistani Punjab​

Yemen=South East Maharashtra​

Zambia=West Central Bihar
Zimbabwe=Delta Burma​

 

[Troyer IV]

Um... what?

 

[False Dmitri]

Also: so are the Praying Towns then more similar to Indian townships, or "white"/"Christian" townships?

I'll answer this question first, since it's much bigger. First, "Praying" is a very antiquated name for them. Religion ceased to be their main reason for being centuries ago; the old name has stuck around because no one could think of a better name, or possibly because no one cared to. But they were founded as mission settlements for Indians. In OTL, the Praying Indians were allowed to stay in the state, while hostile Indians were driven away... but eventually the Praying Indians mostly died off and/or lost their land and autonomy. In TTL these 17th-century communities survived and adapted to the modern world.

I forgot that I did not post the text in this thread; you can find it at the bottom of the original post.

But basically, the premise of this world is that races and cultures interacted in very different ways from OTL. The hard lines between White and Indian, this is the State and on that line is the Tribe, did not develop; instead, some of the earlier patterns of mutual accommodation persisted. You might call it an overly optimistic picture, but that's why I chose to call it "The ASB."

So the Praying Towns are not really like reservations of OTL. Yes, they they involved resettlement and cultural domination of Indians by English, but more than that they were in invitation to Indians to join the political order of New England. They did not cease to be Indian, but they were expected to govern themselves like the other Massachusetts towns. Their survival depended on a rather high toleration for cultural pluralism for Puritan New England... which is why I suppose they didn't last. In TTL they did, and they kept their Indian identity, even their tribal identities to a certain extent, despite big demographic changes. Many citizens of the Praying Towns today might identify as Indian but have very little Indian blood in them. Indigenous languages are propped up through years of being taught in the local schools, but they're definitely under threat.

Could I pasture cattle on public fields? What about putting some public land under plow and then selling the fruits?

Yes you certainly could, within the laws and procedures that regulate that sort of thing. Keep in mind that while most of the Praying Towns are in rural areas, they are still part of the modern world, with the relatively small agricultural workforce that comes with that.

 

[Petros >Peter Fergus<]

Jaredia's Europe?

 

[Lowtuff]

Jaredia's Europe?

Right in one! We've been getting a lot of worldbuilding done for a Jaredian humanity in this map game, of which that map is part.

 

[Hominid]

A Map a made of what if countries switched places with territories of similar population​

Afghanistan=North east Maharashtra
Albania=Kansas
Algeria=California
Andorra=Gotland
Angola=Haryana
Antigua and Barbuda=Isle of Man
Argentina=Ukraine
Armenia=Arkansas
Australia=Nepal
Austria=Central Guangxi
Azerbaijan=Hong Kong and Macau​

Bahamas, The=Brunei
Bahrain=Hawaii
Bangladesh=Western Russia, Low Countries, Belarus, Finland
Barbados=Southern Sikkim
Belarus=Tajikistan
Belgium=South West Bihar
Belize=Northern Bhutan
Benin=Papua New Guinea
Bhutan=North Dakota
Bolivia=Far South Maharashtra
Bosnia and Herzegovina=Western Rajasthan
Botswana=Tamaulipas
Brazil=Uttar Pradesh
Brunei=Malta
Bulgaria=Saint Petersburg
Burkina Faso=North east Rajasthan
Burma=Balkans
Burundi=Tibet​

Cambodia=Czechoslovakia
Cameroon=Yucatan, Guatemala
Canada=The Caribbean
Cape Verde=Southern San Luis
Central African Republic=Alabama
Chad=North West Bihar
Chile=South Central Rajasthan
China=Africa, Middle East
Colombia=Andhra Pradesh
Comoros=Baja California Sur
Congo, Democratic Republic of the=Madhya Pradesh
Congo, Republic of the=Ireland
Costa Rica=South Carolina
Cote d'Ivoire=Scandinavian Peninsula
Croatia=Oaxaca
Cuba=North East Bihar
Cyprus=South Dakota
Czech Republic=Central Odisha​

Denmark=Singapore
Djibouti=Delaware
Dominica=Guernsey
Dominican Republic=South Odisha​

East Timor=New Hampshire​

Ecuador=South Luzon
Egypt=Western Bengal​

Ethiopia=Vietnam
Equatorial Guinea=North West San Luis
Eritrea=Guanajuato
Estonia=West Central Bihar​

Fiji=Cyprus
Finland=Hokkaido
France=Sumatra​

Gabon=Idaho
Gambia, The=Nebraska
Georgia=South West Guangxi
Germany=Sichuan
Ghana=Texas
Greece=South Central Philippines
Grenada=Eastern Iceland
Guatemala=South West Bihar
Guinea=Lesser Sunda Islands
Guinea-Bissau=Western Sonora
Guyana=Alaska​

Haiti=Uttarakhand
Holy See=Saint Helena
Honduras=North Central Guangxi
Hungary=North Carolina​

Iceland=Northern Sikkim
India=Siberia, China, Koreas, and Japan
Indonesia=Western Europe
Iran=Seven Sister States of India
Iraq=Poland
Ireland=Louisiana
Israel=Virginia
Italy=Gujarat​

Jamaica=Nevada
Japan=Northern South America, Central America
Jordan=Jalisco​

Kazakhstan=West Central Rajasthan
Kenya=Yunnan
Kiribati=North Marina Islands
Korea, North=Northern Maharashtra
Korea, South=Sindh
Kosovo=West Virginia
Kuwait=Oceania
Kyrgyzstan=Maryland​

