List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Carlos II of Spain & Portugal (b. 1629 d. 1683) m. Mariana of Austria (b. 1634 d. 1696)
  1. Maria Anna of Spain (b. 1659 d. 1678)
  2. Carlos III of Spain & Portugal (b. 1660 d. 1702) m. Marie Thérèse of France (b. 1667 d. 1710)
  3. Margarita Teresa of Spain (b. 1661 d. 1699) m. Louis, Grand Dauphin (b. 1661 d. 1711)
  4. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1662 d. 1662)
  5. Infante Felipe of Spain (b. 1663 d. 1676)
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isabella

Nova_Philomena said:
Carlos II of Spain & Portugal (b. 1629 d. 1683) m. Mariana of Austria (b. 1634 d. 1696)
  1. Maria Anna of Spain (b. 1659 d. 1678)
  2. Carlos III of Spain & Portugal (b. 1660 d. 1702) m. Marie Thérèse of France (b. 1667 d. 1710)
  3. Margarita Teresa of Spain (b. 1661 d. 1699) m. Louis, Grand Dauphin (b. 1661 d. 1711)
  4. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1662 d. 1662)
  5. Infante Felipe of Spain (b. 1663 d. 1676)
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That double French match sound pretty unlikely. Also why the kids are born so late (starting a whole decade after Mariana‘s OTL children)?
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Gender-bent children of Francis and Claude

Francis I of France m. Claude of France

1) Louis XIII of France m. a) Mary of England, b) Barbara of Austria
2) Charles of France m. Anne of Cleves
3) Claude of France m. Henry, Duke of Cornwall
4) Anne of France m. James V of Scotland
5) John of France m. Anne of Lorraine
6) Charlotte of France m. Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy
7) Francis of France - became cardinal
 

AkhenatenOrRamses

ordinarylittleme said:
Gender-bent children of Francis and Claude

Francis I of France m. Claude of France

1) Louis XIII of France m. a) Mary of England, b) Barbara of Austria
2) Charles of France m. Anne of Cleves
3) Claude of France m. Henry, Duke of Cornwall
4) Anne of France m. James V of Scotland
5) John of France m. Anne of Lorraine
6) Charlotte of France m. Emmanuel Philibert of Savoy
7) Francis of France - became cardinal
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Im assuming Mary is the OTL daughter of Henry VIII. Does she still claim England after Edward VI's death or does Edward live longer?
 
The Gybson Boy

The Gybson Boy

The Gybson Boy said:
PoD: Mary I's pregnancies in 1554-1555 and 1557-1557 are real

