List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

BoleynBuff

Nova_Philomena said:
If the French Wars of Religion still happen, England is at a really awkward place because Ned detests Catholics and his mother-in-law promoted the slaughter of Protestants.
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If it happens, it won't be the same as IOTL since the French king is different. Also with a Habsburg Scotland, Ned will have to be very careful to maintain cordiality with the French, at least.
 

Nova_Philomena

BoleynBuff said:
I actually rather like the idea of Ned marrying her to a Butler, and her becoming his unofficial regent of sorts in Ireland.

She sticks mostly to her estates and dies of cancer.
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Poor Mary, she never gets a happy ending, she's either unhappily married to Felipe II of Spain or dies early 🤣 :'(
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Suggestion for Happy Mary, Queen of scots: Edward VI survives and marries her.
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I was talking about Mary I, but I suppose I can do it.

I don't like Mary, Queen of Scots though.

Edward VI of England (b. 1537 d. 1577) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (b. 1542 d. 1595)
  1. Princess Jane of England (b. 1568 d. 1582)
  2. Edward VII & I of England and Scotland (b. 1569 d. 1602) m. Marie Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1572 d. 1609) [1]
  3. Princess Mary of England (b. 1570 d. 1581)
  4. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1571 d. 1571)
  5. Princess Margaret of England (b. 1574 d. 1611) m. Christian IV of Denmark (b. 1577 d. 1648)
  6. Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1577 d. 1608)
[1] Has a Younger Brother.
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
I was talking about Mary I, but I suppose I can do it.

I don't like Mary, Queen of Scots though.

Edward VI of England (b. 1537 d. 1577) m. Mary, Queen of Scots (b. 1542 d. 1595)
  1. Princess Jane of England (b. 1568 d. 1582)
  2. Edward VII & I of England and Scotland (b. 1569 d. 1602) m. Marie Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1572 d. 1609) [1]
  3. Princess Mary of England (b. 1570 d. 1581)
  4. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1571 d. 1571)
  5. Princess Margaret of England (b. 1574 d. 1611) m. Christian IV of Denmark (b. 1577 d. 1648)
  6. Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1577 d. 1608)
[1] Has a Younger Brother.
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Henry would also be Duke of Albany
 
Happiness

Happiness

eliamartin65 said:
My crack at this (testing something for a new thread, sorry if it doesn't fill your prompt exactly, @The Gybson Boy):

Joanna of Castile (b. 1478) m. 1496 Philipp IV, Duke of Burgundy [1] (b. 1478) with issue:
  1. Margaret [2] (b. 1498)
  2. Maximilian [3] (b. 1500)
  3. Isabella (b. 1501)
  4. Ferdinand (b. 1503)
  5. Emma [4] (b. 1505)
  6. Philip (b. 1506)
  7. Catherine (b. 1507)
NOTES:
[1] Son of Maximilian I and Emma of Burgundy, and has a different personality
[2] OTL Eleanor of Austria (here named for her ALT grandmother, Marguerite of Anjou)
[3] OTL Charles V (here named for his grandfather)
[4] OTL Mary of Hungary (named for her paternal grandmother)
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And Joanna has the happy life, that she deserves? 🥺
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Henry VIII d. 1547 m. Catherine of Aragon ann. 1516[1](a) Catherine of Navarre d. 1528[2](b) Anne Boleyn d. 1536(c) Jane Seymour d. 1537(d) Anne of Cleves(e)

1a. Joanna b. 1510 m. Charles V

2a. Mary b. 1516 m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany(a) Ferdinand I of HRE

3b. Margaret b. 1518 m. James V of Scotland

4b. Henry, Prince of Wales b. 1522 d. 1533

5b. Catherine b. 1526 m. Philip II of Spain

6c. Elizabeth b. 1533 m. Joao Manuel of Portugal

7c. Cecily b. 1536 m. Eric XIV of Sweden

8d. Edward VI b. 1537 d. 1553

9e. Anne b. 1541 m. William the Silent



Catherine of Aragon d. 1535 m. Arthur, Prince of Wales d. 1502(a) Henry VIII ann. 1516[1](b) Manuel I of Portugal[3](c)

1b. Joanna b. 1510 m. Charles V

2b. Mary b. 1516 m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany(a) Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor(b)

3c. Infante Fernando b. 1519

4c. Infante Afonso b. 1521



1.Annulled after the death of the boys that she gave birth to.

