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A Tale of Two

A map, showcasing Confederate involvement in the "War on Communism". The Socialist Confederation of the Greater Andes has decalred neutrality, taking advantage as the CSA topples the People's Federation of Columbia and Venezuela (sometimes called Bolivara) and its allies, other communist states beginning to ally themselves in the new Andean Sphere.

Border skirmishes have reignited tensions between the Republic of Germany and the Imperial Confederation of Germany-Danubia. The Irish Rebellion has faced a crushing blow as the Irish Commonwealth's official capital of Dublin was retaken by British froces, relocating back to the now de facto capital of Galway. And lastly, the Allied States of Industan are seeing increasing tension between Muslims and Hindus as the two Muslim-ruled regions of the nation have begun making calls for independence. In positive news, the Tzardom of Rus and the Siberian Democratic Republic have officially agreed to take down the "Wall of Russia", the massive chainlink, barbwire fence and opposing snipers' nests and guard towers that for decades has run along their shared border.

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Well here is more or less the final version of North Africa. I must admit I might have gone a wee bit overboard in some areas. I changed Oromo's color because it was confusing people

EDIT: Fixed Liberia

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So Communism is mainly a South American thing with some outliers elsewhere in this world? Interesting idea...

When and how did that division of Russia occur?

Why does Germany-Danubia have the same fill color as the German Republic? It's a bit confusing.

Also, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call this one a...

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Basically finished with this. January 1st, AD 2000. 3 weeks prior to departure of interstellar probes the "Three Sisters", 5 months prior to Judgment Day.
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Any comments, questions, criticisms, suggestions?

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So Communism is mainly a South American thing with some outliers elsewhere in this world? Interesting idea...

Yeah I figured it was a nice place for Communists to gain a delayed start should they be unable to gain power in Russia, being too European for Asia, too, well, Communist for Europe, and with North America being relatively economically stable, with a growing Middle Class.

When and how did that division of Russia occur?

That's a very different Russian Revolution, with the ATL Bolsheviks collapsing to infighting with the death of their leadership in a "train accident". The ATL White Army gains a good deal of support with the Reds now headless, but many moderates that had been in government simply declared the Russian Republic, a moderate socialist democracy. The border is where the ensuing second civil war ground to a stalemate in trench warfare, officially lasting over a decade, with the last quarter of it being in de facto peace. It served as a border to the modern day, mostly because it and land immediately beyond it on either side is still a toxic waste of trenches, mass graves, and botched chemical warfare attempts.

Why does Germany-Danubia have the same fill color as the German Republic? It's a bit confusing.
That's because both claim to be Germany proper, claiming the "German" lands of each other, with the German-Danubians declaring the Prussians to be "Half-Slav Impostors" and thus want only to Berlin, and the German Republic wanting nothing past what is the Crown of Greater Austria (i.e. Germany in Germany-Danubia) in the Confederation.

So, it's supposed to be confusing, as there are essentially two Germanies, each claiming to be the rightful master of all Germans and claiming all of Germany. Before the Crowns of Hungary, Serbia, and Romania gained equal status (the region called Danubia for short), both were technically called the German Empire, with a North or South slapped on in front by their allies. When the North saw the overthrow of the monarchy, it became Republican Germany and Imperial Germany for a short while before Germany-Danubia was formed.

Also, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call this one a...

If it helps I have a reasoning that isn't just "Confederates somehow did awesome". It's that Grant dies at Shiloh, Sherman dies at Bull Run before even becoming someone of note, Chamberlain broke his leg in his youth and never fully lost his speech impediment, and so decided to remain a professor at Bowdoin College. Thus, an even more paranoid McClellan ends up heading the Army and deciding to pursue a more defensive position, entrusting Pope and Hooker with his few incursions into the CSA (the idea is to cut off supplies and do a war of attrition). This instead lets the Rebs consolidate their forces, train their men, and shift their production from cash crops to food stuffs, thanks to President Robert Toombs (Davis getting deathly ill and having been too sick to attend Montgomery, dying less than a month later). They holdout, and are able to negotiate goods through Mexico and the Caribbean from the French. The US Embargo ends up sinking a French vessel after seeing it leave a Confederate port, leading to the French intervening on the Confederates behalf, who at the time were actually gaining an upperhand. They had most of Missouri under their control, and General Pope's mishandling (mostly by trying to copy the Russians with Napoleon and destroying rails and farms as they were pursued) had the populations of Missouri and Kentucky divided on the war, and said division was less by region and more simply across the state.

The war ends quickly after France invades California, and the peace negotiations see Confederate Arizona go with the CSA, and the remaining New Mexico territory split in half. The CSA was also relieved of debts incurred to all nations but France, something that pissed off the British and resulted in closer ties with the USA. Missouri and Kentucky are both made independent buffer states; both could choose to join either the CSA or the USA after a period of 20 years. During that time, as the Yankees and Dixie refused to trade, Kentucky and Missouri became thriving hubs for merchants from both nations to exchange goods and ideas, Kentucky especially, as it had suffered less damage in the war. Missouri's population slowly became more Pro-Confederate, mostly because, though both nations had done away with slavery by 1890, the CSA had done a gradual fade, compensating slave owners, whereas the USA simply illegalized it, and the moral authority toting nature of its politics meaning they refused to do so for Missouri slaveowners, and the non-slavers were not happy with the US's "separate but equal" laws that would require equal Blacks only amenities be constructed alongside Whites only ones, preferring the ironically colorblind Confederate stance that instead placed literacy and land-ownership requirements on voters (though some states did away with the renewed land-ownership laws locally).

