List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[AkhenatenOrRamses]

Trying something a little different here...

POD: The Year of the Six Emperors becomes the year of just three, as the Gordians I and II immediately move from Carthage to Rome, knowing that Carthage is not gonna hold up against the III Augusta, the only legion in North Africa. Maximinus Thrax still gets murdered after the siege of Aquileia proceeds more or less as it did in OTL and the Gordians are proclaimed emperors by the whole Roman world.

1. Gordian I (158-241 CE), co-emperor from 238 CE until his death[1] from natural causes with...
2. Gordian II (292-255 CE)[2]
3. Antonius I (239-272 CE), eldest son of Gordian II and an unnamed great-granddaughter of Marcus Aurelius, was co-ruler with...
4. Gordian III (240-278 CE)[3], second son of Gordian II, became sole emperor upon the death of his elder brother, which was considered by some contemporaries to have been engineered by Praetorians loyal to Gordian III.
5. Antonius II (262-288 CE), son of Gordian III and a Persian princess captured in the Roman-Sassanid War of 261, claimed to be a daughter of Shapur I. Although his father's only son, Antonius was considered by some contemporary sources to be born of wedlock and had to be installed by Severus Aurelius, Legate of the VII Claudia and later Praetorian Prefect.

After a disastrous battle against the Goths, Antonius II would be murdered by Severus Aurelius, who briefly proclaimed himself emperor and made a generous peace treaty with the Goths before being murdered by a group of ambitious subordinates. This would be the catalyst of the 12 Years of Anarchy, a period of prolonged and multiple civil wars that nearly saw the Roman Empire collapse.

[1] if the Historia Augusta is to be believed, Gordian I would've been 80 years old. I can't see him living much longer than that if he survives in OTL.
[2]in OTL Gordian II never married, so here he quickly arranges a marriage with a young bride of high ancestry to solidify his position in Rome. I also take inspiration from Harry Sidebottom in his early-ish death - one of his novels portrays Gordian II as a hedonist of sorts.
[3]not the OTL Gordian III, who was a maternal nephew of Gordian II.

 

[Rafi_T]

Shortening the Polish succession after Boleslaw the Brave (up to Casimir the Great).

1. Mieszko II Lambert (17 June 1025-11 May 1034) (Early king)
2. Casimir I the Restorer (11 May 1034-19 March 1058)
3. Bolesław II the Bold/Generous (19 March 1058-3 April 1082)
4. Władysław I Herman (3 April 1082-4 June 1102)
5. Bolesław III Wrymouth (4 June 1102-28 October 1138) (Early king)
6. Władysław II (the Exile) (28 October 1138-30 May 1159)
7. Bolesław (I) IV the Tall (30 May 1159-8 December 1201)
8. Henry I the Bearded (8 December 1201-19 March 1238)
9. Henry II the Pious (19 March 1238-9 April 1241)
10. Konrad I of Masovia (9 April 1241-31 August 1247) (Early king)
11. Casimir (I) II of Kuyavia (31 August 1247-14 December 1267) (Early king)
12. Leszek II the Black (14 December 1267-30 September 1288)
13. Władysław (I) III Łokietek the Short (30 September 1288-2 March 1333)
14. Casimir III the Great (2 March 1333-5 November 1370)

(Early king means a younger brother that would've come after an elder sibling but assumed the throne after their father's death, skipping forward a few years.)
(In parenthesis is what they're known as IOTL for ease of reference, but numbers ITTL are changed for accuracy.)
(For a total of 345 years from the beginning of Mieszko II Lambert's rule in 1025 to the end of Casimir III the Great's rule in 1370, there's 345 years, with the 14 monarchs serving an average of 24.64 years.)

 

[Violet Rose Lily]

POD: All children to the Catholic monarchs live past birth.