- Mary I, Queen of England (February 18, 1516 - November 10, 1564) (Died at 48) m. Felipe II, King of the Spains (May 21, 1527 - September 13, 1598) (Died at 71)
1.Phillip II, King of England (April 30, 1555 - December 01, 1633) (Died at 78) married Anna of Austria (November 02, 1549 - November 01, 1621) (Died at 71)
  1. Philip III, King of England (February 12, 1570 - January 07, 1642) (Died at 71) married a)Louise Henriette of France (September 12, 1575 - April 08, 1608) (Died at 32)[1]; b)Jadwiga of Poland (June 25, 1588 - December 01, 1657) (Died at 69) [2]
    1. a)Princess Catherine of England (June 14, 1592 )
    2. a)Philip IV, King of England (October 26, 1594)
    3. a)Princess Mary of England (January 31, 1596)
    4. a)Princess Philippa of England (August 31, 1598)
    5. a)Philip, Duke of Carrickfergus (April 30, 1600)
    6. a)Princess Henrietta Anna of England (November 30, 1604)
    7. b)Princess Cecily of England (August 30, 1613 -)
    8. b)Princess Hedwig of England (October 30, 1615 -)
  2. Mary, Holy Roman Empress (March 04, 1572 - November 03, 1631) (Died at 59) married Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (January 20, 1579 - January 21, 1640) (Died at 61) [3]
    1. Katharina of Austria (May 06, 1601)
    2. Christina of Austria (September 30, 1603)
    3. Maximilian of Austria (June 30, 1605 - November 06, 1606) (Died at 01)
    4. Maria of Austria (January 29, 1609)
    5. Anna of Austria (December 27, 1611)
    6. Ferdinand III Paul, Holy Roman Emperor (October 21, 1615)
  3. Charles, 1st Duke of York (June 01, 1574 - April 20, 1634) (Died at 59) married Margaret Stuart (January 11, 1575 - March 19, 1637) (Died at 62) [4]
    1. Anthony, 2nd Duke of York (June 13, 1590)
    2. Mary of York (October 04, 1592)
    3. Philippa of York (April 30, 1595)
    4. Charles of York (March 13, 1597)
  4. Arthur, 1st Duke of Richmond (December 18, 1575 - November 09, 1631) (Died at 55) married Elizabeth Manners, 15th Baroness Ros (January 1574 or 1575 - 06 August 1625) (Died at 51)
    1. Philip, 2nd Duke of Richmond (March 20, 1595 - October 10, 1648) (Died at 53)
    2. Elizabeth of Richmond (February 07, 1598 - March 17, 1667) (Died at 69)
  5. Catherine, Queen of France (December 02, 1576 -October 17, 1632) (Died at 55) marrie Henri IV, King of France (November 17, 1581 - June 11, 1655) (Died at 73)
    1. Henri V, King of France (February 07, 1598)
    2. Charles, Duke of Anjou (December 28, 1600)
  6. Edmund, Duke of Leinster (October 02, 1578 - May 27, 1629) (Died at 50) married Lady Mary Howard (July 07, 1585 - November 09, 1636) (Died at 51) [5]
    1. Anne of Leinster (April 18, 1602)
    2. Catherine of Leinster (December 25, 1604)
    3. Mary of Leinster (August 23, 1608)
    4. Elizabeth of Leinster (August 23, 1608)
  7. Philippa, Princess of Asturias (August 09, 1580 - April 14, 1651) (Died at 70) married Fernando, Prince of Asturias (March 01, 1582 - November 01, 1625) (Died at 43) [6]
    1. Felipe, Prince of Asturias (Ocotber 11, 1598)
    2. Infante Juan of Spain (July 31, 1600)
    3. Infanta Isabel Filipina of Spain (October 12, 1602)
    4. Infanta Mariana da Anunciación of Spain (March 25, 1605)
    5. Infanta Cristina of Spain (July 24, 1608)
  8. Agnes, Queen of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (January 21, 1584 - May 06, 1650) (Died at 66) married Christian IV, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (June 09, 1595 - November 07, 1662) (Died at 77) [7]
    1. Princess Agnes of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (May 03, 1604)
    2. Harald IV, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (August 04, 1606)
    3. Princess Katharina of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (September 19, 1609)
    4. Prince Christian of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (June 15, 1614)
  9. Sophia, Duchess of Savoy (May 17, 1586 - September 15, 1632) (Died at 46) married Filippo Emanuele I, Duke of Savoy (April 02, 1586 - May 24, 1638) (Died at 52) [8]
    1. Carlo Emanuele of Savoy (February 08, 1604 - April 04, 1617) (Died at 13)
    2. Filippo Emanuele II, Duke of Savoy (July 06, 1608)
    3. Sofia Dorotea (October 28, 1611)
    4. Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy (February 24, 1613)
    5. Francesco of Savoy (April 07, 1617)
    6. Maria Elizabetta of Savoy (March 21, 1620)
2.Catherine, Holy Roman Empress (March 25, 1558 - May 17, 1621) (Died at 63) married Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (March 28, 1551 - December 25, 1614) (Died at 63) [9]
  1. Maria Magdalena, Crown Archduchess-Infanta of Milan (July 22, 1577 - November 04, 1613) (Died at 36) married Carlo, Crown Archduke-Infante of Milan (November 20, 1582 - February 17, 1646) (Died at 63) [10]
    1. No Children
  2. Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (January 20, 1579 - January 21, 1640) (Died at 61) married Mary of England (March 04, 1572 - November 03, 1631) (Died at 59)
    1. Katharina of Austria (May 06, 1601)
    2. Christina of Austria (September 30, 1603)
    3. Maximilian of Austria (June 30, 1605 - November 06, 1606) (Died at 01)
    4. Maria of Austria (January 29, 1609)
    5. Anna of Austria (December 27, 1611)
    6. Ferdinand III Paul, Holy Roman Emperor (October 21, 1615)
  3. Maximilian I, Byzantine Emperor (February 17, 1581 - November 08, 1641) (Died at 60) (Archduke Maximilian III of Further Austria between 1595 and 1619) [11] married a)Maria, Archduchess of Further Austria (June 16, 1585 - February 1, 1609) (Died at 24) [12]; b)Olga of Russia (July 08, 1585 - Ocotber 13, 1650) (Died at 65)
    1. a)Maria of Austria (December 11, 1603 -)
    2. b)Constantine XII, Byzantine Emperor (October 13, 1619)
    3. b)Maximilian, Duke of Sparta (February 17, 1621)
    4. b)Olga of Byzantium (May 21, 1625)
