List of US presidents in case of Confederate victory.
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Even if you can pull off a Confederate victory (defined here as maintaining independence), the big problem is that a generation later, there will be a rematch, which the Union wins comfortably.
A Confederacy surviving to, say, 1880 is a longshot, but do-able. Having Seward rather than Lincoln would probably help. A Confederacy beyond 1900? Fantasy.
A Confederacy surviving to, say, 1880 is a longshot, but do-able. Having Seward rather than Lincoln would probably help. A Confederacy beyond 1900? Fantasy.
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)♤
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican)♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤ ♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).[/QUOTE]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican)♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤ ♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).[/QUOTE]
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)♤
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican)♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
1913-1917: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1917-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤ ♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican)♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
1913-1917: Hiram Johnson (Progressive)
1917-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤ ♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
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But Lincoln lost the war, people would see this as voting for the Party that lost us the war.
Your lucky California hasn't succeeded from the losing side.
Second this.
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) ♤
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) ♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
1913-1920: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jacksons (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) ♤♤
1905-1913: Theodore Roosvelt (Progressive)
1913-1920: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party)
♤ - Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
♤♤ - Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jackson (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party)
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) [3]
1925-1929: Eugene Victor Debs (Socialist Party)
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1869: Andrew Jackson (Republican)
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican)
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig)
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party)
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) [3]
1925-1929: Eugene Victor Debs (Socialist Party)
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
Didn't Eugene V. Debs die of heart failure on October 20, 1926, at the age of 70? How is this cured doing one of the most stressful job in the world for another 3 years?
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Jackson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th [4]
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th [4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th [4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
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Grey Wolf
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Is this a set in stone list or something, not a discussion?
Why would the Republicans win an election when they just lost the war?
They were a new US party in an age of party flux. I would think it far more likely that the existing parties would splinter and new parties adapted to the scenario of defeat would emerge.
In that circumstance, a charismatic politician not identified with Washington or the war would seem most likely to win the first general election.
Later as sentiments cool, a veteran of the war who had a record that was unsullied by eventual defeat would be likely - maybe Sheridan if all he did was win in the West while the war was lost in the East
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
Why would the Republicans win an election when they just lost the war?
They were a new US party in an age of party flux. I would think it far more likely that the existing parties would splinter and new parties adapted to the scenario of defeat would emerge.
In that circumstance, a charismatic politician not identified with Washington or the war would seem most likely to win the first general election.
Later as sentiments cool, a veteran of the war who had a record that was unsullied by eventual defeat would be likely - maybe Sheridan if all he did was win in the West while the war was lost in the East
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
Washington? I assume you mean Lincoln?
At least the Democratic Party would have troubles. They had their strenth in the south and were also associated with the Confederates. In OTL, they survived just because the south returned to the union. But maybe one would have got two new rebranded parties? One would probably also get some realignments with some people formerly in the same party joining different parties and so on.
At least the Democratic Party would have troubles. They had their strenth in the south and were also associated with the Confederates. In OTL, they survived just because the south returned to the union. But maybe one would have got two new rebranded parties? One would probably also get some realignments with some people formerly in the same party joining different parties and so on.
Washington D.C., the city. I believe he was referring to someone from outside the government establishment based in Washington.
Well yes, but the reasons the Republicans dominated was because they were the party that won the war. There is no way Lincoln is re-elected if he loses half the country in his first term.
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Jackson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1948: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Jackson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1948: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31th
[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
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But if the Democratic party were too weak to have a realistic chance of coming back, wouldn't the Republicans split in two long before 1900? Isn't that what lack of a serious opponent generally does to a party?
Yes, I assume you are right there. Maybe a two-party-system would have developed along an east-west-line? I noticed that before the Civil War there had been a Free Soil Party. Maybe a more successful Populist Party?