King Ferdinand II (March 10 1452-January 23 1516) m. Isabel I (April 22 1451-November 23 1514).
1. Queen Isabel of Portugal (October 2 1470-August 23 1498 ) m. King Alfonso VI (May 18 1475-July 13 1511). [1]

1. Infante Juan (February 9 1492-July 19 1494).​

2. Infanta Leonor (b and d. 1494)​

3. Infante Alfonso (1494-1498 ).​

4. Infanta Maria (January 1 1496-).​

5. King Miguel I of Portugal (August 23 1498- ) m. Princess Mary of England (1496-),​

2. King Juan IV of Castile, III of Aragon and I of Navarre (May 31 1475-July 11 1535) m. Queen Catherine I of Navarre (1468-1517) (a) Marguerite of Angouleme (1492-1549) (b). [2]

1a. Infanta Isabel (1494-1504)​

2a. Infanta Magdalena (b and d 1495)​

3a. Infanta Catrina (1496-)​

4a. Infanta Juana (1499-)​

5a. Infante Juan (1500-1526) m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558).​

6a. King Ferdinand III & I (1503-1555). m. Catalina of Austria (1507-1578).​

7a. Infante Francis (1505-1550).​

8a. Infante Martin (1508- )​

9a. Infanta Isabel (1511-)​

10b. Infante Margurite (1528- ).​

3. Infante Ferdinand (June 30 1478-October 4 1497) m. Joanna of Naples (1478-1518). [3]
4. Empress Juana (November 6 1479-April 12 1556) m. Holy Roman Emperor Philip (July 22 1478-September 26 1546). [4]

1. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) m. Infante Juan (1500-1526) (a). King Francois I of France (1494-1547) (b).​

2. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558) m. Catherine of England (1503-1533).​

3. Isabel of Austria (1501-1524) m. Charistian II of Denmark (1489-1558).​

4. Francis of Austria, Duke of Tyrol (1503-1564) m. Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1547).​

5. Mary of Austria (1505-1558) m. King Louis of Hungary (1506-1526).​

6. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578 ).​

7. Philip of Austria (1510-).​

8. Joanna of Austria (1512-).​

5. Queen Maria of Naples (June 29 1482-March 7 1537) m. King Ferdinand II of Naples (June 26 1467- September 7 1506) [5].

1. King Ferdinad III of Naples (1502-1557).​

2. Princess Isabella (1503-1528 ) m. King Henry IX of England (1505-1531).​

3. Princess Maria Ippolita (1504-1538).​

4. Prince Alfonso (1506-1540).​

6. Infante Alfonso (June 29 1482-March 17 1542) m. ????? [6]
7. Queen Katherine of England (December 16 1485-January 7 1556) m. King Arthur I of England (September 20 1586-July 2 1528). [7}.

1. Princess Catherine of England (April 2 1503-Febuary 11 1533). m. Holy Roman Emperor Charles.​

2. King Henry IX of England (January 1 1505-January 23 1531) m. Princess Isabella of Naples (1503-1528).​

3. Prince Arthur, Duke of Somerset (March 9 1508- ) m Elizabeth Grey, Viscountess of Lisile (1505-1519) (a) Ursula Pole (1504-) (b).​

4. Prince Edmund, Duke of Richmond (January 11 1511 ).​

5. Princess Elizabeth (September 9 1513-).​

6. Princess Mary (Febuary 16 1516-)​

7. Prince John, Duke of Suffolk (October 31 1517-) m. Katherine Willoughby (1519-1580 ).​

8. Prince Edward, Duke of Rutland (May 1 1520-)​

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1. Unfortunetly Isabel's luck is not much better in this TL. When she learns of her second son's death, she is devastated and goes on a pilgrimage despite being heavily pregnant at the time. She dies giving birth to Miguel who thankfully lives longer than his coutnerpart. Alfonso refuses to marry agian, spurring his wife's sister when she is offered to him. Arguing with his father-in-law, Alfonso decides to renew his friendship with England, having the Princess Mary marry his son.​

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2. King Juan and his wife Catherine have plenty of children and are mostly happy despite the age gap between them. After his son dies in alternate Italian wars of 1520, Juan fears for the sucession and marries for a second time to Margurite of Angolume. They only produce a daughter.​

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3. Infante Ferdinand is as weak as his counterpart. He died soon after his marriage to Joanna of Naples.​

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4. Juana and Phillip don't have the heathiest of marriages but they do manage to have two extra kiddos.​

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5. Maria's wedding to Ferdinand of Naples was set up for a long time since they were children. Her parents were considering breaking it once Isabel died and they needed a marriage for Portugual. Maria was most pleased when Alfonso rejected her as she and Ferdinand had fallen in love over letters. Sadly, their happiness only lasts for less than a decade when Ferdinad falls ill with malaria, leaving Maria to act as regent for her son.​

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6. Really blanking on who he could marry.​

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7. Katherine's life in England is perfect up until the sweat comes to call. She, Arthur, her son and her daughter-in-law/niece unfortunetly catch the sweat. While she and Henry manage to recover, their spouses do not. Worse three years later, Henry dies as well. Katherine acts as regent for her young grandson, King William III.​

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[Dragonboy]

POD: All children to the Catholic monarchs live past birth.