  4. Katharina, Duchess Consort of Parma (May 01, 1583 - December 26, 1627) (Died at 44) married Ranuccio I, Duke of Parma (March 28, 1569 - March 05, 1622) (Died at 52)
    1. Maria Farnesse (March 29, 1599)
    2. Oddoardo I, Duke of Parma (July 15, 1600)
    3. Francesco Maria Farnesse (April 16, 1603)
    4. Alessandro Farnesse (October 30, 1606)
    5. Caterina Farnesse (February 08, 1611)
  5. Emma, Duchess Consort of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (April 15, 1585 -June 2, 1655) (Died at 70) married Wilhelm II, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (September 09, 1575 - May 06, 1621) (Died at 45) [13]
    1. Emma of Cleves (August 02, 1601)
    2. Karl II, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (March 16, 1604)
    3. Dorothea of Cleves (November 25, 1606 - August 29, 1611) (Died at 04)
    4. Katharina of Cleves (June 25, 1609)
    5. Wilhelm of Cleves (October 25, 1612 - December 12, 1616) (Died at 04)
    6. Sybille of Cleves (January 08, 1615 - April 05, 1629) (Died at 14)
    7. Johanna of Cleves (November 14, 1619 - June 07, 1626) (Died at 06)
  6. Cardinal Ferdinand III, Archduke of Further Austria (March 31, 1588) [14]
[1]Daughter of Henri III and Louise of Lorraine
[2]Sigismund II Augustus has children with Catherine of Austria in 1555, Jadwiga is the granddaughter of Sigismund II
[3]This is not Rudolf II from OTL, but rather a son of OTL Rudolf II's older brother, Ferdinand, who in OTL died in infancy
[4]Margaret Stuart is the second daughter of Mary, Queen of Scots and Henry, Lord Danley
[5]OTL Twin Sister, Thomas Howard, 14th Earl of Arundel
[6] With Mary I living longer, the marriage of Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois ends up being successful, Fernando is the eldest son of Carlos III, the eldest son of Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois. Unfortunately, both Fernando and his son Felipe die before Carlos III and Carlos ends up being succeeded by his great-grandson Carlos IV Baltazar
[7] Hans of Denmark survived and Christian IV was able to regain the throne of Denmark, Norway and Sweden in the Count's Feud, Christian IV is the Great-Great Grandson of Christian II and the Great-Grandson of Hans II
[8]The marriage of Emanule Filisbert of Savoy and Elizabeth Tudor took place in 1559, Filippo Emanuele I is their grandson
[9]Ferdinand II is the eldest son of Maximilian II who died in OTL, here it is OTL Rudolf II who dies in 1554 and Ferdinand lives
[10]In 1580, Philip II of Spain passes the Duchy of Milan to the second son of Don Carlos and Elisabeth of Valois, Filippo II, Duke of Milan, Carlo is the son of Filippo II
[11] A dynastic civil war occurred in the Ottoman Empire from 1598 to 1612, giving the Christians the perfect opportunity to launch a Tenth Crusade, leading to the restoration of the Byzantine Empire in 1619.
[12]Daughter of Ferdinand II of Austria, she died giving birth to the couple's only daughter
[13]Karl Wilhelm of Jülich-Cleves-Berg survives and has children, Wilhelm II is his eldest son
[14] After Maximilian became Emperor of Byzantium in 1619 he renounced his title of Archduke of Additional Austria in favor of his brother, but Ferdinand ended up refusing to abandon his vows to marry
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PoD: Mary I's pregnancies in 1554-1555 and 1557-1557 are real and Elizabeth marries Emanuele Feliberto in 1559
- Elizabeth Tudor (September 07, 1533 - October 18, 1594) (Died at 61) m. Emanuele Filiberto I, Duke of Savoy (July 08, 1528 - August 30, 1580) (Died at 52)
1. Elisabetta, Crown Princess of Portugal (December 29, 1559 - August 27, 1584) (Died at 24) [1] married Carlos, Crown Prince of Portugal (March 11, 1561 - August 18, 1632) (Died at 71) (Carlos III, King of All Spain after 1608) [2]
  1. Infanta Isabel of Austria (August 20, 1579)
  2. Fernando, Prince of Asturias (March 01, 1582) [3]
  3. Infanta Maria of Austria (June 14, 1583)
  4. Infanta Catalina of Austria (August 23, 1584)
2.Carlo Emanuele I, Duke of Savoy (November 30, 1560 - November 05, 1627) (Died at 66) married Lucrezia d'Este (April 12, 1559 - August 08, 1629) (Died at 70) [4]
  1. Filippo Emanuele I, Duke of Savoy (April 02, 1586)
  2. Vittorio I, King of Jerusalem (May 08, 1587) [5]
  3. Margherita of Savoy (April 28, 1589)
  4. Elisabetta of Savoy (March 11, 1591)
  5. Pope Urban IX (Before Know as Alfonso, Cardinal of Savoy) (January 10, 1593) [6]
3.Tommaso Filiberto, 1st Prince of Carignano (September 07, 1562 - August 07, 1600) (Died at 31) married Antoinette, Princess Consort of Carignano (April 23, 1567 or August 26, 1568 - April 14, 1618) [7]
  1. Antonietta of Savoy (November 22, 1588 -)
  2. Francesco, 2nd Prince of Carignano (September 23, 1596 -)
4.Maria of Savoy (April 11, 1563 - November 05, 1569) (Died at 06)
[1]Eldest daughter of Elizabeth and Emanuele Filiberto, her christening generated a huge fight between her parents as the Duke absolutely refused to allow his daughter to be baptized as Ana. Elisabetta married the son of Don Carlos, who at that time was only heir from the throne of Portugal, she died giving birth to a girl in 1584
[2]Sebastian of Portugal dies as OTL, but Don Carlos lives and assumes the Portuguese throne in 1578, his son also called Carlos assumes the Spanish throne in 1608. After Elisabetta's death in 1584, Carlos III would remarry Marie Victorie of Valois, daughter of Henri III in 1595, with whom he had five more children.
[3]Fernando, Prince of Asturias, lived long enough to marry Philippa of England and have children but not to become king
[4]Daugther of Alfonso II, Duke of Ferrara
[5]After the Tenth Crusade in 1619, Victor Emanuele of Savoy was invited to assume the throne of the restored Kingdom of Jerusalem
[6]The Irony of Anne Boleyn's Great-Grandson and Elizabeth I's Grandson as Pope Is Too Good to Pass Up
[7]OTL Antoinette of Lorraine, daugther of Charles III of Lorraine
 

