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GeneralInTheShell

Almost finished with my Loyalist South map. Africa and the Pacific Islands could probably still use a little work and then it'll be time to start annotating everything.

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Iserlohn

General_Finley said:
Almost finished with my Loyalist South map. Africa and the Pacific Islands could probably still use a little work and then it'll be time to start annotating everything.
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I'd give Wittelsbach Belgium something small in Western or Equatorial Africa but otherwise it looks really good ^^ EDIT: And I'd change the Austrian Southwest Africa-Portuguese Angola border because it is so convergent, though that's nitpicky since the border is also perfectly reasonable from a geographic standpoint.
 
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jkarr

Wip - Need critique

Wip for a map of a modified "Frankfurt Proposal" set after Napoleon came to his senses a bit and stopped dithering.


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Clandango

Clandango

jkarr said:
Wip for a map of a modified "Frankfurt Proposal" set after Napoleon came to his senses a bit and stopped dithering.
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Even with Salzburg and Trent, I don't see the Austrians wishing to give up Belgium without compensation of another sort, especially since they aren't getting back the Habsburg lands in Tuscany or Milan, nor in Voralburg or Breisgau. Baden was terribly wanked here.
 

jkarr

Clandango said:
Even with Salzburg and Trent, I don't see the Austrians wishing to give up Belgium without compensation of another sort, especially since they aren't getting back the Habsburg lands in Tuscany or Milan, nor in Voralburg or Breisgau. Baden was terribly wanked here.
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It was Mitternach himself who proposed that the French keep Belgium and the Italian Kingdom there is ruled by a Hapsburg. They get rid of something they cant control ( Belgium and the Italian provinces) whilst getting the benefits of having them closely allied ( France here, although ruled still by Napoleon I (til his son comes of age to succeed, part of this ttl's treaty), is now allied in part to Austria).

As for Baden...that's what it's size was otl. Think you mean Bavaria, and yes i shortened it more to its original electorate, which was more closer to it's borders til its northern half was added in various parts during the war and peace process' otl. But the Wittelsbachs do come out of it shining anyways, as their the "Hereditary Presidents" of the South German Confederation ttl and rule that northern part too, via a cadet branch
 

jkarr

Clandango said:
Nah, I meant Baden. I always thought it was wanked. And I do like how you have Liechtenstein under Austrian influence.
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Agree there. Never really got why it was like that...had originally snipped off the top portion a bit as a independent section, but never had a reason too really,and historically didn't make sense so re added it...besides nice balance against Bavaria.
And yea figured Liechtenstein, being formerly under French imperial protection would fall back under Austrian "protection" following the end of the wars.
 

EverythingHasBeauty

Upvoteanthology said:
Since we're on the topic of 1984, here's an ASB map I made. What if, instead of three terrible dictatorships, 1984 consisted of three democratic powers?

After the end of WWII, the Soviet Union suffered a coup of epic proportions. It basically replaced the entire government, exiling Stalin and putting in a pro-European one. While many of the ethnic Russians thought that it was a plot by the US to destroy the Soviet Union, but the US was repulsed by the new government. They thought it was some sort of front at first, until they realized that it was a serious republic. And the new government wasn't without its flaws. Lithuania and Kazakhstan quickly declared independence from the new "Eurasian Union", but the nations in Europe began to send in troops to help them hold together. While the US wasn't happy about this, they did it anyway. The European Federation was formed by a couple European nations in 1953, but was much more effective than the OTL EU. It federalized slowly, fully integrating the member nations (France, West Germany, and Italy at the time) into a single state. The Eurasian Union sent out a kind hand to the EF, offering a political union. While it began shaky, as many of the Balkan states wanted out, it eventually settled into the United Eurasian Federation.