2. Died of sweat.

3. Henry VIII is insulted hearing of the births of the two sons from Catherine.
 

ElizabethIsar

The Gybson Boy said:
One suggestion: a union of the Iberian peninsula in the 15th/16th century under the Transtamara/Foix dynasty
-Frederick III marries Margaret of Anjou

-The marriage of Carlos de Aragon, Principe de Viana and Agnes of Cleves has children:
-Carlos of Aragon, Prince of Viana (29 May 1421 - 23 September 1461) m. Agnes of Cleves (1422 - 1448)
1.Branca of Aragon (January 8, 1441)
-Stillborn (1443)
2.Juan of Aragon (15 August 1445 - 16 March 1453) (Died at age 7)
Stillborn (1447)
3. Eleanor of Aragon (April 9, 1448)
4.Alfonso VI, II and XII, King of Aragon and Navarre and King Jure Uxoris of Castile and Portugal (March 4, 1450) m. Isabella I, Queen of Castile and Portugal (22 April 1451)

-OTL Enrique IV dies on December 8, 1444

-Juan II of Castile marries Leonor of Portugal in 1447

-Leonor of Portugal gives birth to Isabella of Castile (1451) and Alfonso of Castile (1453)

-Juan II of Castile dies in 1454 and Alfonso ascends as Alfonso XII of Castile under the regency of Leonor of Portugal

-Afonso V of Portugal dies in a horse riding accident on March 6, 1455, less than three days after the birth of his son João, who is now King João II of Portugal

-Alfonso XII of Castile marries Joana of Portugal, daugther of Afonso V on February 20, 1469

-Isabella of Castile marries Alfonso II, King of Navarre and Prince of Girona on October 11, 1469,

-Alfonso XII of Castile dies at the age of 16 on January 6, 1470 due to a very high fever, his wife Joana is pregnant

-João II of Portugal marries ??? on January 22, 1470

-Joana of Portugal, Dowager Queen of Castile dies on February 11, 1470 giving birth to a weak and sickly boy, the young baby lives long enough to be baptized and acclaimed as King Alfonso XIII of Castile before dying on March 15 after reigning less than 33 days. Isabella ascends the throne of Castile as Queen Isabella I and her husband as King Jure Uxoris Alfonso XIV

-João II of Portugal and his former regent Fernando, Duke of Viseu (who was unable to have children) died on July 22, 1470 when their barge sank in the Tejo Bay and they drowned at 15 and 36 years of age respectively ( As the order of death of both is unknown, Fernando is posthumously referred to as Fernando II of Portugal), João II's wife is not pregnant and Leonor of Portugal ascends the throne as Queen Leonor I of Portugal

-The sudden death of her son, daughter-in-law and grandson makes Leonor, Queen of Portugal decide to withdraw from public life and settle in a convent, her daughter Isabella becomes her Co-Monarch as Queen Isabella I of Portugal, the Isabella's husband becomes King Jure Uxoris Afonso VI

-The tragic year of 1470 ends on a happy note when Isabella I of Castile and Portugal gives birth to a daughter named Leonor of Aragon

-Isabella I and Alfonso VI, II and XIV have only daughters:
-Children of Isabella I, Queen of Castile and Portugal (April 22, 1451 - July 27, 1516) (Died at 65) and Alfonso VI, II and XIV, King of Aragon and Navarre and King Jure Uxoris of Castile and Portugal (March 04, 1450 - January 14, 1522) (Died at 71)
1.Leonor I and II, Queen of Castile, Aragon, Portugal and Navarre (October 02, 1470)
2.Maria of Aragon (September 08, 1473)
3.Juan, Prince of Asturias, Girona, Portugal and Viana (April 16, 1476 - March 12, 1478) (Died at 01)
4.Juana of Aragon (December 16, 1478)
5.Catalina of Aragon (December 16, 1478)
6.Beatriz of Aragon (October 1480)
Miscarriage (August 1482)
7. Alfonso, Prince of Asturias, Girona, Portugal and Viana (September 18, 1485 - October 18, 1485) (Died at 01 Month)
8.Isabella of Aragon (October 1488)
Miscarriage (February 1490)

--Leonor II ends up marrying Francis Phebo in 1488, who becomes King Jure Uxoris Francisco I
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Ah yes, my dear Carlos finally has his descendents on the iberian throne ! Well after a lot of tragic deaths but... anyway !
 

Nova_Philomena

Prompt: Edward The Black Prince marries someone else.