Jan Olbracht

Posthumous daughter of Juan de Asturias lives few years. Margaret never marries Philibert of Savoy and Philip Habsburg (who lives a bit longer, as he came to Spain for the first time in 1507) & Juana inherit Spain a bit later and all their children are born in Low Countries ITTL.

Margaret of Austria (1480-1544) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Astirias and Girona, b) Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1a) Joanna (1498-1506) Queen of Castile 1504

2b) Hedwig (1509-1561) m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria [1]

3b) Anna (1510-1567) m. Janusz III (1502-1536) Duke of Mazovia

4b) Sigismund II (1512-1564) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1571)

5b) Albert (1515-1553)

6b) Elizabeth (1517)


[1] William IV of Bavaria died in 1525, thus Louis X inherited whole Bavaria and is free to marry)
 
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Nova_Philomena

Jan Olbracht said:
Posthumous daughter of Juan de Asturias lives few years. Margaret never marries Philibert of Savoy and Philip Habsburg (who lives a bit longer, as he came to Spain for the first time in 1507) & Juana inherit Spain a bit later and all their children are born in Low Countries ITTL.

Margaret of Austria (1480-1544) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Astirias and Girona, b) Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1a) Joanna (1498-1506) Queen of Castile 1504

2b) Hedwig (1509-1561) m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria [1]

3b) Anna (1510-1567) m. Janusz III (1502-1536) Duke of Mazovia

4b) Sigismund II (1512-1564) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1571)

5b) Albert (1515-1553)

6b) Elizabeth (1517)


[1] William IV of Bavaria died in 1525, thus Louis X inherited whole Bavaria and is free to marry)
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does Juana also get Aragon, or is that dumped onto Carlos or Fernando of Austria?
 

Jan Olbracht

Nova_Philomena said:
does Juana also get Aragon, or is that dumped onto Carlos or Fernando of Austria?
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There is Charles and Maximilian instead of Charles and Ferdinand-sons of Philip & Juana are not expected to inherit Spain until 1506 and both are born in Brussels, which is interesting change: Ferdinand of Aragon can't threaten his older grandson that he'll disinherit him in favour of younger, but Spanish born brother.
 

