Yep, sorry, Charles HRE and Ferdinand Spain.try to guess… You should know me well enough…
Yep, sorry, Charles HRE and Ferdinand Spain.try to guess… You should know me well enough…
Exactly.Yep, sorry, Charles HRE and Ferdinand Spain.
Yep mine too, it would have been so much simpler that way.Exactly.
Yep mine too, it would have been so much simpler that way.
Bingo.Yep with Karl and Mary Tudor and Ferdinand and Isabella
I think their son would be John IV as his father would have been John III of Navarre by right of his wife.POD: Isabella of Aragon was born a boy.
John, Prince of Asturias (1470-1500) [1] m. Catherine I, Queen of Navarre (1468-1517)
1) John III, King of Spain (1485-1539) m. Margaret, Archduchess of Austria (1480-1530)
2) Maria (1486-1549) m. Charles III, Duke of Savoy (1486-1553)
3) Isabella (1489-1543) m. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1544)
4) Ferdinand, Infante of Spain (1491-1550) m. Juana Folch de Cardona y Manrique de Lara (1496-1564)
5) Catherine (1491-1547) m. Henry VIII, King of England (1491-1547) [2]
[1] I doubt being male makes him less religiously fanatic. He ends up dying young anyway from fasting, praying, and the like.
[2] OTL's Katherine of Aragon was born a boy (Alfonso, since the 1478 boy is called Ferdinand). Infante Alfonso later became Pope and lived a long happy life doting on his sole daughter Maria, born before he was Pope of course...
I suppose here Joanna married into Portugal...
POD: Isabella of Aragon was born a boy.
John, Prince of Asturias (1470-1500) [1] m. Catherine I, Queen of Navarre (1468-1517)
1) John III, King of Spain (1485-1539) m. Margaret, Archduchess of Austria (1480-1530)
2) Maria (1486-1549) m. Charles III, Duke of Savoy (1486-1553)
3) Isabella (1489-1543) m. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1544)
4) Ferdinand, Infante of Spain (1491-1550) m. Juana Folch de Cardona y Manrique de Lara (1496-1564)
5) Catherine (1491-1547) m. Henry VIII, King of England (1491-1547) [2]
[1] I doubt being male makes him less religiously fanatic. He ends up dying young anyway from fasting, praying, and the like.
[2] OTL's Katherine of Aragon was born a boy (Alfonso, since the 1478 boy is called Ferdinand). Infante Alfonso later became Pope and lived a long happy life doting on his sole daughter Maria, born before he was Pope of course...
I suppose here Joanna married into Portugal...
Imagine that Enrique dies young so his father remarries, then Catarina serves as regent for Leonor.A different Castilian family (@isabella @Dragonboy @BoleynBuff):
Juan II of Castile (b. 1405 - d. 1454) m. 1450 Catarina of Portugal (b. 1436 - d. 1481) with issue:
- Leonor I of Castile (b. 1451) m. 1469 Fernando II of Aragon (b. 1452) with issue
- Stillborn son (1453)
- Felipa of Castile (b. 1454)
BINGO!Imagine that Enrique dies young so his father remarries, then Catarina serves as regent for Leonor.
Yep, and Catarina is more sane than Isabel hopefully.BINGO!
YES! Castile will be sparred the Juana nonsense!BINGO!
She's described as wilful, so I'd imagine she'd be capable.Yep, and Catarina is more sane than Isabel hopefully.
And Leonor is only eight years older than a certain Burgundian lady....YES! Castile will be sparred the Juana nonsense!
LOVE IT!A different Castilian family (@isabella @Dragonboy @BoleynBuff):
Juan II of Castile (b. 1405 - d. 1454) m. 1450 Catarina of Portugal (b. 1436 - d. 1481) with issue:
- Leonor I of Castile (b. 1451) m. 1469 Fernando II of Aragon (b. 1452) with issue
- Stillborn son (1453)
- Felipa of Castile (b. 1454)
Emma!She's described as wilful, so I'd imagine she'd be capable.
And Leonor is only eight years older than a certain Burgundian lady....
We should do a thread on LeonorLOVE IT!
YES!Emma!
YAY! Emma!And Leonor is only eight years older than a certain Burgundian lady....