Good work. I did notice that some stuff seemed to turn from unruled to a lake.
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Actually somehow got my islands switched around.
Fixed now. Turkey: an authoritarian monarchy, with something of a chip on it's shoulder. Less Turkish-nationalist than OTL: as long as you are a Muslim, you can climb high with no issues about being a Kurd or an Arab or the descendant of Balkan refugees. There's a glass ceiling for Jews and Christians, but with no Israel Jews aren't actively persecuted. Christians vary: Greeks have a very hard time of it, Arab Christians are OK, etc. It's a middle income country with a disproportionately large army from being in a bad neighborhood.
Iraq: well, think of a leftier version of Saddam's Iraq. Has the bomb now.
Managed to avoid being swallowed up in Greater India when the British left in a hurry, and currently follow a path of neutrality, albeit a left-leaning one. Have some fairly close relations with fellow Buddhists in Thailand and Indochina. Relations with India can be described as "coldly correct": fortunately for them India, like the Socialist Union, tries to create a post-ethnic, post-religious identity for India, so the Indian leadership tends to think of Tamil nationalists moaning about the oppression of Tamils in Sri Lanka as probable reactionaries and possibly "splitters."
Bruce
Are you going to continue work on the TL or has it stalled? Because I rather enjoyed it.
Why? I can see New England plus Maryland and a few other Northern stated seceding from the Union INSTEAD of the South, but both at once? No way, without bloody good reason.
Besides that, interesting. Good stuff. Ruined by one thing, though: Africa, which as you have it is beyond ASB. Colonies which existed before the ACW such as Cabinda and Gambia are ignored; how did France win against 'the strongest' in Gambia, especially when they had ceded territory there a few years before the POD? How and why did Belgium take Cabinda, which was one of the most Portuguese parts of Angola? Moving on from that, almost every single border in your Africa is OTL and from past the POD; further, most of them existed for specific and very unlikely reasons, and more then a few were made up on the spot. Maybe I could see certain ones showing up in another TL, but the majority simply aren't going to happen- if you are really lazy enough to skip drawing your own, at least throw in some from the existing 1890 and 1910 maps for variety (Also notice how both of those don't even start to resemble your own and how both are radically different despite being 20 years appart...)
That's amazing! I'm very flattered. I'm surprised no one else noticed Pendragon though, that would make an interesting crossover
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My effort to map the Earth Kingdom states shown in Korra. Couldn't get a clear map of the whole thing.
Hope you don't mind, but I decided to take a crack at filling in the rest. Seeing as the various views of the map we have are contradictory I decided the best thing was to do a give and take with them and came out with this:
Witch0Winter
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I'm really glad you liked it! I don't think it quite does the original map justice, but I don't think I did a terrible job, at least. And hey, a story about a royal alt-America in exile needed at least a little reference.That's amazing! I'm very flattered. I'm surprised no one else noticed Pendragon though, that would make an interesting crossover
Oh, just one more questions: how come Canadian northern New England and independent NE? US get seriously bitch-slapped in an alternate war of 1812?
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civil war is not the PoD (not sure what is at the moment tbh) it's just something that happens.
fair points about Cabinda and Gambia, I just thought it looked a bit better on the map.
are you saying that anyone who uses otl borders with a confederate victory is lazy though? because I've seen plenty of maps which do that with no one complaining about it
I am, it's currently undergoing some revisions in my notes as progress on it stalled over the summer thanks to real life issues.
Been busy, but another map. Much smaller, though the entire world will come in the future.
POD was the survival of President Kennedy in 1963. After reelection, scandals concerning his extramarital affairs and possible Mafia connections turned the public's attention away from the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was not passed, Kennedy served out the remainder of his term, and many riots broke out. Segregationists blamed Malcolm X and Martin Luther King; the growing fear of many Americans led them to support the American Independence Party in 1968. The Wallace/LeMay ticket won, resulting in an aggressive administration that escalated Vietnam into nuclear war. The result is this.
A rump US exists in the northeast, minus Canadian-occupied Maine and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Centred in Philadelphia is the emergency military government set up by then-VP Curtis LeMay after the War. LeMay is still President in 1990, though he is elderly, sickly, and a pawn of a military junta.
The American Empire has emerged in the South, based in Montgomery. The American Independence (later Imperial) Party managed to create an expansionist, segregationist republic. The AE is run by a President and Congress. Its main ally is the Republic of Texas, and the two are expanding into the warlord territories (Dakota, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Montana) and unclaimed, unorganised regions like New Mexico and Colorado. The AE and Texas are widely recognised internationally.
Cascadia is relatively new, a liberal democracy supported by UN relief efforts and Canadian military support. California is an authoritarian republic with closed borders and a puppet state, the Free State of Las Vegas.
