But he'd have been John III everywhere else since his father didn't live long enough to be king of anywhere else
Fair
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Fair. idea: Joao manuel survives to succeed his father joao III fora good number of years
A Trastámara family where some things change and others stay the same.
Isabella I of Castile b 1451 d 1505 m Ferdinand II of Aragon b 1452 d 1513
Issue:
-John III of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1470 d 1525 m Catherine I of Navarre b 1468 d 1524
Issue:
-Infanta Isabella b 1486 m?
-Misscarriage 1488
-John IV of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1490
-Infanta Catalina b 1491 m Henry VIII of England b 1491
-Infante Gaston b 1496
-Infanta Magdalena b 1497
-Infante Ferdinand b 1500
-Infante Ferdinand, King of Naples b 1475 m Joanna of Naples b 1478
Has issue
-Infanta Isabella b 1478 m Alfonso VI of Portugal b 1475
Had issue
-Infante Alfonso* b 1479 m?
-Infanta Maria b 1482 m Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor b 1477
Had issue
-Infante Miguel b 1485, Archbishop of Toledo, never married
*Infante Alfonso conspired or was used (historians are unsure of what degree he himself was involved in) as a figurehead by Aragonese/Catalan discontenders against his eldest brother in a plot that was intended to prevent the union of the crowns of iberia. John III was merciful enough to not execute his brother for his role in the bloody insurrection, but Alfonso was stripped of his titles, lands and possessions and imprisoned at the Alcazar of Burgos until his death in 1550.
Isabella I of Castile b 1451 d 1505 m Ferdinand II of Aragon b 1452 d 1513
Issue:
-John III of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1470 d 1525 m Catherine I of Navarre b 1468 d 1524
Issue:
-Infanta Isabella b 1486 m?
-Misscarriage 1488
-John IV of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1490
-Infanta Catalina b 1491 m Henry VIII of England b 1491
-Infante Gaston b 1496
-Infanta Magdalena b 1497
-Infante Ferdinand b 1500
-Infante Ferdinand, King of Naples b 1475 m Joanna of Naples b 1478
Has issue
-Infanta Isabella b 1478 m Alfonso VI of Portugal b 1475
Had issue
-Infante Alfonso* b 1479 m?
-Infanta Maria b 1482 m Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor b 1477
Had issue
-Infante Miguel b 1485, Archbishop of Toledo, never married
*Infante Alfonso conspired or was used (historians are unsure of what degree he himself was involved in) as a figurehead by Aragonese/Catalan discontenders against his eldest brother in a plot that was intended to prevent the union of the crowns of iberia. John III was merciful enough to not execute his brother for his role in the bloody insurrection, but Alfonso was stripped of his titles, lands and possessions and imprisoned at the Alcazar of Burgos until his death in 1550.
Thought I'd done that one already. I'll do it again.
João IV Manuel, King of Portugal (1537-1574) m. Joanna of Austria (1535-1573)
1) Sebastian I, King of Portugal (1554-1578) died in battle [1]
2) Catarina of Portugal (1556-1634) m. Ferdinand II, HRE (1551-1612) [2]
3) Isabella of Portugal (1560-1585) m. Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy (1562-1630) [3]
4) Joanna of Portugal (1563-1610) m. Henry III, King of France (1551-1589) [4]
5) John V, King of Portugal (1566-1625) m. Isabella Clara Eugenia (1566-1633)
[1] I doubt his father being alive would've stopped him, let's be real
[2] Longer-lived first son of Maximilian II
[3] He remarried to Catalina of Austria as OTL
[4] He actually divorced Louise of Lorraine in 1584
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Amazing work as always! what about the daughters of charles VI HRE are born boys.
I was initially gonna have Joao IV die in 1584 (hence note 1)... I will edit
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539)
1) Philip II of Spain (1527-1598) as OTL
2) Charles of Burgundy (1528-1603) m. Margaret of France (1523-1574), Isabella Clara Eugenia (1566-1633)
3) Ferdinand of Milan (1535-1573) m. Barbara of Austria (1539-1572)
Edit: holy shit I am an IDIOT I thought that said Charles V. Whoops
Now that you brought it up a genderswapped Maria Theresa would make for an interesting timeline, if one doesn't exist already.
