I know little about this time period; you're probably right. However, would you be able to explain why you think the map is so unrealistic? I'm interested.
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I know little about this time period; you're probably right. However, would you be able to explain why you think the map is so unrealistic? I'm interested.
I know little about this time period; you're probably right. However, would you be able to explain why you think the map is so unrealistic? I'm interested.
The entire Great Plains randomly being given over to become an African American state, for one thing. Were they really going to expend all that effort driving the Indians off their land only to give it away to the freedmen? No, if you're going to have a black state put it somewhere in the Deep South. It's not as though they seem to give much of a fuck about southern territorial integrity in this scenario anyway.
That migrating Kansas is very odd. Would a state of some sort there just be called Colorado, especially since the existing Kansas was formed in 1854 as a territory? The POD can't be before 1848-1850, considering the Mexican border and the original admission of California in 1850. All in all, it appears that the US not only violated that the Union violated the territorial integrity of the Southern states, but it also did the same with Union states of Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky.
The Colorado River only barely, if at all, flows through that Kansas - and OTL Kansas Territory included a hefty chunk of eastern Colorado anyway.
True, but the populous portions were all in the east. It's the same thing that happened to the Nebraska territory when it was admitted as a state. (EDIT) My bad; it was in 1863 that Nebraska had its current border; it had the long westerly tail starting in 1861 when it was created.
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Crossposting from the Alternate Planets thread.
Here's a provisional map of the planet Sh'Teth in a...I don't know what projection this would be, it's the basemap I use to edit and then use G.Projector to put it in other projections.
While I will probably change some of this, here are some provisional facts;
Star System: Th'na System (Delta Pavonis)
Planetary Placement: Second planet from star
Diameter: 6,697 Km (4,161.32 Mi)
Gravity: 0.91 G
Axial Tilt: 26º
Day Length: 22.06 hours (Earth Standard)
Year Length: 400.16 days (Earth Standard)
Surface Water: 60.2%
Natural Satellites: T'a'nal, So'ha'sel
Major Landmasses: Sh'thes (primary continent), Ka'tes, In'atha, Th'h'nal (large islands)
Average Temperature: 12.9 C (54.68 F)
Vegetation Cover: 68%
Population: 12,150,865,012
-Human: 0.06% (7,590,519)
-Arboreans: 0.4% (48,603,464)
-Others: 0.54% (65,614,673)
-Sh'tha: 99% (12,029,356,356)
-Planetary: 97%
-Systemic: 3%
Major Cities: H'thesh, Sh'ka, Ka'aro, Heth'sha, J'a'na, Ka'u'ni, Na'ki, Sh'kar'a (Sh'tha) Thera, Tyro, Kujaku-shi, Nova Amazônia (Human)*
Calendar: 10 months comprised of 40 days.
*By the time of the information present a Wormhole (which took alot of resources to create and 24 years to travel to the Th'na System) has been connecting Earth and Sh'teth for 40 years,
and since Sh'teth is one of the few close-by habitable worlds that Humans could settle on (albeit not as parts of Terran polities), it's gotten a fair amount of immigration in that time.
**In the case of the cities, multiple species live in them, it's just what species founded them that makes them different.
Here's a provisional map of the planet Sh'Teth in a...I don't know what projection this would be, it's the basemap I use to edit and then use G.Projector to put it in other projections.
While I will probably change some of this, here are some provisional facts;
Star System: Th'na System (Delta Pavonis)
Planetary Placement: Second planet from star
Diameter: 6,697 Km (4,161.32 Mi)
Gravity: 0.91 G
Axial Tilt: 26º
Day Length: 22.06 hours (Earth Standard)
Year Length: 400.16 days (Earth Standard)
Surface Water: 60.2%
Natural Satellites: T'a'nal, So'ha'sel
Major Landmasses: Sh'thes (primary continent), Ka'tes, In'atha, Th'h'nal (large islands)
Average Temperature: 12.9 C (54.68 F)
Vegetation Cover: 68%
Population: 12,150,865,012
-Human: 0.06% (7,590,519)
-Arboreans: 0.4% (48,603,464)
-Others: 0.54% (65,614,673)
-Sh'tha: 99% (12,029,356,356)
-Planetary: 97%
-Systemic: 3%
Major Cities: H'thesh, Sh'ka, Ka'aro, Heth'sha, J'a'na, Ka'u'ni, Na'ki, Sh'kar'a (Sh'tha) Thera, Tyro, Kujaku-shi, Nova Amazônia (Human)*
Calendar: 10 months comprised of 40 days.
