Despite being for a morally repugnant cause, I believe this moment would make for an ABSOLUTELY great scene in a film with the right people making it.
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Despite being for a morally repugnant cause, I believe this moment would make for an ABSOLUTELY great scene in a film with the right people making it.
More on the status of the Czechs will be revealed soon with the upcoming Second War of German Unification. As for Czech Nationalism it definitely exists within Bohemia but the problem is that they're under heavy attack from Franz Ferdinand and the rest of Austria. In Texas Czech culture and Nationalism is able to thrive without any restrictions. This will lead to some of the leading Czech Nationalists in the 20th century coming from Texas. For now let's just say that the future of Czechia will get complicated with Germany involved as Wilhelm sees Bohemia as his rightful territory due to historical boundaries with the HRE.
Sadly as much as I would like for an extremely short civil war it will not be happening. Even under the best case scenario where Confederate borders remain where they are now it would still lead into 1862 at the very least to get the job done. After all there's no way I would've kept on hinting of the grand conflict of the Civil War if it was just a couple of months. Would've been called the Dixie Rebellion than a true Civil War. Finally I should note that so far events have mostly preceeded near OTL with major exceptions being Texas not joining and Toombs presence in the CSA as president. Ripples and immense changes will start to form next Civil War post with the end of May having an entirely different scenario than OTL. Mainly the allegiance of some OTL Confederate states.
It's more than likely that Lincoln will pass the Emancipation Proclamation sometime in 1862/1863 while the 13th (14th TTL) amendment will get passed at the end of the war. The real problem is how the 15th and 16th amendment are going to get passed with the "controversy" of citizenship and voting rights. Also remember that if more slave states stay in the Union then the heavier the opposition for the passing of an amendment. Slavery will be abolished. However the real fight will begin with Civil Rights.
Hawaii will be dealt with sometime by the end of the 19th century. As for Texan Hawaii I will say that it stands a greater chance of happening with Texan California and the lower U.S investment in the Pacific than OTL.
The Great Depression is going to be far more different TTL due to the different Great War and in some cases might not have the same damaging effects. I will say for now that the economy is a major reason that Long was elected as President. Though the controversy with his election is more due to Democratic infighting since Long is a Radical Outsider and due to Long's past activities within the state of Louisiana.
Virginia and North Carolina will be dealt with in 3 American chapters from now. Their roles in the Civil War and those of the overall border states will be far more different than OTL. And it's all due to the actions of one man who I've been having make regular apperances in this timeline. A huge hint lies in the last sentence.
Thanks! Toombs is overall a fun character to write as he's not a maniacal villain that wants to lead the CSA just for slavery but genuinely feels that the future of the South is being threatened. It's going to make future textbook and narrative chapters with him really fun. Though in the eyes of the United States he will be seen as the greatest traitor for decades to come. Yeah...Bobby may need to catch the fastest boat ride to Cuba once an Appomattox event comes.
Thanks for the comment, you actually gave me a really great idea for a movie in a future pop culture post. It will most likely be called "Burying Dixie."
I actually meant the last sentence of chapter 69. But yes, you are right in your guess.
Yeah maybe it can be like the ATL equivalent to WatchMojo and their Top 10 Best Movie Speeches list.
Yeah, suddenly Benedict Arnold is not looking so bad to many people right about now. Again, Toombs will be the answer to a trivia question ITTL...
And it should be states, not nations, that remained neutral, Kaiser Chris.
Other than that, good chapters (we should be seeing the deaths of some of the Texan founding fathers soon, given that we are in the 1860s (Sam Houston died in 1863)). This decade might be known as the "Bloody Sixties."
One other TL that did have an independent Texas was Lone Star Republic by Kris Overstreet on Google Groups (that had a PoD of 1842, IIRC; it's somewhere on the alternatehistory.com website). Don't change the title, though; it's a good one.
And it should be states, not nations, that remained neutral, Kaiser Chris.
Other than that, good chapters (we should be seeing the deaths of some of the Texan founding fathers soon, given that we are in the 1860s (Sam Houston died in 1863)). This decade might be known as the "Bloody Sixties."
One other TL that did have an independent Texas was Lone Star Republic by Kris Overstreet on Google Groups (that had a PoD of 1842, IIRC; it's somewhere on the alternatehistory.com website). Don't change the title, though; it's a good one.
