Oh my gosh, you have a critical eye for discovering her.
Her or Catherine de' Medici would work. No Catherine in France won't come off as a huge loss to France, Henri II could find someone easily better.
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Her or Catherine de' Medici would work. No Catherine in France won't come off as a huge loss to France, Henri II could find someone easily better.
You can have Marie-Therese's older sisters live, meaning Marie-Therese could be a viable candidate.
Or do what I did in my scenario where Charles II and Catherine have kids and kill off Carlos II in childhood, leaving the Spanish throne to Margarita teresa
I agree with Hortense, but a Neuburg match for Charles II’s heir is not too unlikely as the girl would be Austrian proxy as younger sister of the Empress (if Eleanor Magdalene is not Empress and mother of Leopold‘s heir then no way such match will be taken in consideration)
There are better options. The only time Charles II bothered with an Electoral Princess was with Sophia of the Palatinate who rejected him as she knew he was only trying to get money from her mother's supporter, the Earl of Craven.
Not so many option, specially as another French match would be seen badly in England and an Habsburg match would scare a lot of people. Either a full fledged Protestant princess (and I mean as daughter of a King) or a Neuburg is the most political advantageous and less objectionable match available for the Prince of Wales
If Marie Therese of France's (Daughter of the Sun-King and Maria Theresa)'s older sisters live, Marie-Therese would be a viable option. There are Danish Princesses available albeit young, but not by too too much.
Having Henry V live longer might also Butterfly Henry VII in that Catherine wouldn't marry Owen Tudor, and might also produce more kids for Henry V...
I never said Catherine of Valois would marry Owen Tudor, I was talking about what happened in OTL.
A variant of this scenario with Quiteria of Navarre, second surviving daughter of Catherine of Navarre
Catherine of Aragon d. 1535 m. Arthur, Prince of Wales d. 1502(a) Henry VIII of England ann. 1516(b) Manuel I of Portugal(c)
1b. Elizabeth b. 1510 m. John II of Portugal[1]
2b. Henry of Cornwall b. d. 1511
3b.Mary b. 1516- m. Francis III of Brittany(a) Philip II of Spain(b)[2]
4c. Manuel of Portugal b. 1518- m. Catherine of Medici
5c. Ferdinand of Portugal b. 1520-
Henry VIII d. 1547 m. Catherine of Aragon ann. 1516(a) Quiteria of Navarre d. 1528(b) Anne Boleyn d. 1536(c) Jane Seymour d. 1537(d) Christina of Denmark(e)
1a. Elizabeth b. 1510- m. John II of Portugal[1]
2a. Henry of Cornwall b. d. 1511
3a. Mary b. 1516- m. Francis III of Brittany(a) Philip II of Spain(b) - with issue with second husband[2]
4b. Margaret b. 1518- m. James V of Scotland - with issue[3]
5b. Edward, Prince of Wales b. d. 1522 d. 1533[4]
6b. Renee b. 1528- m. Emannuel Philibert of Savoy
7c. Anne b. 1533- m. Edward Courtenay
8d. Edward VI b. 1537 d. 1553[4]
9e. Christina of b. 1540- m. Archduke Charles of Austria
1. John III of Portugal rejects the match with Catherine of Austria who ends up married to Francis I of France.
2. Second wife of Philip II after the death of Maria Manuela, Mary refused to marry for a time after the death of her first husband but a match with Philip II made her to consider a marriage.
3. Proposed a marriage with Mary Tudor but ended up marrying her younger sister.
4. Both died before they can have an issue.
@Nuraghe
Philipp of Swabia and Otto IV swap death dates:
Philipp I, Holy Roman Emperor [1209-1218], King of Germany [1198-1209] (1177-1218) m: 1197 Eirene Angelina (b.1181)
Philipp of Swabia and Otto IV swap death dates:
Philipp I, Holy Roman Emperor [1209-1218], King of Germany [1198-1209] (1177-1218) m: 1197 Eirene Angelina (b.1181)
Beatrice (b.1198) m: 1212 Philippe II, King of France (1165-1223)
Maria (b.1200) m: 1215 Vratislaus I, King of Bohemia (1181-1226)
Reinald (1201)
Kunigunde (b.1202) m: Béla IV, King of Hungary (b.1206)
Elisabeth (b.1205) m: 1219 Fernando III, King of Castile (1201-1252)
Friedrich II, Holy Roman Emperor [from 1218] (b.1205) m: 1225 Isabella of England (b.1214)
Stillborn Daughter (1208)
really interesting family tree, just two questions Kunigunde when he marries Bela, she is obviously his first wife right ?, this means Maria Lascaris of Nicaea is free to marry elsewhere, I agree for Beatrice and Maria's marriages, as they are congenial to politics of the Staufen in the empire and internationally, I don't understand why Elizabeth married in Castile, wouldn't it have been more prudent to marry her in Italy or among a faithful Ghibelline candidate in Germany/Burgundy ?, otherwise this is an excellent scenario that sees imperial power strengthened in the first decades of the 13th century ( partly easing the situation that Frederick would later have to face, even if I see the Lombard League returning to work a few years early )
I'll admit that Liza married in Castile was a bit of personal indulgence so there's still an OTL Alfonso X
presumably he's king of Sicily
And he'll ensure a golden age on there free of the MANY headaches the papacy gave him OTL.
as long as his uncle lives, he remains in Sicily to govern, as soon as his uncle Philip dies, he ( Fed ) succeeds to the imperial throne ( furthermore Kellan also wrote that Fredy II would be the next HRE )
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A Danish princess work but not the French one
Elizabeth can not marry John III after their parents married and she would marry without any doubt Charles V meaning who ATL Philip II would be Elizabeth‘s son and in any case he is far too young for marrying Mary
Barcelona was part of the title of the heir to the throne of Aragon.
Vacant dukedoms were Peñafiel, Villena, Villahermosa (vacant from 1513 after the death of the previous holder with no children). For an heiress, Mencia de Mendoza (OTL duchess of Calabria, countess of Nassau), the duquesa de Bejar, or Juana I Folch de Cardona could fit the bill.