King Ferdinand II (March 10 1452-January 23 1516) m. Isabel I (April 22 1451-November 23 1514).
1. Queen Isabel of Portugal (October 2 1470-August 23 1498 ) m. King Alfonso VI (May 18 1475-July 13 1511). [1]

1. Infante Juan (February 9 1492-July 19 1494).​

2. Infanta Leonor (b and d. 1494)​

3. Infante Alfonso (1494-1498 ).​

4. Infanta Maria (January 1 1496-).​

5. King Miguel I of Portugal (August 23 1498- ) m. Princess Mary of England (1496-),​

2. King Juan III of Spain and Navarre (May 31 1475-July 11 1535) m. Queen Catherine I of Navarre (1468-1517) (a) Marguerite of Angouleme (1492-1549) (b). [2]

1a. Infanta Isabel (1494-1504)​

2a. Infanta Magdalena (b and d 1495)​

3a. Infanta Catrina (1496-)​

4a. Infanta Juana (1499-)​

5a. Infante Juan (1500-1526) m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558).​

6a. King Ferdinand III & I (1503-1555). m. Catalina of Austria (1507-1578).​

7a. Infante Francis (1505-1550).​

8a. Infante Martin (1508- )​

9a. Infanta Isabel (1511-)​

10b. Infante Margurite (1528- ).​

3. Infante Ferdinand (June 30 1478-October 4 1497) m. Joanna of Naples (1478-1518). [3]
4. Empress Juana (November 6 1479-April 12 1556) m. Holy Roman Emperor Philip (July 22 1478-September 26 1546). [4]

1. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) m. Infante Juan (1500-1526) (a). King Francois I of France (1494-1547) (b).​

2. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558) m. Catherine of England (1503-1533).​

3. Isabel of Austria (1501-1524) m. Charistian II of Denmark (1489-1558).​

4. Francis of Austria, Duke of Tyrol (1503-1564) m. Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1547).​

5. Mary of Austria (1505-1558) m. King Louis of Hungary (1506-1526).​

6. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578 ).​

7. Philip of Austria (1510-).​

8. Joanna of Austria (1512-).​

5. Queen Maria of Naples (June 29 1482-March 7 1537) m. King Ferdinand II of Naples (June 26 1467- September 7 1506) [5].

1. King Ferdinad III of Naples (1502-1557).​

2. Princess Isabella (1503-1528 ) m. King Henry IX of England (1505-1531).​

3. Princess Maria Ippolita (1504-1538).​

4. Prince Alfonso (1506-1540).​

6. Infante Alfonso (June 29 1482-March 17 1542) m. ????? [6]
7. Queen Katherine of England (December 16 1485-January 7 1556) m. King Arthur I of England (September 20 1586-July 2 1528). [7}.

1. Princess Catherine of England (April 2 1503-Febuary 11 1533). m. Holy Roman Emperor Charles.​

2. King Henry IX of England (January 1 1505-January 23 1531) m. Princess Isabella of Naples (1503-1528).​

3. Prince Arthur, Duke of Somerset (March 9 1508- ) m Elizabeth Grey, Viscountess of Lisile (1505-1519) (a) Ursula Pole (1504-) (b).​

4. Prince Edmund, Duke of Richmond (January 11 1511 ).​

5. Princess Elizabeth (September 9 1513-).​

6. Princess Mary (Febuary 16 1516-)​

7. Prince John, Duke of Suffolk (October 31 1517-) m. Katherine Willoughby (1519-1580 ).​

8. Prince Edward, Duke of Rutland (May 1 1520-)​

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1. Unfortunetly Isabel's luck is not much better in this TL. When she learns of her second son's death, she is devastated and goes on a pilgrimage despite being heavily pregnant at the time. She dies giving birth to Miguel who thankfully lives longer than his coutnerpart. Alfonso refuses to marry agian, spurring his wife's sister when she is offered to him. Arguing with his father-in-law, Alfonso decides to renew his friendship with England, having the Princess Mary marry his son.​

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2. King Juan and his wife Catherine have plenty of children and are mostly happy despite the age gap between them. After his son dies in alternate Italian wars of 1520, Juan fears for the sucession and marries for a second time to Margurite of Angolume. They only produce a daughter.​

