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Did you make the county map from scratch? If so, that's impressive for a first map. Just one quick pointer - you'll want to avoid using lines more than a single pixel wide. Use the line tool rather than the pencil to draw the borders and it looks much crisper and nicer. :)

No I didn't. But thanks.

I believe that county map is derived from one posted on the wiki and elsewhere.

*Facepalm* Sorry. I should have mentioned that. Yeah, I did not make this map, other than the blank color key and logo.
 
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Mate, I think you're forgetting a small period of Polish history from 1939 to 1945, but I do agree that Poland didn't get it's 'independence' in 1989; it got it after being 'liberated' by the Soviets at the end of WW2. I really feel that the right colour for Poland would be German, especially seeing as none of the other Warsaw Pact states 'received their independence' from the USSR on that map.

Occupation during wars wasn't supposed to count.
 
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So, you know how there's all those "predicting" WW3 alliance maps?
Many of them do ridiculous things like randomly paste countries into alliances (India and South Africa are in the "bad guy" block in one map)- and I'd like to create one that is realistically plausible.
So, I'll need you guys' ideas- what countries do you think should go into what alliance?
The lighter color means that the country might be in that block/alliance.
 
Honestly, I think it would be tough to get China to declare war on America for most of the foreseeable future. Economic interdependence and all that. If anything Beijing would probably sit out any war between Russia and NATO and laugh while profiting off both sides.

Also, I can hardly see Vietnam being on the same side as China given the trangessions of the latter in the past three decades.
 
That's some interesting colonization (Danish Namibia but independent Greenland?) Why are the Netherlands French?
actually, Greenland is Swedish here--i'm still working on a map including a key that's to my satisfaction, but that's the Swedish protectorate color used in TACOS. France controls the Low Countries due to their winning the Napoleonic Wars (consistently called the Coalition Wars ITTL) and occupying them for more than half a century during the "final" war during all that against Russia, which was actually something of a cold war. most of Europe is essentially in the French camp here because of teh Coalition Wars, alot of them being ex-client states
That map looks great overall, but for some reason, Uber-Nepal controlling Chinese territory bothers me.
i wanted to branch out a bit from OTL with the redesign that this resulted from, which is what it was before--a rare exception since even consistently-neutral, unchanging Switzerland got a bit of territorial expansion :p

i haven't written the actual reason for Nepal having that extra territory, but ITTL it could have something to do with it basically being a playground for Chinese and Mughlai spies whose arguably illegal activities within Nepalese territory are paid off by those two governments
 
So, you know how there's all those "predicting" WW3 alliance maps?
Many of them do ridiculous things like randomly paste countries into alliances (India and South Africa are in the "bad guy" block in one map)- and I'd like to create one that is realistically plausible.
So, I'll need you guys' ideas- what countries do you think should go into what alliance?
The lighter color means that the country might be in that block/alliance.
Well, ignoring the fact that modern economics makes giant full-scale war between the Great Powers almost unfeasible, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Vietnam would probably be in the American camp. I think Armenia would also side with Russia.
 
Okay, yes, this is a WIP. It's also a communist-wank, all the countries were ISOTed to a virgin earth. I just did this for the heck of it.

Communist Countries
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
People's Republic of China
Cuba
Ethiopia
Italian Socialist Republic
Socialist Republics of Iberia
German Democratic Republic
Polish People's Republic
Hungarian People's Republic
Socialist Republic of Romania
People's Socialist Republic of Albania
People's Republic of Bulgaria
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic
People's Democratic Republic of Korea
Vietnam
Laos
Japanese People Republic
American Socialist Confederation
New Afrika (Orange)
Democratic Countries
United States of America
Union of Kentucky and West Virginia
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If there are any questions about the countries, I'll answer them.
 
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Poland should be Russia-colored, since its last independence is 1918, from Russia, Austria and Germany at the same time, with its core being in Russian hands. I know people like to quote 1989 as an independence but it was technically a sovereign state in communist era, not part of USSR.

Poland ceased to be after the Nazi's and Soviets partitioned it, it then regained its independence from the USSR (who'd captured all its former territory from Germany) following the end of the war.


Shouldn't Swaziland, Bhutan, Brunei and Yemen have the UK colour? Or, at least Bhutan should have an Indian colour, as the protectorate status was transferred from Britain to India following the latter's independence.