Edward, Prince of Wales (b. 1330 d. 1376) m. Eleanor of Portugal (b. 1328 d. 1383) [1]
  1. Philippa of England (b. 1346 d. 1408) m. Ferdinand I of Portugal (b. 1345 d. 1383)
  2. Richard II of England (b. 1347 d. 1405) m. Constance of Castile (b. 1354 d. 1394) [2] and Isabella of Aragon (b. 1376 d. 1424)
  3. Edmund Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford (b. 1348 d. 1400) m. Joan I, Countess of Dreux (b. 1345 d. 1417) [3]
  4. Eleanor of England (b. 1349 d. 1350)
  5. Isabella of England (b. 1350 d. 1407) m. John I of Aragon (b. 1350 d. 1396)
[1] Lives Longer, also, earlier start of the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance.
[2] Has a Younger Brother and therefore no Trastámara's.
[3] Doesn't die young.
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Prompt: Edward The Black Prince marries someone else.

Edward, Prince of Wales (b. 1330 d. 1376) m. Eleanor of Portugal (b. 1328 d. 1383) [1]
  1. Philippa of England (b. 1346 d. 1408) m. Ferdinand I of Portugal (b. 1345 d. 1383)
  2. Richard II of England (b. 1347 d. 1405) m. Constance of Castile (b. 1354 d. 1394) [2] and Isabella of Aragon (b. 1376 d. 1424)
  3. Edmund Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford (b. 1348 d. 1400) m. Joan I, Countess of Dreux (b. 1345 d. 1417) [3]
  4. Eleanor of England (b. 1349 d. 1350)
  5. Isabella of England (b. 1350 d. 1407) m. John I of Aragon (b. 1350 d. 1396)
[1] Lives Longer, also, earlier start of the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance.
[2] Has a Younger Brother and therefore no Trastámara's.
[3] Doesn't die young.
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Idea: The black Prince first son Edward Doesnt die and becomes Edward IV (His dad still dies)
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Idea: The black Prince first son Edward Doesnt die and becomes Edward IV (His dad still dies)
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Edward IV of England (b. 1364 d. 1435) m. Anne of Bohemia (b. 1366 d. 1400) and Isabelle d'Valois (b. 1389 d. 1440) [1]
  1. Edward V of England (b. 1385 d. 1452) m. Yolanda of Aragon (b. 1381 d. 1442) [2]
  2. Joan of England (b. 1388 d. 1418) m. Edward I of Portugal (b. 1391 d. 1438)
  3. Anne of England (b. 1389 d. 1456) m. Arthur III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1393 d. 1458)
  4. William of England (b. 1390 d. 1394)
  5. Isabella of England (b. 1409 d. 1475) [3] m. John II of Castile (b. 1405 d. 1454)
  6. Stillborn Son (b. 1410 d. 1410)
  7. Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford (b. 1411 d. 1482) m. Marie of Savoy (b. 1411 d. 1469)
[1] Sort of like a Manuel-John Situation where the father steals his sons intended bride.
[2] Replacement Bride for Isabelle d'Valois, also she has a brother to make things less awkward.
[3] First child of Edward and Isabella.
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Edward IV of England (b. 1364 d. 1435) m. Anne of Bohemia (b. 1366 d. 1400) and Isabelle d'Valois (b. 1389 d. 1440) [1]
  1. Edward V of England (b. 1385 d. 1452) m. Yolanda of Aragon (b. 1381 d. 1442) [2]
  2. Joan of England (b. 1388 d. 1418) m. Edward I of Portugal (b. 1391 d. 1438)
  3. Anne of England (b. 1389 d. 1456) m. Arthur III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1393 d. 1458)
  4. William of England (b. 1390 d. 1394)
  5. Isabella of England (b. 1409 d. 1475) [3] m. John II of Castile (b. 1405 d. 1454)
  6. Stillborn Son (b. 1410 d. 1410)
  7. Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford (b. 1411 d. 1482) m. Marie of Savoy (b. 1411 d. 1469)
[1] Sort of like a Manuel-John Situation where the father steals his sons intended bride.
[2] Replacement Bride for Isabelle d'Valois, also she has a brother to make things less awkward.
[3] First child of Edward and Isabella.
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Amazing work as always! Next one: Carlos Baltazar survives to become Carlos II and the iberian unión survives thanks to him
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Amazing work as always! Next one: Carlos Baltazar survives to become Carlos II and the iberian unión survives thanks to him
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Carlos II of Spain & Portugal (b. 1629 d. 1683) m. Mariana of Austria (b. 1634 d. 1696)
  1. Maria Anna of Spain (b. 1659 d. 1678)
  2. Carlos III of Spain & Portugal (b. 1660 d. 1702) m. Marie Thérèse of France (b. 1667 d. 1710)
  3. Margarita Teresa of Spain (b. 1661 d. 1699) m. Louis, Grand Dauphin (b. 1661 d. 1711)
  4. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1662 d. 1662)
  5. Infante Felipe of Spain (b. 1663 d. 1676)
 
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