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3. Infante Ferdinand is as weak as his counterpart. He died soon after his marriage to Joanna of Naples.​

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4. Juana and Phillip don't have the heathiest of marriages but they do manage to have two extra kiddos.​

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5. Maria's wedding to Ferdinand of Naples was set up for a long time since they were children. Her parents were considering breaking it once Isabel died and they needed a marriage for Portugual. Maria was most pleased when Alfonso rejected her as she and Ferdinand had fallen in love over letters. Sadly, their happiness only lasts for less than a decade when Ferdinad falls ill with malaria, leaving Maria to act as regent for her son.​

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6. Really blanking on who he could marry.​

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7. Katherine's life in England is perfect up until the sweat comes to call. She, Arthur, her son and her daughter-in-law/niece unfortunetly catch the sweat. While she and Henry manage to recover, their spouses do not. Worse three years later, Henry dies as well. Katherine acts as regent for her young grandson, King William III.​

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Amazing tree! Btw Ferdinand would also be VI for castile.

Suggestion: Edmure tudor is the only of the tudor boys to survive and marries elanor of austria

 

[Nova_Philomena]

Prompt: Sebastian I of Portugal marries Margaret of Valois.

Sebastian I of Portugal (b. 1554 d. 1578) [1] m. Margaret of Valois (b. 1553 d. 1615)

1. Sebastian II of Portugal (b. 1573 d. 1619) m. Maria of Spain (b. 1580 d. 1625) [2]
2. Catherine of Portugal (b. 1575 d. 1615) m. Philip III of Spain (b. 1578 d. 1621)
3. Joanna of Portugal (b. 1576 d. 1600) [3]

[1] Still dies in the same manner, I love the legend surrounding his death too much to change it.
[2] A surviving version of Philip II of Spain and Anna of Austria's daughter Maria.
[3] Deemed unfit to marry due to bad health and remained in Portugal for her entire life.

 

[Dragonboy]

Prompt: Sebastian I of Portugal marries Margaret of Valois.

Sebastian I of Portugal (b. 1554 d. 1578) [1] m. Margaret of Valois (b. 1553 d. 1615)

1. Sebastian II of Portugal (b. 1573 d. 1619) m. Maria of Spain (b. 1580 d. 1625) [2]
2. Catherine of Portugal (b. 1575 d. 1615) m. Philip III of Spain (b. 1578 d. 1621)
3. Joanna of Portugal (b. 1576 d. 1600) [3]

[1] Still dies in the same manner, I love the legend surrounding his death too much to change it.
[2] A surviving version of Philip II of Spain and Anna of Austria's daughter Maria.
[3] Deemed unfit to marry due to bad health and remained in Portugal for her entire life.

At least spain will be sparred the mess that was the portuguese war for independence.

Idea: What if Mary, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of aragon, had a healthy male twin (suggestion edmund for a name)

 

[Nova_Philomena]

At least spain will be sparred the mess that was the portuguese war for independence.

Idea: What if Mary, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of aragon, had a healthy male twin (suggestion edmund for a name)

on it, though Edward would be more likely, I'll use Edmund for this scenario

 

[Nova_Philomena]

At least spain will be sparred the mess that was the portuguese war for independence.

Idea: What if Mary, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of aragon, had a healthy male twin (suggestion edmund for a name)

Henry VIII of England (b. 1491 d. 1550) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485 d. 1542) and Maria of Portugal (b. 1521 d. 1583) [1]

1. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1510 d. 1510)
2. Henry Tudor, Duke of Cornwall (b. 1511 d. 1511)
3. Stillborn Son (b. 1513 d. 1513)
4. Stillborn Son (b. 1514)
5. Princess Mary of England (b. 1516 d. 1582) m. Francis II of France (b. 1518 d. 1571) [2]
6. Edmund I of England (b. 1516 d. 1582) m. Charlotte of Valois (b. 1516 d. 1581) [3]
7. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1518)
8. Edward Tudor, Duke of York [4] (b. 1543 d. 1605) m. Helena of Austria [5]
9. Stillborn Son (b. 1546)

[1] More willing to marry, and sadly Catherine still dies, though she dies as a Queen, and Henry deeply mourns her. Maria isn't Duchess of Viseu here though.
[2] Becomes King of France.
[3] Doesn't die young.
[4] Only surviving child of Henry and Maria.
[5] More Healthy.