Suggestion: Juan, Prince of Asturias is born a girl, the Catholic monarchs only have girls
Joanna I of Castile and Aragon (b. 1478 d. 1520) [1] m. Manuel I of Portugal (b. 1469 d. 1521)
- Stillborn Daughter (b. 1500 d. 1500)
- Manuel, Prince of Portugal and Asturias (b. 1501 d. 1510)
- Ferdinand VI & II of Spain and Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1557) m. Isabella of Austria (b. 1501 d. 1520) and Katherine Tudor (b. 1503 d. 1541) [2]
- Joanna of Portugal (b. 1504 d. 1561) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558)
- John, Duke of Beja (b. 1505 d. 1580) m. Isabella of Navarre (b. 1512 d. 1560)
- Stillborn Son (b. 1506 d. 1506)
- Stillborn Son (b. 1507 d. 1507)
- Miguel of Portugal (b. 1508 d. 1512)
- Beatrice of Portugal (b. 1509 d. 1522)
[2] Katherine Tudor survives infancy and she is selected as a bride after Isabella of Austria dies giving birth to her only child, Maria of Portugal.
In before @Kellan Sullivan and @isabella :
Ferdinand II, King of Aragon (1452-1516) m. Isabella I, Queen of Castile (1451-1504)
1) Isabella II, Queen of Castile and Aragon (1470-1530) m. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (1475-1491)
1) John III, King of Spain and Portugal (1492-1560) m. Magdalena, Queen of Navarre (1494-1564)
2) Beatrice (1478-1497) m. Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (1480-1504)3) Joanna (1479-1555) m. a) Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1506), b) Louis XII, King of France (1462-1515)
4) Maria (1482-1517) m. Vladislaus II, King of Hungary (1456-1516)
5) Catalina (1485-1536) m. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1502), b) Henry VIII, King of England (1491-1547)
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Why would Ferdinand marry again if his grandson is posed to unite ALL of the kingdoms?
I believe Isabella I probably until the 1510s without Juan's death haunting her
My crack at this (testing something for a new thread, sorry if it doesn't fill your prompt exactly, @The Gybson Boy):
Joanna of Castile (b. 1478) m. 1496 Philipp IV, Duke of Burgundy [1] (b. 1478) with issue:
- Margaret [2] (b. 1498)
- Maximilian [3] (b. 1500)
- Isabella (b. 1501)
- Ferdinand (b. 1503)
- Emma [4] (b. 1505)
- Philip (b. 1506)
- Catherine (b. 1507)
[1] Son of Maximilian I and Emma of Burgundy, and has a different personality
[2] OTL Eleanor of Austria (here named for her ALT grandmother, Marguerite of Anjou)
[3] OTL Charles V (here named for his grandfather)
[4] OTL Mary of Hungary (named for her paternal grandmother)
Prompt: Francis Phoebus of Navarre survives and doesn't die in a stupid way and has slightly better relationships with the Catholic Monarchs.
Francis I of Navarre (b. 1467 d. 1506) m. Jeanne of France (b. 1464 d. 1505) [1]
[2] Replaces Germaine de Foix.
[3] I was going to go with Catalina of Aragon, but the Catholic Monarchs would NEVER chose Navarra over England in ANY circumstances so I went with Renee.
Francis I of Navarre (b. 1467 d. 1506) m. Jeanne of France (b. 1464 d. 1505) [1]
- Magdalena of Navarre, Princess of Viana (b. 1484 d. 1486)
- Jeanne of Navarre (b. 1485 d. 1530) m. Ferdinand II of Aragon (b. 1452 d. 1516) [2]
- Francis II of Navarre (b. 1487 d. 1538) m. Renée of Bourbon (b. 1494 d. 1539) [3]
- Stillborn Son (b. 1488 d. 1488)
- Catherine of Navarre (b. 1489 d. 1519) m. Charles II, Duke of Savoy (b. 1489 d. 1507)
- Charles of Navarre (b. 1491 d. 1498)
[2] Replaces Germaine de Foix.
[3] I was going to go with Catalina of Aragon, but the Catholic Monarchs would NEVER chose Navarra over England in ANY circumstances so I went with Renee.
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