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I'm impressed. I thought making an interesting map for a world with one space-filling empire would be nigh-impossible, but you've pulled it off magnificently.

However, it is a jpeg. You should upload a png version.

I love it. Tell us more about it.

Just in my opinion, great map, but it needs some notes.

Thank you! I'll reupload a new version with some more notes for each important feature.

Yeah, and also, how is that Perú, Colombia and Chile were able to survive to this?

They effectively bought their neutrality and are now living on borrowed time while Nazi Germany digests Africa and does Crazy Nazi Super Science, until it turns its attention to them. Again, I'll elaborate later.
 
Post Apocalyptic Eastern America

First Map! This is Eastern North America after a devastating nuclear war. The American Merchant Republic is the remnants of the United States of America, which was named the same as ever until Michael Casey revolted against the "backwards American tyranny" and formed his new "Casian Empire, effectively destroying the USA into two entities, his Casian Empire and The American Republic by nuking Washington when they did not expect it. (The AR became the AMR years later following a coup by the political elite.) The rest of the east is devestated by an anarchist group known simply as "the Riders", a sort of American Mongol-pirates (for lack of a better term) who loot and plunder and basically destroy the last remnants of civilization. Al-Bama, Whendincia, and Jamesonia are petty Rider kingdoms which are quickly being choked out like weeds, and the APC is basically a nation formed by Georgians, Floridians, and Alabamians who found themselves an overwhelming surviving force in the area. And Canada's just chilling. :D

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Alright, given this a go and think the results are workable enough.



Passing thought:
Many things can be said about AH.com, but that it _doesn't_ help someones knowledge of geography sure as heck isn't one of them.

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One thing I just sort of thought of; Greenland should actually look different; without the ice it would actually have a large inland sea/lake and a few coastal differences.
 
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One thing I just sort of thought of; Greenland should actually look different; without the ice it would actually have a large inland sea/lake and a few coastal differences.

Thank you!

You're spot on, but here's the question - would that be counteracted by a land not depressed by ice sheets?

It's the same thing in Northern Canada and Antarctica, there's so many variables to think of. Would the great lakes stay dry without ice sweeping south from Canada or would the increased sea level counteract that and fill their basins anyway? It's a tricky thing to work with! (Which reminds me, really have to get a new thread for this set up in the ASB forum, many heads being better than one and all...)
 
Its been quite a huge update in terms of what has happened since the war took a strange turn. The forces of the Populists and the communists began to deteriorate as despite their initially large advances against the Entente-MittelEuropa front, the two groups had many ideological, territorial and personal disputes which eventually led to them going to war with each other, despite the distractions they had from the other powers. This allowed the powers in which they were fighting to take advantage of the combat and make more out of this, while the civil war in America started to both escalate further as several groups began to look towards the development of atomic bombs to give them an advantage over one another. Not only did this happen, but several powers had previously been neutral entered on behalf of the anti-socialist coalition. These included the Japanese Empire, China (having recently crushed the Tang rebellion once and for all), Arabia and even the Spanish State and Italian royal government. Due to the vast power the socialists had, even against each other, it was admittedly almost impossible to truly remove the groups from power the way the Axis were destroyed in our timeline, and so the allied governments instead settled with conditional peace of varying levels of harshness, thus hoping that the remaining Populist and Communist regimes would face dissidence and collapse on themselves. This certainly worked with Italy, who was quickly reunited under the royal government, though the royals are still reluctant on having to cede a portion of land to Switzerland.

Additionally, the Ulanbataar pact was destroyed by the Nationalists and Japanese. Afterwards, the Japanese reluctantly ceded control of Manchuria over to the nationalists, allowing them to reunite China, though they are nevertheless somewhat disappointed on not being able to have Formosa back. Japan also managed to occupy parts of the Russian Far East for a lease of 50 years. The Russian Popular Union also had to grant independence to Turkmenistan and cede territory to Finland, Ukraine, Transcaucasia and China, as well as withdrawing military from the Black Sea. The Eco-Agrarian Syndicate was another casualty of the war, despite not being a member of the Popular Front, which allowed the peoples of Brazil to make effort into reconstructing their country, though the millions that were lost in the catastrophic regime and then the civil war require the country to take a vast amount of time to recover. While not as bad in its civil war, the US has been forced to lose several territories like California, Texas and Alaska, and barely managed to hold onto Hawaii. What was the worst in this was the nuclear devastation, as over 8 nuclear weapons were used in the last part of the civil war in 1947. The only populist regime that managed to blossom out of this was the Free Congo Commune, which currently is trying to mend the damage caused by the Belgian royal government and improve the rights of its people, taking a more democratic leaning in governance.