Meanwhile, the UK was failing. The Russian-based UEF was effectively self-sufficient, meaning that British trade became difficult and overly-challenging. The US, still angry at the UEF being a more powerful nation than them, decided to offer a union between the British Empire and the US. A referendum was held on July 4th, 1955, and 43% of the British citizens voted yes. However, the election was rigged, so that the results said 56%. The League of Oceania was formed soon after, with the US being the head of this new union. Happy with its regained status as #1 superpower, it took its eyes off of England for the time being. After this, however, more and more radical parties started to emerge in the newly American UK. The Party for Scottish Independence was the most popular party in Scotland from 1956 to 1963, while Wales was a battleground between pro-American parties and pro-British ones. The United Oceanian Party was small, but it was the most radical by far. It began in the underground of London on August 16th, 1956. But it quickly recruited individuals by promising them membership in the future "Inner Party" (while most of these recruits got into the Outer Party, few got what they were really promised). Violent rebel groups rocked London and its surrounding areas, but the US refused to let a dictatorship take complete control of the UK. The UOP realized they were going to have to set up better propaganda if they wanted to get the public on their side. In the towns controlled by the rebels, huge telescreens were built to control the masses. Children were ordered to be raised from birth loving the party, while the adults who dissented were sent to labor camps in Cornwall.

Meanwhile, in 1958, China was becoming more and more shaky. The Communist government was frequently getting attempts at a coup, after the public caught a glance at the somewhat-successful unification in Eurasia. The communist government became more and more harsh, until a joint Oceanian-Eurasian coalition forced the government to flee to Cambodia. A shaky union was formed, between China and the former British colonies in western India (besides India itself). The union continued to slowly grow, while the democratic government became more direct in its power. This new nation was called Eastasia, and it began as a puppet of both Eurasia and US. This venture brought the two nations together, when they were formerly somewhat enemies. While it was still somewhat socialist, it was much nicer than the other government in power. The three superpower nations formed an alliance in 1960, which has been holding strong to this very day. Another world war looked like it would never happen, even though there were still large bouts of tension between the major nations.

The United Oceanian Party took note of this. They made it seem like they already had control of the amount of land that the entire League of Oceania had. They also made it seem like the three powers were constantly at war, even though the few UOP soldiers were actually sent into Scotland to fight, not France (the propaganda was REALLY good). They renamed England "Airstrip One", just to make it seem like a smaller part of a bigger picture. Emmanuel Goldstein, the democratic president of the US at the time, became the largest enemy of the party. By 1984, the war between the US and the UOP is reaching a standstill. Both parties are considering surrender, mostly because the US didn't really want to have to clean up the mess in England. The tension between the US and Eastasia in the Philippines was the largest tension in the world, but even that wouldn't lead to a war. Earth was arguably at peace (if you disregard Britain, of course). While the UOP would eventually be put down and reassimilated, the rest of the world wouldn't change much between 1984 and 2015. It seems as if the nations of Earth have finally reached some sort of equilibrium.
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Awesome Map and I love your idea of 3 democratic powers since I have never seen anyone re-imagine 1984 like that. Great job!
 
Thande

Thande

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Upvoteanthology said:
Since we're on the topic of 1984, here's an ASB map I made. What if, instead of three terrible dictatorships, 1984 consisted of three democratic powers?
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Very interesting take on the scenario, the idea that Airstrip One is really all there is to Oceania is not new but that is a quite novel variation. I also like how the other two powers also have a corresponding one rebel state run by loonies.

The only thing is that I think the colours for the three powers are too similar; I assume you were meaning to imply how similar they all are, but at least on this monitor I can't see any difference in shade between Oceania and Eurasia.
 
Upvoteanthology

Upvoteanthology

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EverythingHasBeauty said:
Awesome Map and I love your idea of 3 democratic powers since I have never seen anyone re-imagine 1984 like that. Great job!
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Thank you!

Thande said:
Very interesting take on the scenario, the idea that Airstrip One is really all there is to Oceania is not new but that is a quite novel variation. I also like how the other two powers also have a corresponding one rebel state run by loonies.

The only thing is that I think the colours for the three powers are too similar; I assume you were meaning to imply how similar they all are, but at least on this monitor I can't see any difference in shade between Oceania and Eurasia.
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Yeah, I actually used TACOS, which is why all the republican colors look so similar. And thanks for the compliment! :D
 

Nanwe

Ares96 said:
Sealand and Liechtenstein basically have the same raison d'être.
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You say that as a bad thing. If I could I'd buy an island in the Caribbean, declare it an independent state and then become its sole citizen and leader, that way not paying taxes. It's win-win :p
 
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