Laos=Northern Borneo
Latvia=Northern Coahuila
Lebanon=Oregon
Lesotho=Southern Coahuila
Liberia=Kentucky
Libya=Tennessee
Liechtenstein=Bermuda
Lithuania=Mississippi
Luxembourg=Wyoming
Macedonia=New Mexico
Madagascar=Uyghuristan
Malawi=Sulawesi
Malaysia=Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana
Maldives=Southern Bhutan
Mali=South East Rajasthan
Malta=South East San Luis
Marshall Islands=Greenland
Mauritania=Chihuahua
Mauritius=Eastern Sonora
Mexico=Guangdong
Micronesia=Western Azores
Moldova=Utah
Monaco=Liechtenstein
Mongolia=Iowa
Montenegro=Vermont
Morocco=Guizhou
Mozambique=West central Maharashtra​

Namibia=Baja California
Nauru=Falklands
Nepal=Australia
Netherlands=New Delhi
New Zealand=Nuevo Leon
Nicaragua=Missouri
Niger=Peninsular Malaysia
Nigeria=Greater Iran
Norway=Chiapas​

Oman=New Zealand​

Pakistan=Southern India
Palau=Aland
Panama=Oklahoma
Papua New Guinea=South East Guangxi
Paraguay=Washington State
Peru=North Luzon
Philippines=South Bangladesh
Poland=Canada
Portugal=Far South Odisha​

Qatar=Islamabad​

Romania=Michigan and Ohio
Russia=Java
Rwanda=Central Bihar​

Saint Kitts and Nevis=Samoa
Saint Lucia=Guam
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines=South West Bhutan
Samoa=Western Iceland
San Marino=Chutkotka
Sao Tome and Principe=South West San Luis
Saudi Arabia=Jharkhand
Senegal=South East Bihar
Serbia=Hainan
Seychelles=Jersey
Sierra Leone=Arizona
Singapore=Kyrgyzstan
Sint Maarten
Slovakia=Colorado
Slovenia=Sinaloa
Solomon Islands=Washington DC
Somalia=Northern Odisha
South Africa=Central Asia
South Sudan=North Central Bihar
Spain =Burma
Sri Lanka=Mindanao
Sudan=Chhattisgarh
Suriname=Central North San Luis
Swaziland=Montana
Sweden=Veracruz
Switzerland=North west Guangxi
Syria=Laos and Cambodia​

Taiwan=North Central Philippines
Tajikistan=North east Guangxi
Tanzania=New York, Southern New England, New Jersey, Pennsylvania
Thailand=UK
Timor-Leste
Togo=Eastern Kalimantan
Tonga=Eastern Azores
Trinidad and Tobago=Maine
Tunisia=Jammu and Kashmir
Turkey=Germany
Turkmenistan=West Kalimantan
Tuvalu=Saint Pierre

Uganda=North West Bangladesh
Ukraine=South Central Mexico
United Arab Emirates=European Turkey
United Kingdom=Thailand​

USA=South America
Uruguay=Central Kalimantan
Uzbekistan=Georgia, Florida​

Vanuatu=Maldives
Venezuela=Indian Punjab
Vietnam=Pakistani Punjab​

Yemen=South East Maharashtra​

Zambia=West Central Bihar
Zimbabwe=Delta Burma​

That's pretty impressive. Good job. I now live in Tanzania.

 

[Indicus]

snip

Cool. So now I live in the Caribbean. And I have Tunisian origin.

 

[Islander]

Watching Man In the High Castle and doodling, I imagine the independent pacific states being a truly mixed race state, and Canada being a major power with the A-bomb because of all of the English/French/American refugees fleeing the Reich, and the Reich tolerating its existence as a dump for trouble makers. The first map is set in 1964, then every 20 years. By 2004 every nation is a healthy democracy apart from the Reich, which is stuck in the Caribbean. Just a quick drawing so not thinking too hard about any sort of plausibility.

Might post a detailed story later.

 

[False Dmitri]

Watching Man In the High Castle and doodling, I imagine the independent pacific states being a truly mixed race state, and Canada being a major power with the A-bomb because of all of the English/French/American refugees fleeing the Reich, and the Reich tolerating its existence as a dump for trouble makers. The first map is set in 1964, then every 20 years. By 2004 every nation is a healthy democracy apart from the Reich, which is stuck in the Caribbean. Just a quick drawing so not thinking too hard about any sort of plausibility.

What are those little pockets in the midwest/northeast between US and Canadian territory?

 

[Anekcahdep]

Cool. So now I live in the Caribbean. And I have Tunisian origin.

That's pretty impressive. Good job. I now live in Tanzania.

Thanks! It actually wasn't that hard once I got the big countries out of the way.

 

[empty]

Watching Man In the High Castle and doodling, I imagine the independent pacific states being a truly mixed race state, and Canada being a major power with the A-bomb because of all of the English/French/American refugees fleeing the Reich, and the Reich tolerating its existence as a dump for trouble makers. The first map is set in 1964, then every 20 years. By 2004 every nation is a healthy democracy apart from the Reich, which is stuck in the Caribbean. Just a quick drawing so not thinking too hard about any sort of plausibility.

Might post a detailed story later.

Canadian backed rebellions in 1964? Is that canon? I thought that was around the time the book was set wasn't it?

 

[oshron]

Right in one! We've been getting a lot of worldbuilding done for a Jaredian humanity in this map game, of which that map is part.

i thought it looked a little like the Russian Far East