Nova_Philomena

Jan Olbracht said:
There is Charles and Maximilian instead of Charles and Ferdinand-sons of Philip & Juana are not expected to inherit Spain until 1506 and both are born in Brussels, which is interesting change: Ferdinand of Aragon can't threaten his older grandson that he'll disinherit him in favour of younger, but Spanish born brother.
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So it's like otl, Charles gets HRE + Spain, Ferdy (or Max) marries Anna Jagiellonica and is elected in Hungary after the death of Louis Jagiellon and then Charles abdicates in favor of his son and brother.
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Anne Boleyn is born male. He still makes it into the Tudor family.

Thomas I, King of England (1501-1563) m. a) Margaret Percy (1500-1540) b) Mary I, Queen of England (1516-1558) [1]

1a) George Boleyn (1522-1577) m. Katherine Howard (1523-1579)
2a) Mary Boleyn (1527-1589) m. a) Edward Courtenay (1527-1556), b) Henry Seymour (1540-1590)
3b) Henry IX of England (1544-1619) m. a) Elisabeth of France (1545-1568), b) Elisabeth of Austria (1554-1592), c) Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1627)
4b) Katherine of England (1546-1600) m. a) Francis II, King of France (1544-1560), b) Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)

[1] Henry VIII dies a decade earlier than OTL, his ATL second wife did not have children with him.

Mary I, Queen of England (1516-1558) m. a) James V, King of Scotland (1512-1542), b) Thomas I, King of England (1507-1563)

1a) Margaret II of Scotland (1538-1600) m. James Hamilton (1537-1609)
2a) Mary of England and Scotland (1540-1590) m. Andrew Leslie (1541-1611)
3a) Elizabeth of England and Scotland (1542-1599) m. John Forbes (1542-1606)
b) see above
 
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Violet Rose Lily

POD: Genderbent Francois and Claude's kids

King François of France (September 1494-March 31 1549) m. Claude of Brittany (October 13 1499-July 20 1524)
1. King Louis XIII (August 19 1515-September 21 1558) m. Anna of Austria (July 7 1528-October 19 1590).
2. Duke Charles of Orleans (October 23 1516-September 8 1524).
3. Princess Louise (February 28 1518-August 10 1556) m. King James V of Scots (April 10 1512-December 14 1562).
4. Princess Françoise, Duchess of Berry (March 31 1519-July 10 1559).
5. Duke François of Orleans (August 10 1520-July 2 1537).
6. Princess Margaret (January 22 1522- September 9 1565) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (July 8 1528 August 30 1580).
7. Duke Henri of Angoulême (June 5 1523-September 14 1574) m. Catherine de' Medici (April 13 1519-January 5 1589).
 

Dragonboy

Violet Rose Lily said:
POD: Genderbent Francois and Claude's kids

King François of France (September 1494-March 31 1549) m. Claude of Brittany (October 13 1499-July 20 1524)
1. King Louis XIII (August 19 1515-September 21 1558) m. Anna of Austria (July 7 1528-October 19 1590).
2. Duke Charles of Orleans (October 23 1516-September 8 1524).
3. Princess Louise (February 28 1518-August 10 1556) m. King James V of Scots (April 10 1512-December 14 1562).
4. Princess Françoise, Duchess of Berry (March 31 1519-July 10 1559).
5. Duke François of Orleans (August 10 1520-July 2 1537).
6. Princess Margaret (January 22 1522- September 9 1565) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (July 8 1528 August 30 1580).
7. Duke Henri of Angoulême (June 5 1523-September 14 1574) m. Catherine de' Medici (April 13 1519-January 5 1589).
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Suggestion: Genderbent children of Ferdinand II and isabella I
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Dragonboy said:
Suggestion: Genderbent children of Ferdinand II and isabella I
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Ferdinand II of Aragon (1451-1516) m. Isabella I of Castile (1451-1504)

1) John III of Spain (1470-1520) m. Catherine I of Navarre (1468-1517)
2) Isabella (1478-1497) m. a) Alfonso of Portugal (1475-1491), b) Manuel I of Portugal (1469-1521)
3) Alfonso (1479-1555) m. a) Joanna of Naples (1479-1518), b) Isabella of Aragon (1500-1550) [1]
4) Ferdinand (1482-1517) m. Lucrezia Borgia (1480-1519)
5) Pedro (1485-1536) became cardinal

[1] She existed, she was the OTL daughter of Isabella del Balzo
 
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