Mexico and Canada have closed their borders because of the huge numbers of US refugees over the years; Cuba is a nuclear wasteland; and the American territories in the Caribbean (just out of view) are under British administration.
Been busy, but another map. Much smaller, though the entire world will come in the future.
POD was the survival of President Kennedy in 1963. After reelection, scandals concerning his extramarital affairs and possible Mafia connections turned the public's attention away from the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was not passed, Kennedy served out the remainder of his term, and many riots broke out. Segregationists blamed Malcolm X and Martin Luther King; the growing fear of many Americans led them to support the American Independence Party in 1968. The Wallace/LeMay ticket won, resulting in an aggressive administration that escalated Vietnam into nuclear war. The result is this.
A rump US exists in the northeast, minus Canadian-occupied Maine and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Centred in Philadelphia is the emergency military government set up by then-VP Curtis LeMay after the War. LeMay is still President in 1990, though he is elderly, sickly, and a pawn of a military junta.
The American Empire has emerged in the South, based in Montgomery. The American Independence (later Imperial) Party managed to create an expansionist, segregationist republic. The AE is run by a President and Congress. Its main ally is the Republic of Texas, and the two are expanding into the warlord territories (Dakota, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Montana) and unclaimed, unorganised regions like New Mexico and Colorado. The AE and Texas are widely recognised internationally.
Cascadia is relatively new, a liberal democracy supported by UN relief efforts and Canadian military support. California is an authoritarian republic with closed borders and a puppet state, the Free State of Las Vegas.
Mexico and Canada have closed their borders because of the huge numbers of US refugees over the years; Cuba is a nuclear wasteland; and the American territories in the Caribbean (just out of view) are under British administration.
I like it. How is Europe? And Asia?
Life in Europe goes on as normal. West and East Germany have united, most communist governments have undergone reforms, and there is a single European Community that promotes trade between the continent. The UK is also the world's rising star.
Asia is also generally untouched, with the exception of China. The Republic of China has expanded to the mainland, but the People's Republic stubbornly remains alive despite the nuclear bombing of Beijing. South Korea annexed the North. And Japan never suffered an economic crash.
Hows the USSR? is Nato still around? Brits in charge I suppose or someone else?
The USSR survives, but a few republics have become independent. And warlords have risen up within its borders. NATO exists, and yes, the Brits are in charge.
*Swoons and falls over* I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'd be interested to see a full map, and if at all possible, I'd recommend a timeline (Mostly on account of the fact that its em...a rather unique take on Kennedy surviving, to say the least)
Turning the Tables
I have a lot of maps, but I'll upload a fave of mine:
So basically, the main thing that happens is that Ireland and England swap roles. What does this mean, exactly? Just a little rump England and a big UK of Ireland and Great Britain? No. It means a lot of things are different, as the blank shows above. However, many states are similar/same in borders (at least in Europe)
Ireland includes itself, the Isle of Mann, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and two regions known as Northern England and Lhearpoll (Liverpool, thank you Google Translate). Northern England is essentially N. Ireland, and the rump England claims it (but not Lhearpoll), there was a Plantation of the Midlands, and pretty much every other thing in the history of the two countries.
Now for the map key. It's pretty much what's on the package, but in case you don't know:
Blue: Catholic
Purple: Protestant
Dark Purple: Mixed Catholic/Protestant
Red: Orthodox
Magenta: Mixed Catholic/Orthodox
Aqua: Judaism
Light Aqua: Mixed Judaism/Christianity
Green: Islam
Sea Green: Mixed Islam/Judaism
Dark Sea Green: Mixed Islam/Christianity
I have a lot of maps, but I'll upload a fave of mine:
So basically, the main thing that happens is that Ireland and England swap roles. What does this mean, exactly? Just a little rump England and a big UK of Ireland and Great Britain? No. It means a lot of things are different, as the blank shows above. However, many states are similar/same in borders (at least in Europe
)Ireland includes itself, the Isle of Mann, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and two regions known as Northern England and Lhearpoll (Liverpool, thank you Google Translate). Northern England is essentially N. Ireland, and the rump England claims it (but not Lhearpoll), there was a Plantation of the Midlands, and pretty much every other thing in the history of the two countries.
Now for the map key. It's pretty much what's on the package, but in case you don't know:
Blue: Catholic
Purple: Protestant
Dark Purple: Mixed Catholic/Protestant
Red: Orthodox
Magenta: Mixed Catholic/Orthodox
Aqua: Judaism
Light Aqua: Mixed Judaism/Christianity
Green: Islam
Sea Green: Mixed Islam/Judaism
Dark Sea Green: Mixed Islam/Christianity
I'm usually quite busy, but I suppose making a timeline would be a good idea.
As for the full map, I've been working on it at different times throughout the day, and I'm actually quite liking it. I'll post it as soon as it's done.
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