The communist block has arguably suffered even more from the war, likely due to its overall increased extremism and more militarised threat. Of course Italy's communists were utterly destroyed, as were the communist uprisings in South America, while the nations of Turan and Spain were devastated to the point of being almost discredited. The previously near Stalinist regime in Turan lost all its Arab and Kurdish territory, as well as it's remaining Armenian and Greek territories, also being required to demilitarise and reduce its military forces to below 50,000 overall. This led to the establishment of a major government opposition, as the previously very powerful government were utterly powerless to stop rebellions. A similar situation was rising in the Iberian peninsula, where almost all of the independence groups were given their own lands such as Aragon, Euskadi, Galicia, Asturias and Cantabria. The Spanish State made advances in the south west as well, but due to its incompetence was unable to gain much else. In order to cope with these economic disasters, they have recently been trying to implement reforms in their society. It is now 1949, and a new era begins.
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Reposting due to an extended end of page syndrome. :D
 
Thank you!

You're spot on, but here's the question - would that be counteracted by a land not depressed by ice sheets?

It's the same thing in Northern Canada and Antarctica, there's so many variables to think of. Would the great lakes stay dry without ice sweeping south from Canada or would the increased sea level counteract that and fill their basins anyway? It's a tricky thing to work with! (Which reminds me, really have to get a new thread for this set up in the ASB forum, many heads being better than one and all...)

I don't know about those, I feel like I should be able to answer on the Great Lakes since I saw a documentary on geography and them that was really informative, though I suppose in this case you could go either way given the geography's so different, anyways as to Greenland, if we take into account land rebound there would still be a pretty big lake in the middle; Greenland itself would sort of be a mystical place, being a huge island that's surrounded by mountains on almost its entire periphery, but with a huge, fertile valley area with a land area roughly the size of the North Eastern United States and of course a few areas on the tip that would be habitable as well; I suspect, depending on how and where the Humans (or the analogue species) evolved and the migration patterns it could either be largely virgin until a colonial era, house a population descended from very early migrations or could become a the center of a major power.
 
Was a large amount of ultra-nationalistic Union forces being nuked by the Federal government to prevent destruction. Ironically, the federal government has now been replaced by the liberal one, though the colour scheme has reverted back to normal.
 
American Newfoundland makes the entire map an abomination

Jokes aside, how did they manage it? Revolutionary sentiment irl was more or less non existent, no one had any ties with the other colonies, most people were involved with the migratory fishery and many spent half their time in Newfoundland and half in England, ect. Even with an early POD the nature of the Newfoundland colony and everything it had to offer more or less meant that it was going to remain more or less disconnected from the rest of them. On the other hand I'd imagine a full scale American invasion wouldn't work out what with the Royal Navy existing. The Labrador coast border is also an interesting choice to keep in this scenario.

That aside I'm interested in Persia, Japan and that horribly gutted China (in the laters case I am very apprehensive to imagine the French or any European power being to hold that much of China Proper, the most they can hang onto are little islands, city districts of peninsulas like the Germans). Speaking of gutted, dear god, Poland has been destroyed entirely!

Prussia managed to do awfully well without Silesia this time around, but I don't think that's too much a stretch by any means. That is one massive Austria, how long before It's dragged into conflict over Ukraine? Funny that Russia's would only only realize it's dream for a warm Pacific port in America :winkytongue:
 
American Newfoundland makes the entire map an abomination

Jokes aside, how did they manage it? Revolutionary sentiment irl was more or less non existent, no one had any ties with the other colonies, most people were involved with the migratory fishery and many spent half their time in Newfoundland and half in England, ect. Even with an early POD the nature of the Newfoundland colony and everything it had to offer more or less meant that it was going to remain more or less disconnected from the rest of them. On the other hand I'd imagine a full scale American invasion wouldn't work out what with the Royal Navy existing. The Labrador coast border is also an interesting choice to keep in this scenario.

That aside I'm interested in Persia, Japan and that horribly gutted China (in the laters case I am very apprehensive to imagine the French or any European power being to hold that much of China Proper, the most they can hang onto are little islands, city districts of peninsulas like the Germans). Speaking of gutted, dear god, Poland has been destroyed entirely!

Prussia managed to do awfully well without Silesia this time around, but I don't think that's too much a stretch by any means. That is one massive Austria, how long before It's dragged into conflict over Ukraine? Funny that Russia's would only only realize it's dream for a warm Pacific port in America :winkytongue:
Oh, sorry. :eek:
They gained it in the First American War, between the USA and Britain, it was a pretty stalemate war, but the USA managed to occupy Newfoundland whilst the Royal Navy was in India fighting the French and it was ceded after the war.

The European colonies in China are little more then puppet states that the European powers claim to be under their direct control, unlike the puppets in Africa.

Poland has indeed been destroyed entirely, but if do a sequel it will doubtless make a return. :p

The size of Austria is part of the POD, so I won't go into too much detail, but Russia is stirring up Ukrainian nationalists so a war will probably be soon.

Is there a particular reason multiple POD timelines are looked down upon in general?

I would like to know that as well.
 
Is there a particular reason multiple POD timelines are looked down upon in general?

Well, time is generally held to be a linear progression that's the same for everyone everywhere (well, put simply - obviously if you're travelling at relativistic speeds it's different). So once you've changed one thing at one point in time, it makes no sense for other things to stay exactly the same until a different point in time. It's perfectly alright to have a first major change in some other area in the world, but that doesn't make it a second PoD - just the first divergence in that particular area.
 
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