1860 Official Republic of Texas Census
Arizona: 73,258
California: 1,429,748
Deseret: 239,065
Texas: 2,104,215
Total Population: 3,843,286
Top 10 Cities of the Republic of Texas in terms of Population 1860
Just a little taste about how much the demographics of Texas have changed based on Chapter 68. The high changes as previously said are due to Texas' extremely liberal immigration policies, high birth rates all around, and counting of natives as citizens. Slaves are not counted in the census but there are around 100,000 slaves in Texas during 1860. Chapter 70 will come out on the weekend.
Also in regards to founding Texans we will have some die off in the 60's, though I don't plan for that to happen until immediately after the Mexican War. Meanwhile some Texans like Crockett and Travis will have their lifespans be longer due to them staying alive for several decades. When the 1870's ends we will start to see a new generation of Texans start to takeover with Louis Philippe being a prime case. While I will include plenty of historical Texans, Utah people, Arizonans, and Californians, there will be plenty of more OC's due to the new waves of immigration. Stick around and soon we'll see the Civil War and the Mexican War coming. Here's a sneak peek of future chapters:
Chapter 70 The State of Mexico Chapter 71 Asia and New Imperialism. Chapter 72 Fort Sumter and Petersburg Chapter 73 The German Question. Some other chapters may come before or in between but these will be definite posts in the future.
Arizona: 73,258
California: 1,429,748
Deseret: 239,065
Texas: 2,104,215
Total Population: 3,843,286
Top 10 Cities of the Republic of Texas in terms of Population 1860
- San Francisco: 349,233
- San Antonio: 303,236
- Galveston: 254,871
- New Braunfels: 157,325
- Nacogdoches: 113,589
- Monterrey: 108,232
- Fredricksburg: 66,246
- San Diego: 60,444
- West: 52,168
- Salt Lake City: 46,531
Just a little taste about how much the demographics of Texas have changed based on Chapter 68. The high changes as previously said are due to Texas' extremely liberal immigration policies, high birth rates all around, and counting of natives as citizens. Slaves are not counted in the census but there are around 100,000 slaves in Texas during 1860. Chapter 70 will come out on the weekend.
Also in regards to founding Texans we will have some die off in the 60's, though I don't plan for that to happen until immediately after the Mexican War. Meanwhile some Texans like Crockett and Travis will have their lifespans be longer due to them staying alive for several decades. When the 1870's ends we will start to see a new generation of Texans start to takeover with Louis Philippe being a prime case. While I will include plenty of historical Texans, Utah people, Arizonans, and Californians, there will be plenty of more OC's due to the new waves of immigration. Stick around and soon we'll see the Civil War and the Mexican War coming. Here's a sneak peek of future chapters:
Chapter 70 The State of Mexico Chapter 71 Asia and New Imperialism. Chapter 72 Fort Sumter and Petersburg Chapter 73 The German Question. Some other chapters may come before or in between but these will be definite posts in the future.
Speaking of Slavery, will the exodus of Confederate into Texas affect when and how the emancipation will go down in Texas. Because I see this ending the same way it did in the Empire of Brazil IRL.
Remind me how that ended, all I can remember is bloodshed everywhere.
The former Slaveowners overthrew the monarchy and created a republic.
And unlikely to happen in Texas here.
Speaking of Brazil, will we be getting any updates on developments in South America and how it's changed
in having Peru-Bolivia stay together?
Happy Texas Independence Day to all of our Readers!!! I have to admit that I kind of dropped the ball for today even though it's TTL Texas' big day. I thought that Independence Day was March 6th and was probably going to have the Mexican War chapter come out on that day. Unfortunately I was quite busy and wasn't able to work too much today. Tomorrow I'll try to include a little special to highlight celebrations TTL along with a speech by President Seguin. Feel so bad about this missed opportunity. Hopefully I'll remember next year.