*By the time of the information present a Wormhole (which took alot of resources to create and 24 years to travel to the Th'na System) has been connecting Earth and Sh'teth for 40 years,
and since Sh'teth is one of the few close-by habitable worlds that Humans could settle on (albeit not as parts of Terran polities), it's gotten a fair amount of immigration in that time.
**In the case of the cities, multiple species live in them, it's just what species founded them that makes them different.
No, it doesn't have to be considered *totally* set in stone, but sometimes, it must also be pointed out that things developed the way they did for a reason; for example, I doubt a square court with four baskets and four teams would work too well for *basketball of any kind; too many complications. Baseball diamonds *could* have five bases, like a pentagon, but again, does add complications that might at least be seen as unnecessary, if not necessarily problematic like with the other example.
It's kind of the same deal with why most road vehicles and all aircraft are virtually symmetrical in their basic shape(with only the steering column and a few other things excepted), or why virtually all cars(except for truly rare cases, such as the Reliant Robin) have four wheels laid out in a rectangular shape: people usually just go with what appears to work the best.
Article from The Long Islander--July 4, 2026
The State of Long Island this week celebrates two hundred years of statehood, a feat accomplished by less than a majority of the states across the country. While firmly considered to be a state belonging to the northeast, bordering on the Mid-Atlantic and New England, Long Island's entrance as the twenty-fifth state in 1826 was the product of years of political debate over the ever present issue of slavery. For over a century, New York and Connecticut during the colonial period claimed the area now known as Long Island. Both appeared to have legitimate claims, but neither wished to come to blows over the area. Tensions began once again when after the United States became an independent and recognized nation in 1783, both states began to consider claiming the area once more. The Long Island Agreement was signed in 1786 between the two states, resolving this issue. Connecticut agreed to shift its western boundary twenty-five miles to the east away from the Hudson, and in exchange New York gave Suffolk County and half of Queens County to Connecticut. Over the next forty years, Long Island slowly developed and proved to be similar in relationship to Connecticut as Maine was to Massachusetts.
When the issue of slavery once again came up with the Missouri Compromise in 1820, which led to Maine becoming the newest state in the Union, Long Island began to petition for statehood. They were like Maine disconnected from their parent state, receiving little attention outside of giving Connecticut absolute control over the Long Island Sound. The movement grew during the early-1820s, but little nationwide attention was given to the small region. President James Monroe chose not to push tensions further by admitting Long Island as a state (Although he did privately remark that he would support statehood if it did not lead to the need for yet another compromise), and with the 1824 elections approaching, Long Island became the next major issue in a campaign wrought with controversy. In March 1825, the winner of that election, John Quincy Adams, vowed to support the independence of Long Island from Connecticut, believing that it would give the North an advantage numerically over the South in the United States Senate. In May 1826, Long Island formally requested statehood, and that same month, Congress voted in favor and President Adams agreed. On July 4, 1826, fifty years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence and on the same day Thomas Jefferson* and John Adams died, Long Island became a state.
Long Island over the next century largely developed as a regional agricultural powerhouse. Coastal whaling and fishing villages dotted the North Shore, while the South Fork and areas along the North Shore provided summer homes for the wealthy living in New York City. The new state also proved to be a hotbed for the Underground Railroad and Abolitionism, with Long Island's many fishing villages becoming way-points for escaped slaves to flee to Canada. During the American Civil War, Long Island provided 20,000 men at arms, many of them fighting and losing their lives at Bull Run, Antietam, Shiloh, and most notably Gettysburg and the Wilderness. After the Civil War, Long Island became a more active area for the wealthy out of New York, who began to build permanent homes along the "Gold Coast" on the North Shore. By the early twentieth century, Long Island became the focal point for aviation, Charles Lindbergh famously taking off from Long Island for his journey across the Atlantic. Airfields dotted the island, and during the Second World War, Long Island was a major industrial and training center for the Army Air Corps and the early Air Force.