 

[Dragonboy]

Henry VIII of England (b. 1491 d. 1550) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485 d. 1542) and Maria of Portugal (b. 1521 d. 1583) [1]

1. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1510 d. 1510)
2. Henry Tudor, Duke of Cornwall (b. 1511 d. 1511)
3. Stillborn Son (b. 1513 d. 1513)
4. Stillborn Son (b. 1514)
5. Princess Mary of England (b. 1516 d. 1582) m. Francis II of France (b. 1518 d. 1571) [2]
6. Edmund I of England (b. 1516 d. 1582) m. Charlotte of Valois (b. 1516 d. 1581) [3]
7. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1518)
8. Edward Tudor, Duke of York [4] (b. 1543 d. 1605) m. Helena of Austria [5]
9. Stillborn Son (b. 1546)

[1] More willing to marry, and sadly Catherine still dies, though she dies as a Queen, and Henry deeply mourns her. Maria isn't Duchess of Viseu here though.
[2] Becomes King of France.
[3] Doesn't die young.
[4] Only surviving child of Henry and Maria.
[5] More Healthy.

sweet!

idea for the habsburgs: Leopold joseph, son of HRE joseph i survives to succeed his father. with his line secure charles is able to be the heir of spain, with his own son lepold johan also survives under the spanish name juan

 

[Nova_Philomena]

sweet!

idea for the habsburgs: Leopold joseph, son of HRE joseph i survives to succeed his father. with his line secure charles is able to be the heir of spain, with his own son lepold johan also survives under the spanish name juan

Maria Josepha and Maria Amalia's brother?

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Edward Tudor, Duke of York [4] (b. 1543 d. 1605) m. Helena of Austria [5]

Did Edmund and Charlotte die childless so Edward became king? No way is a Duke of York getting an archduchess

 

[Nova_Philomena]

Did Edmund and Charlotte die childless so Edward became king? No way is a Duke of York getting an archduchess

It's not very baffling, Helena is lower-rank (Not a daughter of Charles and Isabella, and not a first daughter of her parents)

 

[Dragonboy]

Maria Josepha and Maria Amalia's brother?

yep

 

[Nova_Philomena]

yep

on it

 

[ordinarylittleme]

It's not very baffling, Helena is lower-rank (Not a daughter of Charles and Isabella, and not a first daughter of her parents)

She's still not going to be married to a second son without patrimony — it's not like she's heiress of anything — and Ferdinand I would probably rather stick her in a nunnery, like he actually did OTL

 

[Nova_Philomena]

yep

wait, so Leo gets both Spain and HRE? Or he secures Juan's succession instead?

 

[Nova_Philomena]

She's still not going to be married to a second son without patrimony — it's not like she's heiress of anything — and Ferdinand I would probably rather stick her in a nunnery, like he actually did OTL

Not really, it was mainly because she was sickly. He was against Magdalena doing it for a while. She is one of the later children, and since Joanna is still definitely marrying in Tuscany, Helena doesn't have much options compared to her older sisters.

 

[Dragonboy]

wait, so Leo gets both Spain and HRE? Or he secures Juan's succession instead?

Nope, Leo beign alive means that joseph's brother charles is able to be carlos succesor.

And i can titally see maria theresa still marrying francis.

 

[Nova_Philomena]

Nope, Leo beign alive means that joseph's brother charles is able to be carlos succesor.

And i can titally see maria theresa still marrying francis.

okay I understand now, I'll do a Leopold tree.

 

[Nova_Philomena]

Nope, Leo beign alive means that joseph's brother charles is able to be carlos succesor.

And i can titally see maria theresa still marrying francis.

Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1700 d. 1754) m. Marie Louise of France (b. 1704) [1]

1. Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria (b. 1720 d. 1721)
2. Leopold III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1721 d. 1769) m. (Suggestions Needed) [2]
3. Archduchess Maria Ludovica of Austria (b. 1723 d. 1786) m. (Suggestions Neeeded)
4. Archduke Wenzel Charles of Austria (b. 1723 d. 1740)

[1] To prevent Philippe de Bourbon-Anjou from claiming Spain, and basically telling France 'Chill we'll marry your granddaughter in exchange for not starting a war' Also Genderbent Version of Louis, Duke of Brittany.

[2] Don't know whether to engage him to a Princess of Lorraine or not, he has numerous options though, I need help.