Kentucky meanwhile, remained independent, and is only shown in the Confederate sphere because of its alliance with the CSA against the Communists, the almost hyper-capitalistic Kentuckian culture resulting in the overwhelming majority of the populace endorsing the CSA's hardline stance against the red menace, and disliking the USA's isolationist nature, who, after the loss of California to populists who resisted the government's rather forceful mass industrialization and centralization efforts, and the loss of Deseret thanks to joint Californian-French-Confederate backing, essentially threw their hands up told the western world to bugger off, instead delving into becoming masters of the Pacific.
 
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Alright, so this is my first serious attempt at a map. Its pretty crap but hey :p

Thanks to Upvoteanthology for teaching me how to use inkscape :)
 
Another Super New England. Oh baby.

I'm guessing New York got to keep its claims into Upper Canada and our Yankeeland pressed for it to connect to Michigan.
 
Very nice, ToixStory. How's the rest of Eastern Europe looking over the next few decades?
I didn't quite plan that far ahead, just because I think it's fun, heh. I don't really see the USSR collapsing anytime soon, but it'll definitely have to start reforms or fall too far behind the West economically. In Eastern Europe, the reforms will definitely be felt.

Poland is currently the biggest supporter of the Soviets due to a better relation in the Second World War, and has a good manufacturing and financial base. They'll probably handle the reforms fine. The Soviet-backed Balkans are going to struggle a bit, though, particularly Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. Romania and Hungary will be fine, though both are still more resentful of the USSR's role in making them vassals and will likely see some popular unrest.

The big thing, though, is going to be Germany. As mentioned, the Soviets had to recently crack down on a German attempt to integrate the economies of the three German states. The Soviets can only hold back that progress for so long, however, and with more than 80 million people the three Germanies are a big problem as their economy continues to grow and Soviet power over them wanes. If there is going to be any huge issue between 1980 and 2000 ITTL, it'll be over Soviet rule of the Germanies and the German plans to unite themselves into a single nation again.
 
So Communism is mainly a South American thing with some outliers elsewhere in this world? Interesting idea...

When and how did that division of Russia occur?

Why does Germany-Danubia have the same fill color as the German Republic? It's a bit confusing.

Also, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call this one a...

It could only get worse with West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. I've even seen a map with Kansas once :eek:
 
Alright, so this is my first serious attempt at a map. Its pretty crap but hey :p

Thanks to Upvoteanthology for teaching me how to use inkscape :)

When does this diverge? I love the map, and often dream about a world in which this sort of thing took place.

My only criticism, and this might just be me nit picking, is that I don't think the Oswego River is a good place to split Niagara and Saratoga. The two largest communities in that area today span both sides of the river. Oswego itself, in particular, has been important since the early 18th century.
 
That's a very different Russian Revolution, with the ATL Bolsheviks collapsing to infighting with the death of their leadership in a "train accident". The ATL White Army gains a good deal of support with the Reds now headless, but many moderates that had been in government simply declared the Russian Republic, a moderate socialist democracy. The border is where the ensuing second civil war ground to a stalemate in trench warfare, officially lasting over a decade, with the last quarter of it being in de facto peace. It served as a border to the modern day, mostly because it and land immediately beyond it on either side is still a toxic waste of trenches, mass graves, and botched chemical warfare attempts.

Just not sure there are enough Russians east of that border to make a plausible defensive line that long...was the revolt rather later than OTL?

That's because both claim to be Germany proper, claiming the "German" lands of each other, with the German-Danubians declaring the Prussians to be "Half-Slav Impostors" and thus want only to Berlin,

That's pretty rich on their part, with the majority of the German-Danubian empire's population being non-German.


If it helps I have a reasoning that isn't just "Confederates somehow did awesome". It's that Grant dies at Shiloh, Sherman dies at Bull Run before even becoming someone of note, Chamberlain broke his leg in his youth and never fully lost his speech impediment, and so decided to remain a professor at Bowdoin College.

So it's a "CSA is incredibly lucky" scenario instead. That works. :p

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The big thing, though, is going to be Germany. As mentioned, the Soviets had to recently crack down on a German attempt to integrate the economies of the three German states. The Soviets can only hold back that progress for so long, however, and with more than 80 million people the three Germanies are a big problem as their economy continues to grow and Soviet power over them wanes. If there is going to be any huge issue between 1980 and 2000 ITTL, it'll be over Soviet rule of the Germanies and the German plans to unite themselves into a single nation again.

Where does Austria see itself in that?
 
Where does Austria see itself in that?
They're not one of the "Germanies" per say, but they definitely feel a certain kinship to Germany, especially as the Germanies grow stronger and Russia's influence grows weaker in Central Europe. It also helps that, without a unified country, Germans have united themselves through language, culture, and economy, which Austria also shares in.
 
They're not one of the "Germanies" per say, but they definitely feel a certain kinship to Germany, especially as the Germanies grow stronger and Russia's influence grows weaker in Central Europe. It also helps that, without a unified country, Germans have united themselves through language, culture, and economy, which Austria also shares in.

Is there any talk of them unifying with the main 3?
 
Is there any talk of them unifying with the main 3?
Mostly in Austria and in South Germany (due to closer ties with them), though naturally the Soviets want them to keep that talk at a minimum. If/when communist rule collapses in Germany, Austria will likely be at least in a monetary and political union with Germany, if not outright part of it.

EDIT: Hmm, maybe I should make a "30 Years Later" version of this scenario...
 
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