In those cases they were True Protectorates, meaning they never actually ceased being sovereign polities.


Andorra should have a colour indicating the Frankish Empire, and San Marino the Roman Empire. Romania should have the Ottoman Empire colour.

Andorra's early history is not very clear, however tradition holds that Charlemagne presnted them a Charter (IE he recognized their existence), not that they became independent from the Frankish Empire.

San Marino did not become independent of Rome, the original community was founded as a sanctuary for Christians, with the land eventually given to them by the woman who owned it; after the fall of Rome the lands established a government.

Romania formed when the sovereign Principalities of Wallachia and Moldovia united.


Perhaps Taiwan should have the Japan colour? :confused:

Both China and Taiwan formed out of the chaos of the Chinese Civil War; the government of Taiwan originally in Northern China and the Chinese government in central China.


Switzerland is tricky, but perhaps a Habsburg colour? And Portugal Spain's colour?

Switzerland is the result of previously independent or autonomous polities merging together.

Portugal I was'nt sure on, and ultimately I'm not 100% convinced that Portugal ceased to be as a sovereign entity in the modern sense, but rather became something akin to a puppet state in Personal Union; I could be convinced otherwise with strong evidence though.


Liberia should probably have the US colour.

The United States nor any State ever at any time controlled any territory in the area; the States provided backing to private companies that set-up colonies and encouraged migration, eventually old Liberia and the Republic of Maryland merged to form the modern country.


Shouldn't Egypt and Syria's independence be from the United Arab Republic and Iraq and Jordan's from the Arab Federation?

You're right about the UAR, I think I was in my head conflating it with the FAR and UAS, which were both Supranational entities as opposed to the UAR being a single sovereign polity.

I completely forgot Iraq and Jordan actually merged, which I think is understandable since it lasted like a year at most.


I count five countries that became independent from America (Cuba, Philippines, Palau, FSM, and Marshall Islands). What's the sixth? I'd say Liberia, but it's colored in as a "natural state".

The sixth is Kiribati, which simultaneously became independent from both the United States and United Kingdom.


Besides the issue with Poland (I would colour it Geman/Soviet or Russian - depending if you take 1917 or 1945), I see another problem:
Serbia and Montenegro:
After the dissolution of Good Ol' Yugoslavia (TM) Serbia and Montenegro formed the Federal Rwpublic of Yugoslavia, which later became "Serbia and Montenegro" and later disintegrated into "Serbia" and "Montenegro". I see two options:
-colour both states "Yugoslavia"

or

-keep Montenegro's Serbian colour and colour Serbia "Ottoman".

I consider Serbia and Montenegro to have essentially been Serbia +1 as the Central Government was in Serbia and it acted more like a country based on Serbia rather than a true federation of two states.
 
TwiliAlchemist, you still have East Timor Portuguese-colored rather than the color you're using for Iberia - is this intentional?
 
Since your asking. Here's a WWIII map but it has a POD in the Libyan civil war and the war erupts in 2020 when in the Iranian civil war the government forces drop a nuke on a rebel held town of Qom. It is later found that North korea sold Iran the weapon and china having told them that they wouldn't take their shit anymore in 2013 invades to take care of the absolute stupidest nation in the world. Of course the U.S. scrambles to get a peice of the pie for the south. however Russia invades chinese occupied territory and manchuria saying that they invaded NK for illegal reasons. China pulls out of the north to defend their home while the U.S cleans up the remaining mess.
Right after China is invaded the E.U. invades russia for the specific reason of their invasion of china. Things escalate from there. No, Nukes are not used during the course of the war.

"But Ethan what happens to Iran?"

The rebels defeat the Government after 2 more weeks with UIR help. Modern politics people.

Side note. don't focus on my terribly shitty key, I know it's horrible. Also I know my stripped lines are shit also.
 
Besides getting all the muslim countries of north africa and middle east to magically cooperate,
It's a really striking change when compared with Europe, which already has significant international political-economic institutions and yet doesn't have any unity depicted other than all fighting on the same side.
 
Besides getting all the muslim countries of north africa and middle east to magically cooperate, Why is mongolia a us ally? The mongols are have been a russian pet since the '20s. They even write their language in cyrillic!

Hey, it's Arab spring magic alright! And I thought Mongolia was more of a chinese pet so my bad.
 
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