After the Second World War, Long Island's population boomed. Many New Yorkers returning home from the war moved to Nassau County in the late-1940s and early-1950s for a more picturesque and suburban lifestyle. The first suburbs in the United States sprang up at Levittown, and was ground zero for suburban growth across the country. The aeronautics industry also boomed after the Second World War, Grumman, Republic, Fairchild, and Curtiss basing their headquarters on the Island. Research and development also boomed as well, with nuclear research, computers, and medical science becoming dominant industries in the state as well. This growth sadly ended in the early-1990s, when the aeronautics industry largely collapsed, although in recent years it has been making a comeback. Today, Long Island is, like New Jersey, seen as representative of Middle America, and while predominantly a Democratic state, it has proven to be one with conservative tendencies. While Long Island's importance has declined, it is clear that the twenty-fifth state's influence is large in our country's history.
*It is widely assumed by local legend that Port Jefferson was named immediately after statehood to honor the deceased third President, but it was not named that for nearly a decade.
That's beautiful. Do you happen to have any population stats on the state/cities?
Yes, I do.
The total statewide population is 2,832,882. It is twelfth in total nationwide population and is represented by two United States Senators and four members of the House of Representatives (For a total of six electoral votes in Presidential elections). There are two counties, Suffolk County in the east, and Nassau County in the west. There is really no difference save for population density, but Suffolk has more people and the two have roughly the same amount.
There are also sixteen townships. Now, these townships do have villages in them, so Northport for example is technically a part of Huntington. The largest 'city' is the Town of Hempstead, which is basically southern Nassau County. It has 759,757 people, and would be the sixteenth largest city in the country if it did become a city. Long Island however only has two incorporated cities...Glen Cove and Long Beach, both of which are smaller and also in Nassau County.
The state capital is Huntington, with a population of 203,264, although this includes the population of the many villages and hamlets within the town. The main capital area is known as Huntington Village, which is a downtown area of a small town with a few government buildings. The thing about Long Island is that right up until Carmans River (The river Yaphank is on) is basically urban sprawl directly out of New York City. There are many distinctions locals would notice, but to an outsider, they could be dropped off in Huntington or Smithtown or anywhere on the North Shore and not know the difference. Same with the South Shore, which is much more densely populated. A good dividing marker is that long highway (The white line over a red line) that stretches from Riverhead to Queens. Everything north of that is more traditional small town New England (Albeit more populated), and everything south of that is basically like a slightly less dense version of Queens. After Yaphank though, north and south, it's all basically farms, small towns, vineyards, and rich people houses. It's a generalization, but that's largely it.
The total statewide population is 2,832,882. It is twelfth in total nationwide population and is represented by two United States Senators and four members of the House of Representatives (For a total of six electoral votes in Presidential elections). There are two counties, Suffolk County in the east, and Nassau County in the west. There is really no difference save for population density, but Suffolk has more people and the two have roughly the same amount.
There are also sixteen townships. Now, these townships do have villages in them, so Northport for example is technically a part of Huntington. The largest 'city' is the Town of Hempstead, which is basically southern Nassau County. It has 759,757 people, and would be the sixteenth largest city in the country if it did become a city. Long Island however only has two incorporated cities...Glen Cove and Long Beach, both of which are smaller and also in Nassau County.
The state capital is Huntington, with a population of 203,264, although this includes the population of the many villages and hamlets within the town. The main capital area is known as Huntington Village, which is a downtown area of a small town with a few government buildings. The thing about Long Island is that right up until Carmans River (The river Yaphank is on) is basically urban sprawl directly out of New York City. There are many distinctions locals would notice, but to an outsider, they could be dropped off in Huntington or Smithtown or anywhere on the North Shore and not know the difference. Same with the South Shore, which is much more densely populated. A good dividing marker is that long highway (The white line over a red line) that stretches from Riverhead to Queens. Everything north of that is more traditional small town New England (Albeit more populated), and everything south of that is basically like a slightly less dense version of Queens. After Yaphank though, north and south, it's all basically farms, small towns, vineyards, and rich people houses. It's a generalization, but that's largely it.
Still, how did it work when they were actually under Connecticut? Did Long Island have a special allowance for their three-tiered structure, or were the towns momentarily abolished only to immediately return once they got separate statehood?
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