Speaking of Texas Independence, I'd like to come at you guys today with a little PSA. Last Saturday I was able to travel with my dad to go see the San Jacinto Monument in San Jacinto, Texas. Unfortunately while the battlefield isn't well kept like the Civil War ones up North, the museum still is a great spot of Texan history and includes several cool artifacts such as Santa Anna's sword and personal possessions of Houston and some of the other Founding Father's, along with several awesome antique weapons. At the same time you can travel right down the street to go see the famous USS Texas, the only Battleship to have served in both world wars. Unfortunately while the monument is free it doesn't receive that much public funding through donations or taxpayers dollars. In addition there was supposed to be a planned expansion museum in the area to add even more exhibits and artifacts, but due to low support that's been put on hold even though plans were drawn in 2013. While there are organizations such as Daughters of the Republic that help contribute their time to the cause, it's not enough to keep our great monument to independence running as to how it's supposed to. So in the end I'd like to ask you guys that if you are visiting the Houston area or your driving near San Jacinto, that you take the time to visit this important historical landmark to Texan independence. It's a one of a kind opportunity that I'm sure any history buff wouldn't forget. This is not an official ad by any organization, but rather a plea from a patriotic Texan who'd like to see his state's nationhood receive some love outside the Alamo. Come today or we'll send President Crockett to hunt you down!!! JK, seriously though Happy Texas Independence Day!
P.S Driving through the area you will experience a high smell of chemicals due to nearby refineries. Hey, it's not Texas without our oil.
Happy independence day. Yes I'll second that san Jacinto and the Texas are very cool to go see. I've been there, the Alamo, Gonzales, LA bahia in Goliad, Washington on the Brazos, and the coleto Creek battlefield. If you've not been to those I would highly recommend it. Especially Washington-on-the-BrazosHappy Texas Independence Day to all of our Readers!!! I have to admit that I kind of dropped the ball for today even though it's TTL Texas' big day. I thought that Independence Day was March 6th and was probably going to have the Mexican War chapter come out on that day. Unfortunately I was quite busy and wasn't able to work too much today. Tomorrow I'll try to include a little special to highlight celebrations TTL along with a speech by President Seguin. Feel so bad about this missed opportunity. Hopefully I'll remember next year.
Speaking of Texas Independence, I'd like to come at you guys today with a little PSA. Last Saturday I was able to travel with my dad to go see the San Jacinto Monument in San Jacinto, Texas. Unfortunately while the battlefield isn't well kept like the Civil War ones up North, the museum still is a great spot of Texan history and includes several cool artifacts such as Santa Anna's sword and personal possessions of Houston and some of the other Founding Father's, along with several awesome antique weapons. At the same time you can travel right down the street to go see the famous USS Texas, the only Battleship to have served in both world wars. Unfortunately while the monument is free it doesn't receive that much public funding through donations or taxpayers dollars. In addition there was supposed to be a planned expansion museum in the area to add even more exhibits and artifacts, but due to low support that's been put on hold even though plans were drawn in 2013. While there are organizations such as Daughters of the Republic that help contribute their time to the cause, it's not enough to keep our great monument to independence running as to how it's supposed to. So in the end I'd like to ask you guys that if you are visiting the Houston area or your driving near San Jacinto, that you take the time to visit this important historical landmark to Texan independence. It's a one of a kind opportunity that I'm sure any history buff wouldn't forget. This is not an official ad by any organization, but rather a plea from a patriotic Texan who'd like to see his state's nationhood receive some love outside the Alamo. Come today or we'll send President Crockett to hunt you down!!! JK, seriously though Happy Texas Independence Day!
P.S Driving through the area you will experience a high smell of chemicals due to nearby refineries. Hey, it's not Texas without our oil.
Trust me mate, if I'm ever in Houston area, I'll go visit San Jacinto and definitely will have money to donate to the Museum/Upkeep of the Place.
You have just given another good reason to start a road trip starting from Texas, other than seeing NASA and Funimation. Although I do wish to see how the Houston Rodeo Show compares to the Calgary Stampede in Alberta Canada.
Just wondering but is it true that there are ranches devoted to endangered wild life from Africa?
Always wanted to go to Calgary Stampede but I haven't. The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is huge though it is definitely something to go see if you like that sort of stuff I went there every year in high school when I showed animals and it was always a good time.
Hmmmmmmm I don't know if we have any for endangering African wildlife but we do have several exotic ranches that are filled with African animals as well as animals from other part of the world for hunting
I'm glad I have friends in the Sasquatch community. If any group can keep me safe from you Texans and your crazy presidents... =P
Jokes aside, if I'm ever down in Texas I'll make an effort to at least see at least one of the two. Oh, and happy belated Texas Independence day.